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Title: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 07:33:39 PM
For a long time, Apple users have banged on about how safe Apple is and that they don't need anti-virus.

Well Apple is now a big enough target. Welcome to the internet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27588972
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Rushy on May 27, 2014, 07:38:46 PM
Thork if you think anything will change what an Apple customer thinks about Apple you have not had enough experience with cults. I am so jealous of Apple. I mean, really. If I could trick that many people into throwing money at me... it's like trolling the world.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lemon on May 27, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
Thork if you think anything will change what an Apple customer thinks about Apple you have not had enough experience with cults. I am so jealous of Apple. I mean, really. If I could trick that many people into throwing money at me... it's like trolling the world.

omg 999

And I agree. The cult of Apple is strange. Spawned from one obsessive asshole's desire to sell what could have been free.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: markjo on May 27, 2014, 08:00:08 PM
Would someone please explain why people think that demanding ransom payments via PayPal is a smart idea?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 08:14:05 PM
When paypal don't honour those payments ... yes it does seem rather strange someone with the academic ability to do this couldn't think that far ahead. They should have demanded bitcoin.

I think the cult of Apple is having a wobble though. I know dyed in the wool Apple fans who are losing patience and are seeing android and windows devices and wondering what the hell they are paying twice as much for. If the iPhone6 isn't any radical improvement over the iPhone5, I can see their share price tumbling.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 27, 2014, 08:43:35 PM
I'm trying to figure out how they did this.

From what I know of apple, sending a simple message like that across the internet is not easy.   And installing anything silently requires direct USB access to a server.

Locking it remotely is easy but a custom message?  That took skill.


Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 08:44:39 PM
I'm trying to figure out how they did this.
Are you considering a career in cyber crime?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 27, 2014, 08:50:25 PM
I'm trying to figure out how they did this.
Are you considering a career in cyber crime?
No, but I've become the unofficial apple guy.  I setup an apple MDM server (on a 6 year old laptop) and I've got to manage ipads with software costing around $218 per license.  So it benefits me to know how they do this stuff so I can (hopefully) avoid it happening to us.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 27, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proloquo2go/id308368164?mt=8

Proloquo2go

It's for kids who can't speak.  All it does is show them pictures.  They click the pictures to form sentences which are then spoken.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proloquo2go/id308368164?mt=8

Proloquo2go

It's for kids who can't speak.  All it does is show them pictures.  They click the pictures to form sentences which are then spoken.
That is fucking disgusting.

How the hell do those guys sleep at night, charging that much for an app that simple. An app for kids! I'm going to have a word with my boss. I'm sure we could bring something to market for $0.99.

$218 for that! The art is crap, the interface looks clunky. I could write that in about 5 days if I had the assets. And I'm sure they weren't very expensive either. $218! I'm appalled.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 27, 2014, 09:14:46 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proloquo2go/id308368164?mt=8 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proloquo2go/id308368164?mt=8)

Proloquo2go

It's for kids who can't speak.  All it does is show them pictures.  They click the pictures to form sentences which are then spoken.
That is fucking disgusting.

How the hell do those guys sleep at night, charging that much for an app that simple. An app for kids! I'm going to have a word with my boss. I'm sure we could bring something to market for $0.99.

$218 for that! The art is crap, the interface looks clunky. I could write that in about 5 days if I had the assets. And I'm sure they weren't very expensive either. $218! I'm appalled.
But because it's for children to speak (and it's one of the few I think) they can charge an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Parsifal on May 27, 2014, 09:16:20 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

Those are very similar prices, once you account for the exchange rate between GBP and USD.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:20:26 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

Those are very similar prices, once you account for the exchange rate between GBP and USD.
No. They aren't.

@Lord Dave. They say they have 75,000 users! That app hasn't cost $16m to develop, yet their revenue exceeds this. This makes me feel sick. I feel bad when I charge a faceless corporation £700/day for making some boring arse app about their boring arse product.
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Post by: fappenhosen on May 27, 2014, 09:38:42 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/proloquo2go/id308368164?mt=8

Proloquo2go

It's for kids who can't speak.  All it does is show them pictures.  They click the pictures to form sentences which are then spoken.
That is fucking disgusting.

How the hell do those guys sleep at night, charging that much for an app that simple. An app for kids! I'm going to have a word with my boss. I'm sure we could bring something to market for $0.99.

$218 for that! The art is crap, the interface looks clunky. I could write that in about 5 days if I had the assets. And I'm sure they weren't very expensive either. $218! I'm appalled.

I second this. You could write this app after reading 1/4 of "App Development For Dummies".
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:42:46 PM
I'm gonna ask my boss about crowd sourcing it. For $300,000 we could write something that would blow that out of the water.
For $0.99 we'd only need 30,000 users to break even.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Parsifal on May 27, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

Those are very similar prices, once you account for the exchange rate between GBP and USD.
No. They aren't.

Yes, they are, and they're both obscenely overpriced.

I'm gonna ask my boss about crowd sourcing it. For $300,000 we could write something that would blow that out of the water.
For $0.99 we'd only need 30,000 users to break even.

I think you need a new calculator.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:44:26 PM
Might I enquire what software for iPad costs £218 per license?
Even Office 360 is only $99. What the hell app is that?

Those are very similar prices, once you account for the exchange rate between GBP and USD.
No. They aren't.

Yes, they are, and they're both obscenely overpriced.
You think £218 is equivalent to $99?

Ok, will you swap me £21,800GBP for $12,000USD then? Sounds like a good deal huh?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:45:25 PM
I'm gonna ask my boss about crowd sourcing it. For $300,000 we could write something that would blow that out of the water.
For $0.99 we'd only need 30,000 users to break even.

I think you need a new calculator.
Mmmm. Ok, well $9.99. Its still a hell of an improvement over $220.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Parsifal on May 27, 2014, 09:45:37 PM
You think £218 is equivalent to $99?

Oh, my mistake. I read the currencies backwards.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Thork on May 27, 2014, 09:45:57 PM
You think £218 is equivalent to $99?

Oh, my mistake. I read the currencies backwards.
We'll call it quits :P
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 27, 2014, 10:06:41 PM
Just so everyone is on the same page:
218 USD not GBP
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: junker on May 27, 2014, 10:50:29 PM
I have yet to see any mention of an actual virus in this thread.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Rama Set on May 27, 2014, 11:07:57 PM
I know dyed in the wool Apple fans who are losing patience and are seeing android and windows devices

Lol windows devices!
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: junker on May 28, 2014, 01:43:36 AM
I know dyed in the wool Apple fans who are losing patience and are seeing android and windows devices

Lol windows devices!

What do you mean?  Windows 8(.x) is selling faster than they can produce licenses for it.  That is why there are no more users on Windows XP, a 13 year old operating system.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: markjo on May 28, 2014, 02:08:10 AM
I'm gonna ask my boss about crowd sourcing it. For $300,000 we could write something that would blow that out of the water.
For $0.99 we'd only need 30,000 users to break even.

I think you need a new calculator.
Mmmm. Ok, well $9.99. Its still a hell of an improvement over $220.
That depends on which end of the $220 you're on.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Fortuna on May 28, 2014, 06:33:25 AM
If Apple users are cultists, then so are anti-Apple users.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Rushy on May 28, 2014, 07:30:00 AM
If Apple users are cultists, then so are anti-Apple users.

Quote from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Vindictus on May 28, 2014, 07:48:36 AM
If Apple users are cultists, then so are anti-Apple users.

If scientologists are cultists, then so are atheists.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 28, 2014, 08:40:55 AM
If scientologists are cultists, then so are atheists.
Which many strongly religious people will be happy to confirm. The cult of science, and all that.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Vindictus on May 28, 2014, 08:46:31 AM
If scientologists are cultists, then so are atheists.
Which many strongly religious people will be happy to confirm. The cult of science, and all that.

I think that's grasping at straws, really. There are plenty of atheists out there that don't really think about their beliefs, but they don't necessarily follow a structured belief system, or dogmatic holy texts, or God(s) and religious figures.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Fortuna on May 28, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
If Apple users are cultists, then so are anti-Apple users.

Quote from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

: a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

: a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

: a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

Zealot may have been a better word. Yes, you're an anti-Apple zealot.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Rushy on May 28, 2014, 04:30:29 PM
Zealot may have been a better word. Yes, you're an anti-Apple zealot.

Yes. What exactly is your point?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: junker on May 28, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
ITT:  People get jelly that Apple makes better stuff.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Lord Dave on May 28, 2014, 05:43:15 PM
ITT:  People get jelly that Apple makes better stuff.
HA!
Better?  Not even close.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: junker on May 28, 2014, 05:52:58 PM
ITT:  People get jelly that Apple makes better stuff.
HA!
Better?  Not even close.

Literally better.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Vindictus on May 28, 2014, 08:13:25 PM
Better if you have 0 aptitude with computers.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: EnigmaZV on May 28, 2014, 08:25:07 PM
Apple products are better if you're looking for an Apple product.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Fortuna on May 28, 2014, 08:47:58 PM
ITT:  People get jelly that Apple makes better stuff.
HA!
Better?  Not even close.

Literally better.

It's true. I've never seen a better constructed laptop than a MacBook before.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Ghost of V on May 28, 2014, 08:54:30 PM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: EnigmaZV on May 28, 2014, 09:11:24 PM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes, you can install Windows or Linux on most Macs.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Fortuna on May 28, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes, you can install Windows or Linux on most Macs.

Steam is available without having to install a bad operating system.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Ghost of V on May 28, 2014, 09:26:22 PM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes, you can install Windows or Linux on most Macs.

No argument from me.

That wasn't the question though.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: junker on May 28, 2014, 10:42:01 PM
Better if you have 0 aptitude with computers.

lolno
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Rama Set on May 29, 2014, 12:24:36 AM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes, you can install Windows or Linux on most Macs.

No argument from me.

That wasn't the question though.

Do you mean to ask if OSX can support Steam?
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: Ghost of V on May 29, 2014, 12:28:24 AM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes, you can install Windows or Linux on most Macs.

No argument from me.

That wasn't the question though.

Do you mean to ask if OSX can support Steam?

Exactly.
Title: Re: Apple and viruses
Post by: markjo on May 29, 2014, 01:54:29 AM
Do Macs have Steam now? If so, how many games are playable?

Yes.
http://store.steampowered.com/browse/mac/