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Flat Earth Theory / International space station discovered
« on: June 06, 2020, 06:44:02 PM »
I'd like to know what the flat earth theories are to explain being able to take a picture of the international space station?  If you have a decent enough camera, you can capture this too. 

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Science & Alternative Science / Proof that anyone can do at home
« on: March 01, 2020, 07:39:28 PM »
As you may have heard, SpaceX is putting a lot of satellites in a now earth orbit for their starlink internet system.  Nasa wants you to help document the light pollution of the satellites using an app.  I understand that Nasa can't be trusted, let alone their app, but there is a way to test this at home without their bias.  If anyone has an old film camera, all you need to do is do a long exposure of the night's sky on a clear night and we can see what's going on once and for all.  I don't have a film camera, but if any of you do, I'd be very interested in see what unfolds!

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This is a time lapse video that holds the milky way galaxy stabilized to show the earth spinning through space.  https://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/embcqm/milky_way_stabilized_shows_the_earth_is_spinning/

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: The Coriolis effect tested
« on: April 14, 2019, 08:42:18 AM »
Wow. I had to watch without sound. Did he get a tiny effect in the big tub? That’s great!

I love this dude. He always posts such engaging content. Plus, I have never once noticed an error in the videos or his reasoning (though I have not seen them all).

Another nail in the coffin for the flat earth model.

Careful! That kind of reply will likely result in a warning.

Since you are new: argumentative comments like that are only permitted in AR or CN, at least if they are not in a reasonable context.

For example: if I had attached that comment to the end of my previous reply, then it might be allowed - since i am referencing a piece of information within that reply that is contextual. But a single sentence reply that only offers what might be insulting to someone is different.

In my experience (and I am not a mod, so take this as my subjective understanding of the rules), one can make comments that can sometimes have an edge IF they are made along with a context that directly supports the comment’s use - either as a summary, elaboration, or thesis.

Hope I’m not coming off as a dick! I was not provided detailed support from mods on exactly what was acceptable, and so have had to piece it together thru trial and error. Ya can’t blame them either - they don’t exactly have time to walk everyone through all possible linguistic scenarios. The fora rules cover much - but much is still in the gray.

Thanks for the clarification, I have since deleted my reply in concern.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Earth's Oval Orbit defies Science!
« on: April 14, 2019, 02:23:29 AM »
A system with 80% water, will and have to obey all the rules of physics and hydro/fluid dynamics

If as claimed, earth is orbiting the sun, and if the orbit was a perfect circle, my discussion would be easily discarded and maybe obsolete, or at least hard to prove

But with an Oval orbit, things change drastically, especially when the acclaimed path is about to change direction at the farthest points

Water despite of the acclaimed gravity, should and must obey the laws of physics such as inertia and momentum, so at the farthest points of the acclaimed orbit, water should drastically shift on the earth to the outer side of the orbit as the earth makes its return towards the sun. Centripetal and centrifugal forces cannot be just acting on the surface of earth, if it was a globe, but they should be workable on the orbital level, hence the shift of all fluids massiv as oceans and seas should be very noticeable same as tides are.

At the farthest points of the orbit (yellow arrows indicated in the picture) and when earth is supposedly changing its direction, why is never any shift in the water bodies on earth?

Thanks for reading

That's because everything on the earth is effected by the orbit.  Imagine this:  You throw a ball up in the air.  What does it experience at the top of its trajectory?  It feel weightless.  It actually feels weightless for its entire trajectory once it leaves your hand (when neglecting air resistance).  You can see the same thing with the Vomit Comit.  The passengers experience zero Gs once the plane begins to accelerate towards the ground (even while still on an upward trajectory). 

In the case of the sun, everything on the earth is orbiting around the sun and experience the same force of acceleration to the sun.  Therefore, no differentials in acceleration are felt.

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Science & Alternative Science / Re: Anti-Vaxxers
« on: April 14, 2019, 02:11:12 AM »
Vaccines aren't actually that profitable...because the fact they are required to be at a cost that nearly everyone can get them, pediatricians and doctors often loose money on vaccination administration.
You're assuming that doctors charge insurance companies the same price as they would charge someone uninsured.  That is not a valid assumption.

Vaccines are nearly free for people with insurance...so no, they don't make a lot of money. You can look it up, they're really not that profitable, please read my post before you respond.
Doctors often charge significantly more to insurance companies than to uninsured patients for the same service.

That's a problem with the health care system, not with vaccines.  #Bernie2020

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Wow, this conspiracy of mine will need to grow to become psychologically dysfunctional in its assumptions and scope.

Damn...what might motivate me to pursue this?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

I am being sarcastic.

So, what do you think about the points I made about spacex funding and satellites? 

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Wow, this conspiracy of mine will need to grow to become psychologically dysfunctional in its assumptions and scope.

Damn...what might motivate me to pursue this?

I'm not sure what you're saying.

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Perhaps you have seen the article 200 proofs that the Earth is not a globe. Google it and give it a read.

What you could do is start posts where you address each one.

This is the article that probably most FEers would point to as being convincing. Hence, if you addressed its claims you might start some robust discussion.

I’d certainly play devils advocate for ya.

BTW, don’t feel bad. I’m a scientist too, and get the same response. When an expert shows up here, the confidence and bravado that is normally present in FE debates seems to hide for some reason.

Of course, I can be kind of a dick, which doesn’t help really :)


200 would simply be too much for me to address, I don't have time for that.   And frankly, I'm thinking that if I were to, I wouldn't really have much of an impact on anyone.  Although, if there are any that stick out to you as particularly convincing, I'd be happy to address those.  And as ChrisTP points out, there is someone who already made a pretty big dent in the 200 "proofs." 

Spacex launced a falcon heavy to space earlier today by the way.  My question to you is why would Arabsat (Arab telecommunication company) pay SpaceX 90-150 million dollars to launch their satellite into space if this is all a conspiracy and satellites don't exist?  If the launch was all for show, that would be such a waste of money and most certainly would not be in their interest to do so.


Well, arabsat supposedly paid that much. Did you actually see the money exchange hands? We don’t necessarily know exactly what their interests are. If they’re willing to stage rocket launches, and participate in lying to the public, perhaps their interests are not so transparent.

Indeed, considering all of NASA, including all its employees, which must include the families of these employees, and the related agencies in the government, all those employees and their families, are involved in the biggest conspiracy of all time, it is not difficult to imagine that arabsat is involved too.


In the case of large projects like funding a rocket launch, money doesn't literally change hands in the form of cash, it's usually wired.  Lets assume that they didn't pay or paid spacex a substantially reduced amount.  Why would spacex, a private for profit company, dump millions of dollars into launching a rocket into space?  Moreover, why would dozens of venture capitalists dump millions of dollars into funding a company that is just for show.  They're explicit interest it so make money.  Why would Jeff Bezos, one of the most successful people of the century, privately fund his own space company?  Its because the commercial space industry has the potential to make trillions! 

On the subject of conspiracy and lying to the public, why hasn't a NASA employee leaked the truth if the earth is truly flat?  Everyone who works at NASA goes in strongly believing the earth is a sphere.  I know this because that's what they teach in the universities across the nation.  Imagine how disillusioned they would be when they find out the "truth."  There would surely be a whistle blower and it would be all over the news.  You may say that the news would cover it up, but to that I would ask why they didn't cover up Snowden's whistle blowing?

More on satellites: here's a guy who takes professional photographs of satellites.  This is also something you can do yourself with the proper equipment and conditions.

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Perhaps you have seen the article 200 proofs that the Earth is not a globe. Google it and give it a read.

What you could do is start posts where you address each one.

This is the article that probably most FEers would point to as being convincing. Hence, if you addressed its claims you might start some robust discussion.

I’d certainly play devils advocate for ya.

BTW, don’t feel bad. I’m a scientist too, and get the same response. When an expert shows up here, the confidence and bravado that is normally present in FE debates seems to hide for some reason.

Of course, I can be kind of a dick, which doesn’t help really :)


200 would simply be too much for me to address, I don't have time for that.   And frankly, I'm thinking that if I were to, I wouldn't really have much of an impact on anyone.  Although, if there are any that stick out to you as particularly convincing, I'd be happy to address those.  And as ChrisTP points out, there is someone who already made a pretty big dent in the 200 "proofs." 

Spacex launced a falcon heavy to space earlier today by the way.  My question to you is why would Arabsat (Arab telecommunication company) pay SpaceX 90-150 million dollars to launch their satellite into space if this is all a conspiracy and satellites don't exist?  If the launch was all for show, that would be such a waste of money and most certainly would not be in their interest to do so.

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Science & Alternative Science / The Coriolis effect tested
« on: April 11, 2019, 12:03:18 PM »

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I'm a bit disappointed that there hasn't been much activity on this forum.  I've heard that most flat earthers initially tried to debunk flat earth, but were unable to.  Well, this is your chance to ask a scientist about anything science and globe earth related.  I'm somewhat passionate about this and would love to engage with the flat earth community here and/or one-on-one.  Hit me up.

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They are releasing data to the public for gravity research.  I'm very interested to see what we're able to come up with!

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Oh...you seems to come here to prove something....But all of us(who joined)know the basis of the world(just like you). We don’t need any way to solve any problems. “Flat earth”just like a religion(I think) ,we came here to doubt NASA, we came here to doubt modern science, we came here to doubt the whole world!
We are not idiots! :) :)

I am chinese(live in south Korea). English is not very well,sorry. :)

No problem, thank you for your time to contribute to the discussion.  My main objective is to clear up misunderstandings of science that I commonly hear as evidence to support a flat earth.  If you're going to use bits of science as evidence, it would be best to make sure that it's sound evidence.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

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I see. So computers can achieve numerical solutions, and we can use those solutions to make predictions about orbits, etc.

Does the fact that we cannot find an analytical solution mean in any that the theory must somehow be wrong?

I mean, shouldn’t a correct theory have an analytical solution?


First of all, fact that there isn't a known analytical solution for the three body problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.  It just means that its currently not known.  For example, the relationship of energy and mass (E=mc2) wasn't known before Einstein, but that relationship still existed before its discovery.  If, however, there were a solid mathematical proof that shows it doesn't exist, then that would be a different story.  Secondly, if an analytical solution doesn't exist, it would just be a matter of math, and the bodies would still exist in three-space; their motion is determined by their initial velocity and forces acting on them.  This is explained by Newton's laws 1-3.

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Greetings fellow flat earthers!  I have a fairly strong background in science and I would like to provide an opportunity to for people to ask me questions in regards to main stream science that they don't understand or is in conflict with how they view the world.  It is my goal to be as respectful to people as possible and to help people understand scientific principals.  My area of expertise is in general chemistry and physics, so that will likely be the approach I take in offering explanations.  I will make every effort to be clear and accurate in what I say and I'll let you know if I don't feel confident in my understanding in a particular topic so I don't lead people astray.  But for the most part, I should be able to provide a response for most of the topics I heard flat earthers discuss in videos on youtube.  Alright Flat Earth Society, Ask Me Anything!  :)

Hi! I’ve got one for you:

It is well known that the three body problem in central force Newtonian dynamics has no analytical solution. How is it that round earthers can claim to understand orbits in our solar system, and claim to have visited the moon using that knowledge when no analytic solution exists? The solar system has 9 bodies, which does not include all the moons. How can we know 9 when we don’t even have 3?

Asking for a friend.


So, as it appears to me, it looks like it's a matter concerning method of calculation.  An analytical solution is one that explicitly denotes the solution.  For example, the analytical solution of the integral of x2 is x3/3+c.  This can also be solved numerically using Riemann Sums within a given degree of accuracy (depending on the step size).  So the fact that an analytical solution doesn't exist for a 3 body problem doesn't mean that other solutions don't exist for the three body system.  Computers are used to make the necessary calculations to predict the paths of astral bodies.  You can read up on the differences of analytical and numerical solutions here.

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Science & Alternative Science / I'm a Globe Earther, Ask Me Anything!
« on: April 06, 2019, 11:01:49 PM »
Greetings fellow flat earthers!  I have a fairly strong background in science and I would like to provide an opportunity to for people to ask me questions in regards to main stream science that they don't understand or is in conflict with how they view the world.  It is my goal to be as respectful to people as possible and to help people understand scientific principals.  My area of expertise is in general chemistry and physics, so that will likely be the approach I take in offering explanations.  I will make every effort to be clear and accurate in what I say and I'll let you know if I don't feel confident in my understanding in a particular topic so I don't lead people astray.  But for the most part, I should be able to provide a response for most of the topics I heard flat earthers discuss in videos on youtube.  Alright Flat Earth Society, Ask Me Anything!  :)

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