There is an overwhelming amount of evidence pointing to this...Please, provide said evidence.
NASA can't hide information or pictures.Citation needed.
They are a public organization and are legally required to show every image they capture from whatever source they haveSo you believe this of other government organizations, then, as they too are public? If you really believe that, I have some oceanfront land in Arizona you will love.
As for the moon landing, it happened, there is no doubt about it.Literally false. You not doubting it doesn't mean there is no doubt about it.
There is proof of NASA equipment on the surface of the moonPerfect! Please provide this evidence.
Say what you like, those images are real.I am sure you can prove this, too.
Hi everyone, first thread here! Thanks for having me.
I'm recently awakened to the truth of flat earth and one thing i'm pondering is this:
Does the truth of Flat Earth NECESSARILY logically mean that a Moon landing is impossible? If you launched while the Moon was above Earth, at it's shortest trajectory away, and departed back to Earth when you were facing the right way again, presumably you'd be able to make the trip. Perhaps the astronauts rode the Moon all the way around the Earth-disc and NASA is keeping that info hidden. Maybe NASA even has photos of the underside of Earth.
Thoughts?
I say yes and they realized the couldn't escape the dome.
I am a dome believer. I do not belive man has ever or will ever escape the dome ALIVE...
Why would NASA have photos of the underside of the earth, though? The moon and the sun can't really travel underneath the earth in a flat model.
As for the possibility of a moon landing, I suppose it is possible. I doubt that anyone has actually gone to the moon, though. I guess it depends on a few factors such as whether you believe the celestial bodies are spherical or flat, and other things like that.I say yes and they realized the couldn't escape the dome.
I am a dome believer. I do not belive man has ever or will ever escape the dome ALIVE...
Where would a dome have come from, anyway? I've personally seen little evidence for a dome, and most of it seems to be religious in nature.
Why would NASA have photos of the underside of the earth, though? The moon and the sun can't really travel underneath the earth in a flat model.
As for the possibility of a moon landing, I suppose it is possible. I doubt that anyone has actually gone to the moon, though. I guess it depends on a few factors such as whether you believe the celestial bodies are spherical or flat, and other things like that.I say yes and they realized the couldn't escape the dome.
I am a dome believer. I do not belive man has ever or will ever escape the dome ALIVE...
Where would a dome have come from, anyway? I've personally seen little evidence for a dome, and most of it seems to be religious in nature.
Where would the "dust" come from that created the big bang?
I hear and read the word dust so many times it's laughable..
Science=nothing+nothing=something.
I can't say I've heard the term "dust" before. Is that in reference to the supposed singularity that allowed for the big bang?
Also, as you mention the existence of "powerful entities", would you say that you subscribe to somewhat of a deist position?
Hi everyone, first thread here! Thanks for having me.
I'm recently awakened to the truth of flat earth and one thing i'm pondering is this:
Does the truth of Flat Earth NECESSARILY logically mean that a Moon landing is impossible? If you launched while the Moon was above Earth, at it's shortest trajectory away, and departed back to Earth when you were facing the right way again, presumably you'd be able to make the trip. Perhaps the astronauts rode the Moon all the way around the Earth-disc and NASA is keeping that info hidden. Maybe NASA even has photos of the underside of Earth.
Thoughts?
The moon landing has been proven to be a hoax several times. Armstrong was sadly a puppet for NASA. Assuming they paid him well, I would have done the same ;)
Hi everyone, first thread here! Thanks for having me.
I'm recently awakened to the truth of flat earth and one thing i'm pondering is this:
Does the truth of Flat Earth NECESSARILY logically mean that a Moon landing is impossible? If you launched while the Moon was above Earth, at it's shortest trajectory away, and departed back to Earth when you were facing the right way again, presumably you'd be able to make the trip. Perhaps the astronauts rode the Moon all the way around the Earth-disc and NASA is keeping that info hidden. Maybe NASA even has photos of the underside of Earth.
Thoughts?
There is no evidence of a terrestrial craft progressing beyond where we can fly high altitude craft.
This claim that there is no evidence is supported by the complete absence of continuous footage from launch to orbit amongst the multitude of space launch videos provided by NASA, ESA, and the like. The moment things will reach a transition from high altitude to orbit, the video either completely stops or inexplicably transitions into a CGI/computer view of the space craft with telemetry data rather than maintaining the same camera view we had since launch.
My thoughts, as some others conclude is that the footage of the launch and high altitude provides the foundation of a cognitive bridge built to guide the viewer to resigning further critical thought of what they are witnessing while simultaneously exploiting the viewer's reliance on the "trusted" source such as your national space agency.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Find them yourself. If you ever bothered looking, you would find that every "proof" of a moon hoax has been debunked multiple times by people a lot smarter than you.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS
Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.
I know! I'm not "Round fact" either, but
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS
Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.
Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.
And who the hell uses bing? Lol
Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.
Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.
I dont belive that we are to know all the secrets of the universe.
That's my position.
There is no evidence of a terrestrial craft progressing beyond where we can fly high altitude craft.
This claim that there is no evidence is supported by the complete absence of continuous footage from launch to orbit amongst the multitude of space launch videos provided by NASA, ESA, and the like. The moment things will reach a transition from high altitude to orbit, the video either completely stops or inexplicably transitions into a CGI/computer view of the space craft with telemetry data rather than maintaining the same camera view we had since launch.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS
Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.
Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.
And who the hell uses bing? Lol
Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.
Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS
Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.
Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.
And who the hell uses bing? Lol
Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.
Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.
Remove the tree from your own eye before attempting to tell me about the splinter in mine. Your math was off by 814,000,000.
Google Proof Apollo moon landings
AllNewsVideosImagesShoppingMoreSearch tools
About 74,700 results (0.46 seconds)
So Bing has more information.
Math not my thing? I am retired now, but I was a Civilian DoD Accounting Tech and Lead Auditor Depart of the Army DFAS-IN.
I also write Speculative Fiction (AKA Science Fiction) and knowledge of math and science is a must. I at least have to know where to find the information and various calculators.
My "billions" was literary license. Sue me.
One more note on math; there is no math explaining aether, UA, FE night and day, sunrise/sunset, FE and round planets the phases of theMoon... The list is too long to post.
In your opinion people have debunked the Apollo Moon landings. Most of them are believers in oddball conspiracies. They are the Alex Jones and Richard C Hoaglands of the world. They make claims about educational expertise, but when asked to prove it, change the subject or or go silent. And Google or Bing indicate their claims are bogus, as there are no citations posted that back up those claims.
Ask yourself this; IF NASA faked it, would they not KNOW people would be looking for evidence? And given that they would, would not NASA not have gone to extraordinary means NOT to make these "mistakes"?
Every single claim that the NASA faked it has been conclusively shown to be false.
It was a typo I meant 933,000,000...
Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.
You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?
Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.
Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.
One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes) Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away. (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/Apollo_11_TV_Tapes_Report.pdf)
I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the sand"ed yourself from that.
Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."
Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.
But it's ok, this tin foil hat is actually quite cozy, I'm sure having your head in the sand protects you from the mind control rays the guvment is zapping us with just as well.
You didn't even read the PDF you linked to, did you? It's telling the truth. And it's not like that's the only record in existence that we went to the moon (not even close!)
We don't ignore the "discrepancies" you discover; we just find better explanations.
There are literally billions of proofs that we went to and landed on the Moon.
You don't believe it. Fine with me. But if you insist in berating the facts it is up to you prove your case, not me to reprove mine.
Please provide sources for the BILLIONS of proofs that man has landed on the moon.
Lol... really though... I hate throwing this phrase around, because it is so over used, but if there ever was a clear cut case of "confirmation bias" this would totally be it.
Proof Apollo was real
Bing
77,700,000 RESULTS
Nope. You said it was all faked, it is up to you prove it.
Seems about 93,000,000 short of a billion, obviously math isn't your thing.
And who the hell uses bing? Lol
Hey Blewmoon, I wasn't talking to you so please refrain from speaking to me unless spoken to.
Oh, for your information, people a lot smarter than me have also debunked the apollo program.
Remove the tree from your own eye before attempting to tell me about the splinter in mine. Your math was off by 814,000,000.
Google Proof Apollo moon landings
AllNewsVideosImagesShoppingMoreSearch tools
About 74,700 results (0.46 seconds)
So Bing has more information.
Math not my thing? I am retired now, but I was a Civilian DoD Accounting Tech and Lead Auditor Depart of the Army DFAS-IN.
I also write Speculative Fiction (AKA Science Fiction) and knowledge of math and science is a must. I at least have to know where to find the information and various calculators.
My "billions" was literary license. Sue me.
One more note on math; there is no math explaining aether, UA, FE night and day, sunrise/sunset, FE and round planets the phases of theMoon... The list is too long to post.
In your opinion people have debunked the Apollo Moon landings. Most of them are believers in oddball conspiracies. They are the Alex Jones and Richard C Hoaglands of the world. They make claims about educational expertise, but when asked to prove it, change the subject or or go silent. And Google or Bing indicate their claims are bogus, as there are no citations posted that back up those claims.
Ask yourself this; IF NASA faked it, would they not KNOW people would be looking for evidence? And given that they would, would not NASA not have gone to extraordinary means NOT to make these "mistakes"?
Every single claim that the NASA faked it has been conclusively shown to be false.
It was a typo I meant 933,000,000...
Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.
You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?
Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.
Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.
One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11_missing_tapes) Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away. (https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/Apollo_11_TV_Tapes_Report.pdf)
I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the sand"ed yourself from that.
Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."
Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.
But it's ok, this tin foil hat is actually quite cozy, I'm sure having your head in the sand protects you from the mind control rays the guvment is zapping us with just as well.
Ah I get it, you're an old dude, that explains Bing, that, along with your science fiction hobby, also explain your desperate adherence to the conundrum that many people saw man land on the moon on the radio.
You are distorting truth to fit your point of view. You say there is no proof of a hoax being perpetrated, but ask yourself this question: If it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt would the conspiracy theory exist?
Then you go right along and try to discredit anyone that disagrees with you by lumping them in with Alex Jones viewers, how original: You might as well have pulled out the standard tin foil hat accusation.
Here's the thing, a theory is a theory if it has some evidence to back it up. Otherwise it would be a hypothesis.They lost the original video tapes NOT the telemetry. One is data the other images. The original films taken on the surface, of course, survive to this day.
One major gaping glaringly obvious problem: They "lost" the telemetry tapes. The event was arguably the most important achievement the human race has ever accomplished. Yet they somehow lost the tapes that were supposed to record the entire mission. Don't worry, their apologists certainly did their best to hand wave it away.
I won't even get into the well documented discrepancies of the photographic "evidence," because you've obviously "ostrich in the san”ed yourself from that.
Then there is the hour and a half the Astronauts spent flying through the toxic Van Allen Radiation Belts in an aluminum foil vessel. Of course, NASA says that they went through it the shortest route, and the only true explanation offered as to why their employees weren't cooked to a crisp or poisoned by the radiation is "uhhh, just cuz they weren't."
Then there is the most obvious reason to stage such an event: The Cold War and Winning the Space Race. Every conspiracy needs a motive and getting the upper hand amidst a deadly, apocalyptic nuclear standoff seems to be a whopper of one.
All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.
All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.
This, a thousand times THIS!! Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's. And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie? That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite? They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?? Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof? Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us! That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?
Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.
All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.
This, a thousand times THIS!! Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's. And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie? That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite? They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?? Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof? Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us! That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?
Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.
All Russia or China had to do to win was prove the Earth was Flat and make the US out as liars. Funny how that didn’t happen.
This, a thousand times THIS!! Communism is general, and the Soviets in particular, were all about the supposed superiority of their philosophy/economy/science/everything when compared to anybody else's. And yet we are to believe they passed up the chance to expose the Big Lie? That they agreed to actively participate in the world-wide Conspiracy to fake space flight, and indeed were the first to successfully fake a satellite? They colluded with the hated capitalists at the height of the Cold War to maintain the Western world's Round Earth philosophy as a whole? WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT?? Why would they not come out with all this supposed evidence and proof? Can you even imagine the public relations coup that would have been, to show that every economic system before Communism had been holding the world hostage to a false view, and now here come Stalin and Mao to save us! That would really have been a huge win for Communism, why would they pass that up?
Oh, right: it's because there is no such evidence, because IT ISN'T TRUE, that's why.
Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.
In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.
As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article (http://www.space.com/20514-apollo-moon-landing-hoax-poll.html) that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9repeating infinitely % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated.
One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.
Space Program Logos (https://www.google.com/search?q=space+program+logos&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGx7WspPjLAhXFWD4KHRAeDgYQ_AUIBygB&biw=988&bih=625#imgrc=_)
Bing results as well for those using Windows XP (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=space+program+logos&FORM=HDRSC2)
Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.
The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.
Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.
Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.Organizations involved in similar pursuits have logos echoing similar themes? That's nothing new, and does not suggest collusion. Militaries throughout history and the world over have had similar iconography, and nobody would say that they were merely "apparently enemies" when they were actively involved in killing each other as fast as possible.
But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact.I'll agree with this statement. At the same time, those same governments have proven fairly inept at keeping deep dark secrets for long. Watergate comes to mind: a secret known to a much, much smaller cadre of people than the number of people it would require to successfully fake almost sixty years worth of space flight, and a small team of journalists pried it out.
I bet you think this report is telling the truth as well. (http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf)
And if you do, you're a lot dumber than you think you are.
Wow. You actually pulled the logo card. That's -2 respect points, AND you've activated my trap card! If you ever did your own research, you would find that NASA's chevron is a wing shape representing aeronautics, the first A in NASA. In other logos, they have similar chevrons because they represent progress or upward motion.
Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.
In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.
As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article (http://www.space.com/20514-apollo-moon-landing-hoax-poll.html) that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9repeating infinitely % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated.
One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.
Space Program Logos (https://www.google.com/search?q=space+program+logos&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGx7WspPjLAhXFWD4KHRAeDgYQ_AUIBygB&biw=988&bih=625#imgrc=_)
Bing results as well for those using Windows XP (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=space+program+logos&FORM=HDRSC2)
Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.
The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.
Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.
Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.See, we as Round Earthers no longer feel ambiguity as to the shape of the earth. This is not bias; rather it is correctness. We know how satellites work, how tides work, how NASA works, how astronomy works, and how engineering works, etc. The hard part is getting people like you to see that professionals aren't idiots, and that your explanations only make sense if you avoid thinking about them.
What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?
I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't want to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, then have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so don't ask for any specific evidence as to why I don't share your optimism.
I bet you think this report is telling the truth as well. (http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf)
And if you do, you're a lot dumber than you think you are.
I'm definitely not reading that. This is about the moon landings, not terrorist attacks.Wow. You actually pulled the logo card. That's -2 respect points, AND you've activated my trap card! If you ever did your own research, you would find that NASA's chevron is a wing shape representing aeronautics, the first A in NASA. In other logos, they have similar chevrons because they represent progress or upward motion.
Nobody has ever tried to prove the Earth was round or flat. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the validity of Space flight and Space missions.
In short, you could possible chalk it up as a tangled web of deception. Something our governments, communist or capitalist, socialist, fascist, etc etc, all are known for. Everyone has a CIA equivalent. Everyone has questionable programs that operate above the laws of their country, and above international law. When knowledge equals power you can guarantee there is a vested interest in retaining as much of that as they can. We don't have an informed and educated populace. I'm not sure what country you're living in. They want us smart enough to press the buttons to keep this charade chugging along, but not smart enough to question the injustices perpetuated against us.
As far as 99.9999999999% percent of this informed, educated group you think trust the moon landing. Here's an article (http://www.space.com/20514-apollo-moon-landing-hoax-poll.html) that can wake you up about how enlightened and intelligent we are as a nation. 20% of Republicans think Obama is the anti-christ. 7% think the moon landing was a hoax. There is absolutely no way to substantiate your hyperbolic statistics. I suggest aligning more with actual statistic and sources instead of using terms like billions and 99.9repeating infinitely % if you expect to appear to have any shred of objectivity. This dream world of informed and educated people doesn't exist, and if you attempt to define it you cannot avoid bias in determining what constitutes informed and educated.
One more fun thing about Space Programs. You may believe them to all be in competition with one another, and would jump at the chance to debunk each other, but that's not true. They are all apart of the same agenda.
Space Program Logos (https://www.google.com/search?q=space+program+logos&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGx7WspPjLAhXFWD4KHRAeDgYQ_AUIBygB&biw=988&bih=625#imgrc=_)
Bing results as well for those using Windows XP (http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=space+program+logos&FORM=HDRSC2)
Examine those logos for similarities. You'll find that, for even the nations that are apparently enemies or rivals, they share the vector/chevron symbology. You can call it coincidence if you will, but I'm not going to buy it.
The reason they're not "pulling each others cards" or actively trying to debunk each other is because one pull on a loose thread could pull this whole sweater apart quite easily.
Anyway, that is how I feel about that. Take it as you will, as it is, or don't take it at all; makes no difference to me.
The Republican party is a joke. I'm not sure why you brought them in on this, but a party so quick to support Trump and refer to Obama as the Antichrist is not one I'd consider to be on the rational side of things.
It's not much of a surprise that so many people believe the moon landing was a hoax, but you never can tell with polls like that. It might have asked "do you think it's possible that the moon landings could have been faked?" And, of course, the less intelligent people who think of NASA as little more than a few videos and lots of money will say yes because it might be possible, even if they don't think they were fake. Unfortunately, ideas can spread without the help of facts. As long as hoaxers can get people to distrust NASA, even a little, they'll never bother to do unbiased research and find the truth.Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.See, we as Round Earthers no longer feel ambiguity as to the shape of the earth. This is not bias; rather it is correctness. We know how satellites work, how tides work, how NASA works, how astronomy works, and how engineering works, etc. The hard part is getting people like you to see that professionals aren't idiots, and that your explanations only make sense if you avoid thinking about them.
What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?
I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't want to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, then have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so don't ask for any specific evidence as to why I don't share your optimism.
Round fact, you are clearly pushing whatever narrative you've preconceived, not actually listening to or digesting anything I say, otherwise you would notice I never mentioned anything about the earth being flat.
What part of educated and informed being subjective don't you understand?
I get it, you have to believe that you have benevolent trustworthy owners. I don't won't to think otherwise, and I wish it was so. But the evidence suggests that we are not ruled by people with the average persons best interests in mind. Throughout history there has never been this hypothetical moral leadership. Money and power ultimately corrupts. This is an inconvenient fact. Whether you wish to go on your merry way and pretend that your existence is anything but inconsequential and expendable to the powers that be, than have fun with that. I wish I could be a happy idiot too. And no it's not my prerogative to inform or educate you about anything so dont ask for any specific evidence as to why I dont share your optimism.
Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.
I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.
There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.
Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.
I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.
There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.
You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.
BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument. Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.
Hide, someone pissed off the creationist. :)Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.
I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.
There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.
You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.
BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument. Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.
There is no burden of proof. The original claim, in my and many other's opinion, is unsubstantiated. Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men here, if it hurt your ears then do what you've been doing, stick your fingers in them and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
I'm not out of argument, I'm out of reasons to continue speaking to this group of professional NASA apologists. Or is it amateur? I'm not sure, I know you're not getting paid for it, but you mother fuckers act like this is your job. Anyway, no hard feelings, peace be with you, or whatever. But you can go troll someone else.
Believe whatever the fuck you want dude. I don't have to prove anything to you, the prodigy descendent of a long line of amateur photographers. Everything I could tell you you can easily find yourself. It's not my job to educate or inform. I don't have to pander to you because your decision is already made.
I love this whole "reverse dissonance" yall like to swear I have. I obviously learned all the same bullshit and saw the same videos and photos as most of you guys growing up. If anything, I should've railed against the conspiracies as well. But because my mind was open, I did the research to draw my own conclusions, by which --excluding this insignificant pack of circle jerking fanboys here-- I am not alone.
There is absolutely nothing I could say or do to whipe that smug shit eating grins off any of your stupid fucking faces. Live in your fantasy world and I'll live in mine.
You stated it is a hoax, which puts the burden on you to prove it.
BTW, nice F bombs, an indication you have noting to importance to add and have run out of argument. Oh and please google the words professional and amateur. You seem to not know the meaning or use of either word.
There is no burden of proof. The original claim, in my and many other's opinion, is unsubstantiated. Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men here, if it hurt your ears then do what you've been doing, stick your fingers in them and say "LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!"
I'm not out of argument, I'm out of reasons to continue speaking to this group of professional NASA apologists. Or is it amateur? I'm not sure, I know you're not getting paid for it, but you mother fuckers act like this is your job. Anyway, no hard feelings, peace be with you, or whatever. But you can go troll someone else.
Can't and won't are two different things. You're supposedly a writer you should be able to interpret the language I've used. Can I have a link to some of your published work. If you don't mind? I want to see how brilliant of a mind I'm supposed to be pandering to. Would love to see what science fiction written by a Donald Trump supporter looks like.
Excuse my language, I thought we were all grown men hereI would not make that assumption. There are likely some school children who find this site while doing a web search for names and phrases that pop up in discussions here, for example Moon Landing, Cavendish, Tesla, etc.