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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is an experimental result that would convince you the Earth is a globe?

« on: November 02, 2017, 04:19:06 PM »

A question first.....at which point do we escape the spin? I would guess a particular height, once we are out of the spin I assume we can see the whole earth rotate under us in 24 hours. If we go up and it doesn't then the earth is not following the model which was described in school

It makes little sense to travel by plane over the spinning ball, why not just go up wait there for how ever long then come back down when the rotation has completed, would make more sense to have waiting platforms in the region where the spin is not present. we could be catapulted upto the platform to wait the required spin time then jump down.

Maybe ive missed something but it makes little sense to fly 22 hours from the uk to Australia when the earth can spin you there in 12. hmm

Hope you're a troll and this isn't serious...

You are traveling at the same speed as the Earth. If you're in a plane and jump in the aisle, does the plane move ahead without you??

Not a regular forum guy, to me a troll is that thing in cartoons with the club that lives under the bridge trying to scare kids nope im just a regular guy trying to make sense of all this, again apologizes if my science level is too low and I make mistakes, just trying to wrap my head around this so here goes again,

if I were to take a rocket up at the point I left the ground I should start decelerating slightly, in the air on the way up I will still be dragged along (as the air is being dragged) however I should slow slightly, my question is when you get to the magic height when your neither in the air / atmosphere you are floating in space traveling still at some speed with the spin because you didnt slow completly, so we could use some kind of jet to slow yourself from the spin you could watch the earth rotate under is that right?

If your on something traveling at 1000mph with no wind Shields you feel the wind, why on the earth can we travel at 1000 and not feel this wind, we can travel at the pole and the winds the same, does the equator have a windshield, im not taking the piss im actually trying to understand it

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity at the equator / pole

« on: November 02, 2017, 04:04:08 PM »

Thanks for the information much appreciated, it still seems odd there would be so little difference in gravity at the two locations given the apparent difference in position on the ball to me. The weight difference just doesn't make sense to me, given the size of the globe and with the curvature while doing 1000mph you would still feel allot different to a person not navigating the curve at 1000mph and dropping 8 inches per mile (squared)

Equator = 1000mph
Pole = 0mhp

If not the gravity surely we would feel disorientated by the difference in speed, also wind speed must be much higher at the equator.

It really makes no sense that our biological bodies would not be able to sense any of this. when you jump in a swimming pool or sit on a train you feel the weight shift its something our bodies have built in to detect.

Its off topic to my above point but I have been trying to find the gas which sits directly between space (vacuum) and the air we breath, also is there a layer of helium up there? if I release a helium balloon I assume it will float to a particular level and go no higher (the rubber around the balloon keeping it bellow the other helium gas which is not inside a balloon) so my question is if I then pop the balloon and the gas inside joins the other light gas then there must be a thin layer of this gas above us, is there a lighter gas than helium? we must have layers of air then light gas, lighter gas then something then the vacuum. Can we burn rockets through all these gases without them exploding? furthermore I thought you need air in order to burn rockets. Its very confusing

Your level of understanding explains why you might think the Earth is flat. (i.e. you're really wrong on this stuff) You need to remember that YOU are also rotating at 1000MPH. Just like sitting in a car going 70 on the highway, your body feels nothing. This is so basic. Rockets include their own oxidizer, they don't get it from the atmosphere. We could talk about stoichiometry, but I have a feeling that would be WAY over your head. Stay in school.

I never once questioned the globe model but everyday observations keeping an open mind is making it harder to accept, my science is grade B GCSE level (study in school until 16 years old) I was one of the smarter kids in class but never took it further, I instead went into computer science / programming / networking at university so apologies if I cannot comprehend the science / terminology behind all this but it does seem to me very strange that to understand we are spinning I need to be a math expert or study this stuff for years on end, should it be easier to prove believe me I would like nothing more than to go back to thinking its a ball however, my everyday observation and my intuition is telling me something (i dont know what) is wrong with the globe model.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity at the equator / pole

« on: November 02, 2017, 03:52:57 PM »

If you put your hand out of the buss it will feel different that putting your hand out of the plane, your right we cant feel it until either put our hand out to feel the wind speed or we have a reference point to check speed against. My problem is that wind speed I would assume is very similar at the pole and at the equator, how can that be if the equator is traveling 1000 times faster, the wind would also be 1000 times faster.

I am in London at the moment the sky is moving slow, I have a gut feeling the sky would look the same at the pole although the ground there is hardly moving, if I were in a plane traveling from here to the pole the ground beneath me would magically be slowing down the whole way there but the wind remain the same?

If something is moving then the wind above it gets dragged along, If we are moving at 1000mph at the equator the wind above us must be moving at similar speed for it to remain relatively slow to us, so that being said the wind must be slowing as we move to the pole, do pilots need to adjust for this? Sorry for all the questions just trying to make sense of it all.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: What is an experimental result that would convince you the Earth is a globe?

« on: November 02, 2017, 03:38:08 PM »

A question first.....at which point do we escape the spin? I would guess a particular height, once we are out of the spin I assume we can see the whole earth rotate under us in 24 hours. If we go up and it doesn't then the earth is not following the model which was described in school

It makes little sense to travel by plane over the spinning ball, why not just go up wait there for how ever long then come back down when the rotation has completed, would make more sense to have waiting platforms in the region where the spin is not present. we could be catapulted upto the platform to wait the required spin time then jump down.

Maybe ive missed something but it makes little sense to fly 22 hours from the uk to Australia when the earth can spin you there in 12. hmm  

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Gravity at the equator / pole

« on: November 02, 2017, 02:25:26 PM »

Thanks for the information much appreciated, it still seems odd there would be so little difference in gravity at the two locations given the apparent difference in position on the ball to me. The weight difference just doesn't make sense to me, given the size of the globe and with the curvature while doing 1000mph you would still feel allot different to a person not navigating the curve at 1000mph and dropping 8 inches per mile (squared)

Equator = 1000mph
Pole = 0mhp

If not the gravity surely we would feel disorientated by the difference in speed, also wind speed must be much higher at the equator.

It really makes no sense that our biological bodies would not be able to sense any of this. when you jump in a swimming pool or sit on a train you feel the weight shift its something our bodies have built in to detect.

Its off topic to my above point but I have been trying to find the gas which sits directly between space (vacuum) and the air we breath, also is there a layer of helium up there? if I release a helium balloon I assume it will float to a particular level and go no higher (the rubber around the balloon keeping it bellow the other helium gas which is not inside a balloon) so my question is if I then pop the balloon and the gas inside joins the other light gas then there must be a thin layer of this gas above us, is there a lighter gas than helium? we must have layers of air then light gas, lighter gas then something then the vacuum. Can we burn rockets through all these gases without them exploding? furthermore I thought you need air in order to burn rockets. Its very confusing

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Flat Earth Theory / Gravity at the equator / pole

« on: November 02, 2017, 11:33:50 AM »

Hello Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am a new member here, stumbled across the idea of a flat earth many years ago and put it to the back of my mind as I thought it was a bit far fetched, just 6 months ago I took another look and I have to admit, i`m hooked! the globe just doesnt work for me anymore.

Anyways so I have been thinking about the globe model, I have a question concerning the gravity at the equator (where we are spinning in excess of 1000mhp against the gravity at the pole.

Firstly correct me if I am wrong but I have it in my mind as follows, picture a tennis balls spinning, on the equator of the ball we place a pin, we place another pin at the top (pole?) when we spin the balls the pin at the equator is visually spinning with the ball covering a large distance, the other at the pole does not appear to be moving its just spinning, in fact lets use this pin at the pole to rotate the ball. now as the pin at the top is rotated fully once the pin at the equator also does a full loop, it has traveled much further.

The issue is the force of the spin would place greater g force on the pin at the equator, thus meaning gravity has less effect onit, if we spun fast enough it should leave the ball, the pin at the top would feel hardly any of this gforce and not be forced out of the ball. So with that concept in mind would it not be the same for the earth, at the equator we should feel less gravity? at the pole we should feel real heavy? there must be a two points on the ball earth where you do not spin and cover the large distance (like at the equator) but rather just turn (like the pin at the top of the ball).

Another way to picture it is if you have a tennis ball with 4 pins sticking out one at north, south, east and west, if the ball is spinning from east to west it makes sense that north and south remain still, the pins still spin but do not move if that makes sense

Maybe I have it all wrong but it makes sense in my mind can someone help me out with this, is there two points on the earth where you simply turn? like the pins in north and south, if so is the gravity any less? if the gravity isnt less why not? seems impossible to have the spin without the different gravity levels.

We were always told in school that more gravity would mean a change in size for the organism living there, I think it was the more gravity the smaller we would be, so we should see really short people at the poles? taller people at the equator?

just a thought anyways let me hear your thoughts on this, I dont think the apparent tilt of the globe makes a difference we should still have two points on the planet where we simply turn and not spin. hope I am making some sense

Cheers