First and foremost is the fact that the OP is placing limits on God and His Creation to fit the OP's personal view of what he believes it should be. The OP seems... Strike that. IS convinced that God did not then, nor does now, have the power to create the Big Bang. That God is so puny that a small little FE under a small dome is all He is capable of.
Second, the OP, is like Intikam, though more polite in that he hints, rather than getting in your face, that if you don't take the Creation Account word for word you deny God.
Third, the OP forgets that the Creation Account was told to, and written by, people with a very a limited vocabulary. They had no concept of the vastness of Creation, nor were they capable of understanding what it was God was showing them. God reduced it the understanding of the lowest common denominator.
Keeping on with the above point, all one needs do is read the Revelation of John. John was shown further events and did his best to describe them to his readers. I daresay, his descriptions are still unintelligible to the reader, though many have attempt to guess what was described.
Fourth, the OP like many others, past, present and future, have attempted to make science and God into one Being. Religion, or in the OP's case, God, is WHO did it. Science was, is, and always will be HOW it was done.
Which brings us to the the fifth point. Science is not Anti-God. Not even the Atheist Scientist is anti-God, simply because God not provable. One can observe, but there is no experiment, there is no math to prove Him. There never will be. God is about Faith.
Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see.
It is clear, science has no part in this.
One more point that needs to be understood, thoughI have doubts the OP will seek to understand.
Humans on a Blue Marble orbiting a star orbiting a galaxy orbiting billions of other galaxies are still special to God, because He STILL created us.
It is sad the OP believes he has to limit God's Creation in order see himself as worthy of God and it misses the point of the New Testament completely.
Open your eyes and LOOK at His Creation. ALL of it. AMAZING
I'm assuming I'm OP, even though a lot of that doesn't seem to correlate to my position whatsoever.
First and foremost there is no limit to the Creator. I never implied that. The implication is that evolution and the big bang are not sound logically. Another important thing worth mentioning, and has been mentioned --i forgive you for not reading all 8 or so pages of this-- is evolution excludes God, and is an alternative to Creation. Creation does NOT exclude evolution, though I'm more inclined to believe that it has not been demonstrated how a single cell can turn into a fish into an ape into a man. Another thing that evolution has absolutely no answer for is the Origin of Life. I've been accused of conflating evolution and origin of life, via stupidity and or malicious intent, repeatedly. However we know this basic tenet of existence: Life comes from other life. There is no answer for that first spark of Life within the confines of Godless modern cosmogony. There is no example of an inorganic compound becoming an INFINITELY and INFINITESIMALLY complex living being, even a single celled organism.
You seem to be a believer in Creation, but you must realize you are at odds with even an atheist scientist, who's personal agenda is to remove God from the equation. You can say he can't be anti-god but isn't that what atheism is in the first place? Agnosticism is maybe what you are referring to, someone that admits they can't prove or disprove God's existence. There is, in my opinion, an active malevolent agenda to condition people into believing life is a meaningless, fleeting, material thing. What better way then to remove God from creation, and teach people they are a lucky accident on a speck in the Universe. This is the implication. This is the accepted dogma. I'm not making this up. It is evolution vs creationism education being debated across the country, even though I went to public school in the North East and evolution was completely and totally taught as a fact.
Of course all of Creation would be precious to the Creator. I do agree with that. I don't doubt for a second that there are possibly thousands, or millions of other planets that have life on it like ours. I don't pretend to be special in that sense. I am strictly bringing to light the agenda in which the Creator is being actively removed from the Creation in society. You should be able to tell by the degradation of values and morals and even the family structure itself just how effective this agenda has been.
Perhaps, though, maybe you missed the intent of this post in the first place. I didn't come here to debate creation/evolution/big bang at all. I came here to discuss the inherent error with trying to debate the shape of the Earth within the confines of the scientific community. As you can see I've been staunchly rebuked, and even attacked personally for my belief in God-- of which I'm in the majority of humanity. To try to discuss the Earth possibly being flat in that same arena is a disaster.
I do, however, want to thank you for taking the time to weigh in on the discussion. Discourse and debate are great ways to find the truth of a situation, but not always the best way to come to understand someone. Just because one doesn't believe the same exact things as another, that doesn't make them any less worthy of having a say. If my treatment here is any indication, you can see just how judgemental and close-minded we have become as a society. America in particular was built upon the principle of giving the minority a say in how there life is ran, built upon allowing dissenting voices to be heard, not silencing them.
Of course, I must be trolling if I believed that those principles are dear to our leaders or the general public anymore.
I must apologize for taking so long to reply. I missed the notification sent to me of your response.
Yes you are OP as in Original Poster.
I am a Christian, and I try hard to understand the Bible, I drive my long time friend who is now a Pastor nuts with questions. Questions that even involve this site. Which should point out for the record, that I don't it all. And if I asked my Pastor friend, he would say the same thing.
I do question your 15% of scientist believe in God stat you mentioned in the OP. An admittedly down and dirty internet search indicates the figure ranges from 33% to 41% or more that twice your figure.
This is a personal observation, and is of course dated. But when I was in school, it was not the Science Teachers that mentioned God or religion. The teachers that went out of their way to slam religion, focusing on Christianity, were Social Studies and Humanities.
Yet in fact, religion and science are two separate studies. As I posted earlier, religion says who and science attempts show how. There is no reason for either "side" to castigate the other for their views. Science is not evil. It IS just a tool for explaining things. Religion is unprovable, it is faith in things not seen.
You see it though, as do I. Leaving the rainfly off my tent at 10 thousand feet on a clear night and watching the sky... I see God's work. Or watching the sun chase the moon in circles at 3 am in July in a camp west of Nome Alaska. FANTASTIC.
Evolution is a sticking point. But only because each side feel a silly need to prove the other wrong. Science will never find that spark of life. But at the same time they should never give up the attempt. Leaning is in the journey, not the destination. Religion should not attempt prove science wrong. Science is a faith, it is only an explanation and in my opinion, with evolution a poor one at that. Too many missing parts and far too long a timespan between them.
I am not saying evolution is Biblical. But there are some interesting parallels between the two. The Bible says life started in the sea. So does evolution. Both agree in as to what life appeared in what order.
I think the sticking point is WHO started it, not how He did it, and that means digging in our heels and not listening to what is really being explained, for BOTH sides.
The Big Bang does not belittle God. That it was some 14 billion years ago does not take anything away from God's word. What does take away God's word is our foolish need to place limits on what God did and why He did it.
The Big Bang is awesome. Black Holes, Super Novas, Comets, ALL of it, AWESOME. That we were created with stuff of stars, SUPPER AWESOME.
A limitless God. I got nothing I say to describe that.
And I appreciate that unlike another you don't call others Satanist because we believe in a globe and a vast universe. I think that if you can come to understand the different functions of religion and science, you will come to see that, the political rhetoric aside Science is not against you or me or anyone else. It is like the gun issue. Guns don't kill. PEOPLE do. Science is not anti-God, some of the PEOPLE who happen to be Scientist are.
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