Hi everybody,
Recently I have watched the Principle movie; in which you can see a debate about if Earth/human being are Significant or not. While They don't discuss the Earth shape, they focus on its location in the universe. More evidences in the documentry show that Earth is the center. Recommended since Flat & Geocentric are connected (i think so).
Quran has been changed??????
Are you a Muslim. ... you know nothing about quran and Islam. ... Coz Allahﷻ in Quran says indeed we protect our book ... and if you dont believe it you are a non_Muslim. ....
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.
In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.
And what does that have to do with "I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that." ?
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.
*ahem*In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
I'm not trying to spin the burden onto you, I am actually just genuinely curious. I am very familiar with Biblical text but not so with the Quran.
But I do give the OP credit for actually explaining why the verses he highlighted could represent the Earth being flat. You made the claim, without any supporting explanations, that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. You didn't spend a lot of time debating OP's points, so it makes it hard for me to really determine how the Earth is described in the Quran.
If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.
And what does that have to do with "I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that." ?
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Well to continue the conversation, can you list the verses that clearly describe the earth as a sphere?
I am not the one claiming that the Qur'aan states the Earth is flat and then using verses that says no such thing to try and prove that.
*ahem*In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
A very factually wrong statement from you. I didn't make a claim that every verse describes the Earth as spherical. This is a big issue I have with people who do not read text as is and spin their own meanings according to what they think is said.
If you like I can take the OP and debunk it in a very basic manner using nothing but language if there's any genuine interest.
It would only be fair to the OP you are discrediting. And as I said, I don't have any deep knowledge of the Quran, but from what I've studied from the torah and the bible it is very ambiguous as to the shape of the Earth. Nowhere does it definitively describe the Earth as a sphere or a flat plane.
They ignore everything regarding Flat Earth quotes which we all know.Spread out does not mean flat. It indicates vast expanse. According to two major commentaries (Jalalyn, Asab an-Nuzul) it doesn't mention like a carpet. One suggests "Spread out over water" hence the mention of mountains like pegs to hold the Earth from swaying beneath us violently. The enormity cannot be ignored at all when it comes to Earth.
- Qur'an 15:19
"And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance. "
- Qur'an 20:53
"He Who has, made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels); and has sent down water from the sky." With it have We produced diverse pairs of plants each separate from the others. "
- Qur'an 43:10
(Yea, the same that) has made for you the earth (like a carpet) spread out, and has made for you roads (and channels) therein, in order that ye may find guidance (on the way);
- Qur'an 50:7
And the earth- We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and produced therein every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs)-
- Qur'an 51:48
And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: How excellently We do spread out!
- Qur'an 71:19
And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)
- Qur'an 78:6
Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse
- Qur'an 79:30 [THIS HAS DOUBLE MEANING, Some say Dahaha which is spread out, or stretch, and other say Dahaha the verb from Dahiye, which is ostrich egg, which can mean (as they say) that the Earth is an egg shape, an ostrich egg shape.
But it's obvious in my opinion, that Dahaha belongs to the normal verb, it's not usual to use a verb out of a name, especially in this ostrich egg shape verb.
Many Islamist apologists attempt to deflect criticism that the Qur'an promotes the mistaken belief of a flat earth by the word dahaha used in Qur'an 79:30, commonly translated as ‘spread’ or ‘stretched’.
Most of Qur'an Translators said it's Stretched, which belong to flat earth theory, and not the egg shape, as following:
Qur'an Translations
Yusuf Ali: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); [4]
Pickthal: And after that He spread the earth, [4]
Arberry: and the earth-after that He spread it out, [4]
Shakir: And the earth, He expanded it after that. [4]
Sarwar: After this, He spread out the earth, [4]
Hilali/Khan: And after that He spread the earth; [4]
Malik: After that He spread out the earth, [4]
Maulana Ali: And the earth, He cast it after that. [4]
Free Minds: And the land after that He spread out. [4]
Some translations have attempted to translate the word dahaha to mean made egg-shaped or like an ‘ostrich egg’.
Khalifa: He made the earth egg-shaped. [4]
QXP: And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. ('Dahaha' entails all the meanings rendered (21:30), (41:11)). [4]
Transliteration: Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
Literal: And the earth/Planet Earth after that He blew and stretched/spread it. [4]
- Qur'an 91:6
By the Earth and its (wide) expanse
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Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
Cheap tricks. Not gonna work. As I said, you're not worth the time. Good day@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time
Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time
Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
These are typical cheap tricks. Like I said, it's not gonna work. Good day@TotesReptilian you're not worth the time
Just trying to help. If you want to go into denial/defensive mode, that's your business. Have fun.
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The above is all rubbish.
Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.
A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.
It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.
I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.
We do not believe the Earth is flat.
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Hi @Muslim ,
I too came across this thread through a Google search and I am curious. With all respect, before I ask my question, I am not saying that you claim or didn't claim something or anything. I would just like to know if you knew of any verses in the Quraan that indicates that the Earth is a sphere?
Thank youI have registered just to reply to this as it shows up on Google.
The above is all rubbish.
Firstly, there's no mention in the Quraan that it's FLAT.
A carpet or turf can be laid out on any terrain even if it's arched. It doesn't have to be flat. To compare and say a carpet cannot be laid on a football is just ridiculous and you wouldn't deserve a reply on something so daft.
It's mentioned as a great gift in the verses the fact that the the Earth is spread out so wide that we can live on it. So it looks flat, but it's not and the Quraan does NOT say it is flat.
I have asked scholars, here you have cowboys pretending to be scholars and speaking on behalf of Muslim's beliefs.
We do not believe the Earth is flat.
Show me one verse that says the Earth is flat. Don't put your own understandings and meaning or interpretations. Just show a clear verse. If it was flat, why wouldn't Allah just say so? In fact, every verse indicates that it's a sphere except to those who have already fallen flat on the Flat Earth madness.
Hello Muhammet,
As a Turk i say you wellcome to forum and Turkey, "hoşgeldin".
First i must say that i'm sorry for you here, i know you have a war on your country caused by our PM dicdator Erdoghan supporting to terrorism on your country. This is a bit our mistake because we elected him, but be sure we was not know he'll be a dicdator because he were talking good. :)
I know most of your writen because as a muslim i passed on same way.
Actually islamic scholars changed quran by same way that what happened to torah and bible. They can't change the verses but chance it's means (meals), (translations). Their act depends on the idea that "islam don't conflict to science". This is a nonsence. Most of Reverends depends on this idea because quran encourages research and read. But this not mean "change the meaning of the verses fit to science.
When i saw FE's i see that they are really saved what bible say about earth. This is really interesting that islamic Reverends did they give up easily, but i see christian reverends resisted better then islamic reverends. to be the last religion, the last being the book didn't help them. Yes i'm nevertheless still muslim. Because this is not islamic mistake, this mistake caused by some men believed to NASA 1969 lie.
Anyway. I hope you find out the truth.
Thanks kardes, Allah razi olsun.. I agree with everything you said.. you know Allah says:
to be a Mu'min is to believe in Allah, and his angels, and "his books" (books, not only the quran, all of them including bible and others) so in my opinion, some important information we can take from Bible and old testament) and also you know the rest.. to believe in all his massengers and fate the good and bad. all coming from Allah.
I congratulate you and salute you for your knowledge and way of thinking, I would love if we get in contact as well, I sent you my number.. God protects you and bless you <3 Allah korusun <3