A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« on: June 24, 2018, 02:34:13 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
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totallackey

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2018, 02:18:28 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

Rama Set

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2018, 03:22:27 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.

totallackey

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2018, 11:41:23 AM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2018, 01:37:54 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

A few seconds googling flight QF63 gives us this amongst others
 

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2018, 05:44:11 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

A few seconds googling flight QF63 gives us this amongst others

Very cool video showing the ice near Antarctica.

For reference, here is a nice site that plots flight plans on both a flat earth map and on a globe. 

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Creating+Flight+Plans+for+Flat+Earth

Try plotting a flight from Sydney to Johannesburg.

On the flat earth the flight is 14,590 standard miles, if the flight took the shortest path it would leave Sydney to the northwest to the west of Brisbane, and much of Queensland, then would fly over the south China sea and Papua New Guinea, it would then fly over mainland Asia, mostly China, then Saudi Arabia and fly over the eastern African countries.  This flight would take just under 27 hours for a regular commercial airplane assuming 540 standard miles per hour and no head or tail wind.

Note that the shortest flat earth path would be over land the majority of the time.  To fly a flat earth flight path almost completely over water would have to significantly adjust the path adding a lot of distance and time to the flight.


On the globe the flight is 6,860 standard miles, if the flight took the shortest path it would leave Sydney to the south west crossing the south east portion of Australia, north of Melborne.  The flight would be over water the rest of the flight until nearing South Africa from the East.  Passing nearest the coast of Antarctica roughly in the middle of the flight.  This flight would take just under 13 hours for a regular commercial airplane assuming 540 standard miles per hour and no head or tail wind.

Note that the shortest globe flight path would not take the flight over Antarctica's land mass.  It would bring it near enough that if there were ice floating on the water some distance away from the land mass you would seen it.

Now, this site just plots out shortest routes, it does not show the routes planes actually take, they have more detailed methods to plan their flights.  It's useful to compare how a flight would be different on the different earth models.

totallackey, or others, now that we have an outline of what a flight would look like on each model, what would be an acceptable way to verify the flight path of a commercial flight?


I love this site, it's a fantastic collection of evidence of a spherical earth:
Flight times
Full moon
Horizon eye level drops
Sinking ship effect

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2018, 06:54:09 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

What about the charter flights that go to Antarctica?   Are those fake?
Do you have a citation for this sweeping generalisation?

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2018, 12:03:37 AM »
Apparently solar powered planes can go at Mach 3 on a flat earth so just imagine how fast and how far they can go on hydrocarbon! ;)
Quote from: Round Eyes
Long range, high altitude, potentially solar powered airplanes [...] If the planes are travelling approx 15 miles about earth, that works out to around 2,200 mph, or Mach 3

totallackey

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2018, 10:20:41 AM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

A few seconds googling flight QF63 gives us this amongst others
 
A few seconds of googling provides you a tremendous pile of rubbish as no commercial flights are legally able to fly over Antarctic airspace according to treaty.

totallackey

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2018, 10:24:37 AM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

A few seconds googling flight QF63 gives us this amongst others

Very cool video showing the ice near Antarctica.

For reference, here is a nice site that plots flight plans on both a flat earth map and on a globe. 

http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Creating+Flight+Plans+for+Flat+Earth

Try plotting a flight from Sydney to Johannesburg.

On the flat earth the flight is 14,590 standard miles, if the flight took the shortest path it would leave Sydney to the northwest to the west of Brisbane, and much of Queensland, then would fly over the south China sea and Papua New Guinea, it would then fly over mainland Asia, mostly China, then Saudi Arabia and fly over the eastern African countries.  This flight would take just under 27 hours for a regular commercial airplane assuming 540 standard miles per hour and no head or tail wind.

Note that the shortest flat earth path would be over land the majority of the time.  To fly a flat earth flight path almost completely over water would have to significantly adjust the path adding a lot of distance and time to the flight.


On the globe the flight is 6,860 standard miles, if the flight took the shortest path it would leave Sydney to the south west crossing the south east portion of Australia, north of Melborne.  The flight would be over water the rest of the flight until nearing South Africa from the East.  Passing nearest the coast of Antarctica roughly in the middle of the flight.  This flight would take just under 13 hours for a regular commercial airplane assuming 540 standard miles per hour and no head or tail wind.

Note that the shortest globe flight path would not take the flight over Antarctica's land mass.  It would bring it near enough that if there were ice floating on the water some distance away from the land mass you would seen it.

Now, this site just plots out shortest routes, it does not show the routes planes actually take, they have more detailed methods to plan their flights.  It's useful to compare how a flight would be different on the different earth models.

totallackey, or others, now that we have an outline of what a flight would look like on each model, what would be an acceptable way to verify the flight path of a commercial flight?
You cannot verify the path of flights in the Southern Hemiplane.

That is why flights like MH370 go missing.

Again, no commercial airline flight travels anywhere near the supposed Antarctic continent.

Pretty pictures of icebergs are a dime a dozen but prove nothing except icebergs do exist.

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2018, 10:43:07 AM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.

They don't fly over it, but there are plenty of flights that bring you within visual range of Antarctica.
Once again, providing an outright lie to the reading audience.

You cannot provide one single verified flight path of any commercial flight approaching the Antarctic coastline enough to bring it into visual distance.

A few seconds googling flight QF63 gives us this amongst others
 
A few seconds of googling provides you a tremendous pile of rubbish as no commercial flights are legally able to fly over Antarctic airspace according to treaty.

There's actually a few reasons why flights don't fly directly over Antarctica and it's not to do with treaties. Firstly ETOPS rules state twin engine planes have to be within a distance of land (Antarctica doesn't count for this). This doesn't apply to four engine planes but this limits your options if you run an airline.

Secondly for those planes that can fly below 72 degrees have to have specialised survival equipment which takes up precious space on planes.

But wait I hear you say, you've proved my point, if they can't fly there how are there photos and videos? Well flight QF63 depending on weather conditions will fly as far south as the 71st parallel which gives them good views of the iceflows, of which this video is one example.

There are also non commercial tourism flights that will take you over Antarctica, if you have a few grand spare. You can also contact people have been on the flight via here and hereif you so wish.

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Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2018, 06:47:49 PM »
You cannot verify the path of flights in the Southern Hemiplane.

That is why flights like MH370 go missing.

This statement is without supporting evidence.  On the contrary, there are several ways to verify paths of commercial flights in the southern hemisphere.

Here are a few that can be used to track the previously mentioned flight.
https://planefinder.net/data/flight/QF63
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA63
https://www.radarbox24.com/data/flights/QF63




Again, no commercial airline flight travels anywhere near the supposed Antarctic continent.

Pretty pictures of icebergs are a dime a dozen but prove nothing except icebergs do exist.

These pictures are a dime a dozen because it happens so frequently.  All six of these flights go near Antarctica, each flight happens multiple times a week:
QF63 SYD - JNB
QF64 JNB - SYD
SA222 JNB - GRU
SA223 GRU - JNB
QF27 SYD - SCL
QF28 SCL - SYD

You cannot just say "doesn't happen".  You need to offer some meaningful explanation to support your claim.  These flights do exist, you can book them.  People take them.  You can go to the airport and watch people get on the plane.

There are 4 chartered commercial flights to Antarctica a year from this company:
http://www.antarcticaflights.com.au/


I have presented two different flight paths for the same flight that verifiably happens 6 days a week.  Thousands of people a year take this flight.  What path do you propose it takes?
I love this site, it's a fantastic collection of evidence of a spherical earth:
Flight times
Full moon
Horizon eye level drops
Sinking ship effect

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2018, 07:01:44 PM »
On your page The Ice Wall you say that Sir Ross circumnavigated the Antarctic Coastline, but how would he not know the difference between a convex and a concave coastline? Even if you assume all the explorers after him who traversed Antarctica are lying, cartographers can tell which way a coastline curves. Even if you ironically say that the edge of the world is so round the curve isn't noticeable, you can still tell by straight line movement. A convex shore would cause the island to slowly slip away. A concave one would cause you to crash into the shore as it wraps around to meet you.

We know that Antarctica is an island, how can you so confidently say its a wall that wraps around a flat earth? This would be so easy for you to prove if it were true. Hop in a plane and circumnavigate the coast.
Even commercial flights do not impede upon the Antarctic coast.

This thread is a zero with a capital Z.


My thread seems to be hijacked to derail it. I'm not saying a single plane has flown over it. But this very website says that we have circumnavigated Antarctica. Modern cartographers put the antarctic circle at 11,000 miles around, however flat earth theory says the antarctic circle is 90,500 miles long.

and neither of these things address straight line water navigation. If you pick a direction just off the antarctic coast and move in that direction you would eventually hit the wall according to flat earth theory. This would be supremely easy to prove. You attack my ideas rather than taking the simple steps of taking flat earth theory, and making it flat earth fact. Just charter a plane or a boat and travel along the coast line.

Re: A question about Sir James Clark Ross and the Ice Wall
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2018, 07:07:21 PM »
Flying along the coastline of Antarctica would be able to prove flat earth theory right or wrong pretty quickly. Is it 11,000 miles or is it 90,000 miles? That's a pretty big difference.

I wouldn't mind hearing the thoughts from some of the big wigs on this site who have plenty of time to post to other questions but not mine. All I got was 1 FE guy who didn't read my post and dismissed it out of hand based on things I never actually wrote. It's not a good look if you want someone like that speaking for you.
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