If it's just that easy, go do it yourself. We look forward to your results.
If it's just that easy, go do it yourself. We look forward to your results.
Even if you showed them pictures, it wouldn't be good enough for them. The curvature will be ambiguous.If it's just that easy, go do it yourself. We look forward to your results.
You wouldn't believe me! The only way for you to know is to do it yourself. Because you are the ones believing in the conspiracy, I don't believe in the conspiracy so I am happy to look at the photos from other people who have done this.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but that's my perspective, if you're willing to believe photos from other who have done this, I'm happy to discuss over these photos, But only if you accept them as non-edited. If you won't accept this then you have to take the photos for yourself.
Even if you showed them pictures, it wouldn't be good enough for them. The curvature will be ambiguous.If it's just that easy, go do it yourself. We look forward to your results.
You wouldn't believe me! The only way for you to know is to do it yourself. Because you are the ones believing in the conspiracy, I don't believe in the conspiracy so I am happy to look at the photos from other people who have done this.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but that's my perspective, if you're willing to believe photos from other who have done this, I'm happy to discuss over these photos, But only if you accept them as non-edited. If you won't accept this then you have to take the photos for yourself.
I'm still not sure why the existence of satellites isn't proof enough for them. They are visible all over the earth, their altitudes are verifiable from the ground, and under most circumstances, their position and orbit can be defined with only six orbital elements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements), which refer to elliptical Kepler orbits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_orbit), and which can be applied to moons and planets, including our own. Not once in that process do you have to consult aether current charts or whatever. Maybe the DIY should be "find a satellite and track it, then find and provide its Two Line Element set."
[How are they obviously space ships in orbit around a globe? | (http://www.ctcameraeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sats-meteor-m42.jpg) FEers just don't have the nous to realise the significance of the little stationary "lights in the sky" amid the streaks of the star trails. |
Well, to be fair, there are plenty of other satellites they could look at. Geostationary sats aren't always the easiest to notice.Even if you showed them pictures, it wouldn't be good enough for them. The curvature will be ambiguous.If it's just that easy, go do it yourself. We look forward to your results.
You wouldn't believe me! The only way for you to know is to do it yourself. Because you are the ones believing in the conspiracy, I don't believe in the conspiracy so I am happy to look at the photos from other people who have done this.
I'm not trying to be argumentative but that's my perspective, if you're willing to believe photos from other who have done this, I'm happy to discuss over these photos, But only if you accept them as non-edited. If you won't accept this then you have to take the photos for yourself.
I'm still not sure why the existence of satellites isn't proof enough for them. They are visible all over the earth, their altitudes are verifiable from the ground, and under most circumstances, their position and orbit can be defined with only six orbital elements (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements), which refer to elliptical Kepler orbits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_orbit), and which can be applied to moons and planets, including our own. Not once in that process do you have to consult aether current charts or whatever. Maybe the DIY should be "find a satellite and track it, then find and provide its Two Line Element set."
No, satellites won't convince anyone. This is a bit of "interchange" between Woody and the FE expert Tom Bishop.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .You can take long exposures of the night sky where geostationary satellites are said to be.As shown on the right ->. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .IMHO if the search for truth is TFES objective they really do not seem to be trying too hard to seek out that truth. My guess one reason not doing two or more of the above is that it will offer evidence that space travel happens, those pictures from space agencies are real and that is damning evidence against the Earth being flat.
Nothing about that tells us that they are obviously space ships in orbit around a globe earth.
(http://www.ctcameraeye.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/sats-meteor-m42.jpg)
FEers just don't have the nous to realize the significance of the little stationary "lights in the sky" amid the streaks of the star trails.
Well, to be fair, there are plenty of other satellites they could look at. Geostationary sats aren't always the easiest to notice.Look at the flat Earthers responses http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=4554.0
I am not a believer but I am still curious while not being hostile.Well this is kinda done by both sides hundreds of times already, with each other arguing about the camera lenses and perspective stuff. We can't get anymore notable evidence from this one more time.
I feel we can prove that the earth is round with one of these balloons, http://sentintospace.com/products-page/balloons/ultimate-balloon-3000g/#ad-image-0.
These are rated to go to 40km above the earth before popping, attach a Go pro and a GPS (we know GPS's work). When the balloon pops find the Gopro and look at the images for yourself. People have already done this but when you do this you can know no conspiracy has taken place.
Post the images, unedited please, on the forum and we can discuss them. If the earth is round you shouldn't be able to see antarctica at either end, if you can only see a portion of the earth an it drops off then it is round. (not that it will still look like a flat disk, as viewing a sphere through 2D image will give a disk.) what's important is the proportion of the earth you can see and what the atmosphere looks like. Also any images of the sun would be great!