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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 22, 2017, 12:34:44 AM »
I just appreciate how happy and at peace you could be from knowing that this event occurred. I envy you.

Thanks again DA
I'm the last person you should be envious of though.

You seem to be suggesting that ignorance is bliss for Christians, this isn't true.
There's plenty of fears and sorrows in this life, I just yelled at one of my workmates and had to apologise.
I'm not that nice a guy, I can be a pretty rude stubborn bastard actually, (not that peaceful)

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/if-you-don-t-hate-your-father-you-cannot-be-my-disciple

Thanks anyway for all the nice complements. :)



 


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 21, 2017, 09:03:54 PM »
For Noah to travel to every nation on earth and collect a breeding pair of each animal, transport them all back to the arc, along with enough food to sustain them must have taken years!

There are Deluge (ARK) mythologies in many ancient cultures.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

Same thing with a domed flat earth, also in ancient cultures.

As for the Ark, God called the animals so no need to collect them, as for insects, everything that has the breath of life was destroyed so I'm guessing insects and fish don't count. I could go more into this but I think I'll stop now.
You won't convince a Christian who believes in YEC with those arguments because they have answers for them.

In some sense faith in God can seem irrational because no one can know everything.

But its way more irrational to believe that everything came from nothing. And scientists who deny God's existence are not trusting in empirical science because the Creation ""SCREAMS"" that God exists and they simply choose to ignore all evidence and believe a lie.
 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 21, 2017, 03:53:16 AM »
Do you mind if I ask you if you believe in the literal truth of the bible

Yes I do,

And that's why I believe the earth is flat, but I just said that didn't I.

I have a better example, I was thinking of the Dylan Thomas forward to selected poems.
This is my answer to taking the bible at face value.

QUOTE:
I read somewhere of a shepherd who, when asked why he made, from within fairy rings, ritual observances to the moon to protect his flocks, replied: “I’d be a damn’ fool if I didn’t!”

Anyway, I was looking for this quote (I've always loved this quote)
and I came across this great article so if anyone's interested here it is.

https://perspectivesjournal.org/blog/2008/11/15/dylan-thomas-getting-one-big-thing-right/

Sorry for gabbing on...



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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 21, 2017, 03:47:07 AM »
The Bible is true because the Bible says the Bible is true.

True.

Christians believe the bible, and that's also why I'm a flat earther, because the bible is a flat earth book.
The bible is undoubtedly geocentric and FET is the best cosmology for geocentricism.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 20, 2017, 04:50:44 PM »
You both literally just used bible quotes to prove bible quotes are valid....
Do you not see how foolish that is? 

You're right Dave, and God even admits it.

For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 1 Cor 1:21


 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: No Religion= Peace
« on: September 20, 2017, 10:43:26 AM »
The bible and other religious texts are the real issue here.
Passages can be cherry picked to justify any position.

Really interested to hear your views

Hi again D.A.  :)

The Bible is pretty clear on what God's requirements for salvation are.

Don't forget that Jesus is the word of God made flesh, and when Jesus was here on earth He often referred to the fact that He was fulfilling all things that were written of Him, (where were they written?) also, when Christ was tempted by the devil He simply repeated Bible verses (It is written) Now Jesus is our example and has promised that Heaven and earth will pass away but His word will not pass away, so the bible is pretty darn important to Christians as we are to follow Christ and not our own subjective sense of what God is or should be.


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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flat Earth and God
« on: September 20, 2017, 12:38:50 AM »
Flat earth does need a "myth" to lean on.

No it doesn't, you have purposely misrepresented my statement.
There are flat earthers who are Athiests as well, you can hold any position you like.

A worldview doesn't have to make sense, take Evolution for example,
And the Big Bang??? Nothing creating something??? Sorry but that doesn't work either.
We are not omniscient so everything we conceive will have an element of faith to it.
And the position a person holds may send them down different roads.

But some dont worry about the roads and can live with the paradox.


 



 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flat Earth and God
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:46:30 PM »
Does a person have to believe in God in order to believe that the Earth is flat?

No, but some Atheists have become Agnostics after making the switch.

In other words FET lends itself to a Creator myth, and it can magnify your religious convictions.
You bring whatever you have to the table, and if you have nothing, you'll probably look for something.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Verses about "sky dome" in quran
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:37:29 PM »
By the sky which returns

I miss Inky  :'(

There are stronger cases for the sky dome in more ancient literature.
 

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:24:40 PM »
Man there's some good movies out at the moment.
IT was fantastic, Toms new one looks great (American Made)

I remember in the seventies my mother returning from seeing "The Exorcist"   
We were only young, but she had nightmares for weeks afterwards.
She liked horror movies too, but that one nailed her.

So has anyone caught "Mother" yet? 

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Just Watched
« on: September 19, 2017, 08:07:15 AM »
I was blown away. He played it perfectly.

I'm guessing Pennywise will be even better in chapter 2 now the plots established.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 18, 2017, 07:53:44 PM »
What is there to gain by deceiving the population into thinking the world is a globe?
Is it to pull us farther away from God?

Basically, according to the religious folks on here and myself, Yes it is.
The governments of the world will eventually become Babylon the great.
Once the whole world is united under a NWO.

Again, this may not be the majority view on this site,

(I apologise for derailing the thread, I had the weekend off and went into babble mode)


 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 17, 2017, 09:48:47 PM »
Not trying to play the martyrs card but...

There is a very real possibility that acknowledging FET will have you removed from your church.
This is especially true if you are a Minister or leader of some kind. (I lasted one week)
If you are in an independant church you are better off, Rob Skiba is a Pentecostal.
Interestingly, its also sweeping through the Messanic movement.

I know this question was not directed at me but everyone knows I am a flat earther.
I don't hide it, but then why would I. There's no persecution in the workplace anyway.
I haven't told the new church I'm attending yet. I don't think they would care too much.
No use sharing something with the members that will bring division and then leaving.

I want to attend a church with at least one other person who believes this.
This means most conservative and reformed churches are off the table.
So I'm on a church search, still haven't met a flat earther let alone a Christian one.
A work college told me on friday that her neighbor has just become a FEer,
So it is happening, and eventually, over time, I'll find a home for myself. 
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 17, 2017, 12:09:18 PM »
What is there to gain by deceiving the population into thinking the world is a globe?

This question gets asked here almost every week.

You could go back and look at the many threads with some of the different ideas.
But I think Macbeth says it best "Power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely"

People are weened into the conspiracy at high levels and the underlings don't need to know.
It wouldn't even surprise me if most Presidents and Prime Ministers were kept in the dark.
That's not in their job description, they exist to fulfil the agenda of the party they represent.
The real money is with the corporations and the bankers, they have the means to accomplish their will.



 

 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 17, 2017, 11:41:34 AM »
I genuinely think you do religion a disservice by looking like weirdos.

I often feel I am doing religion and God a disservice.
This is a difficult time for me, I have no FE Christians to fellowship with.
The future is looking pretty good for FET though, sides are being drawn.

There are plenty of ordinary people who are willing to stand up and question the narrative.
But what will happen when persecution comes, thats when knowing God is a big advantage.
Who would bother dying for a difference in cosmology, why not just lie and live.
 
And whats the point of dying for an Atheistic Belief, so other Atheists can believe in nothing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:24:21 PM »
Thanks J-Man :)

Theologically speaking I am coming from a Reformed Orthodox position.
We would probably disagree on many many things but not on Flat Earth.
I enjoy reading your posts, they make me laugh, they probably offend everyone else.
Before you say it, yes the Gospel is offensive, so no complaints from me here.

I would like to see you and bodidley go head to head but he has disappeared.
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to the idea, one simple question. WHY
« on: September 16, 2017, 10:46:53 PM »
You either believe the word of God the creator or you don't

NAILED IT.

But this forum does not subscribe to a religious conviction and J-Man is proselytizing his answers.
J-Man and I are obviously coming from a Christian perspective and this is not reflected in the wiki.
There are also round earth Christians on here who would disagree strongly with us.

Where has Bodiddley gone?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Alt Flat Earth
« on: September 16, 2017, 10:04:54 PM »
Another way this cosmology could work would be an Edison Cylinder type arrangement.

Tube Earthers may have already been hypothesised, or you could have stumbled on to a new version.
Either way, for a laugh, look up "The F Word" by  "THEVICTROLAGUY"  by way of example.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Alt Flat Earth
« on: September 16, 2017, 12:00:09 PM »
An infinite reel may explain some things like the Mandela Effect.

I'm in the "Dolly had braces" camp, but that's about it for me apart from those bears which just seems weird. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Alt Flat Earth
« on: September 16, 2017, 11:53:46 AM »
Btw please correct the typo in you signature

Damn, never noticed that, thanks :)

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