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Because we don't have one of these and it's coming out today. Post horror stories and/or praise.
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It's sat in my tray begging to be downloaded. There is no way I'll be downloading until I hear gushing praise and tales of unmatched stability. It needs to be better than Windows 8.1 (which I currently have) so the bar isn't exactly high, but Microsoft are good at smashing my expectations by attaining new lows I didn't think possible.
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I always wonder why people bother with Windows when I hear the number of complaints about every new version.
It's like getting home with a new Toyota and opening up the hood, only to find half the engine parts are stuck together with silly putty, the battery sometimes outputs current the wrong way around and one of the windscreen wipers doesn't work. The first thing you do is go to your computer and post angrily on the Internet about how terrible your new car is. Three years later, you need another car, and you go back to the exact same dealership and buy another one.
Why?
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Because it's free
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Because it's free
So is literally every viable alternative (if you consider an OS that ships with the hardware to be "free", then OS X is also free).
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Sure, but it's less hassle to just stick with Windows than it is to learn another OS.
Also, OS X is terribler.
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Because it's free
This is the first time Microsoft have offered their OS free.
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Because it's free
This is the first time Microsoft have offered their OS free.
Their software, with regards to Windows, has been free to download for quite some time. It is the license that you pay for.
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Because it's free
This is the first time Microsoft have offered their OS free.
Actually, it's only free as an upgrade.
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Actually, it's only free as an upgrade.
An upgrade which you can obtain from a pirated version of Windows, thus legitimising your version. Yeah, it's free.
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Actually, it's only free as an upgrade.
An upgrade which you can obtain from a pirated version of Windows, thus legitimising your version. Yeah, it's free.
By this logic, anything that can be stolen is free.
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It turns out that my information was outdated. Originally, it was believed that providing free Windows copies to pirates was a deliberate move, but they have since clarified their stance, which I missed.
This article does a good job at explaining the original interpretation of Microsoft's statements, as well as providing an update on the clarification: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/03/19/why-microsoft-is-giving-away-windows-10-to-pirates/
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I did a fresh install of Windows 10 Pro this morning. As a marginally-advanced-at-best user, the only changes I've yet noticed are UI tweaks.
10/10 would window again
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I always wonder why people bother with Windows when I hear the number of complaints about every new version.
It's like getting home with a new Toyota and opening up the hood, only to find half the engine parts are stuck together with silly putty, the battery sometimes outputs current the wrong way around and one of the windscreen wipers doesn't work. The first thing you do is go to your computer and post angrily on the Internet about how terrible your new car is. Three years later, you need another car, and you go back to the exact same dealership and buy another one.
Why?
This is a pretty horrific analogy, since people can quite easily buy different brands of vehicles. Automobiles share the same basic characteristics and control standards across the entire planet.
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It turns out that my information was outdated. Originally, it was believed that providing free Windows copies to pirates was a deliberate move, but they have since clarified their stance, which I missed.
This article does a good job at explaining the original interpretation of Microsoft's statements, as well as providing an update on the clarification: http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/03/19/why-microsoft-is-giving-away-windows-10-to-pirates/
It sounded like a good idea until Microsoft clarified it was not an amnesty.
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Still waiting to get my invitation.
And yeah, I only care because it's free. Still running W7 on my desktop.
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My understanding is that although one can upgrade to Windows 10 from a pirated version, it won't be activated.
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Does windows ten have the annoying spots on the screen I can't click without opening a giant overlay that locks me out of everything with apps I'll never use?
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I'm tempted to install it now but... I know better and will wait until after I move.
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I'm not really trusting of it yet.
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This is a pretty horrific analogy, since people can quite easily buy different brands of vehicles. Automobiles share the same basic characteristics and control standards across the entire planet.
As do desktop environments. The basic UI elements are common between Windows, OS X and the most popular DEs on Linux, as is a large selection of portable applications. There's always some overhead in switching, just as you might encounter with a car; some manufacturers switch the indicator and wiper controls around, or you might go from an automatic transmission to a manual. The basics are the same, though.
Sure, but it's less hassle to just stick with Windows than it is to learn another OS.
Apparently, it's a hassle to upgrade every time a new version of Windows comes out. Why not just take the hassle once by switching OS to something that doesn't break all user expectations with every new release?
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Because it's not a hassle? Not for me, at least. Never has been.
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Because it's not a hassle? Not for me, at least. Never has been.
A lot of people do find upgrades a hassle, to the point of not trusting the new version for months or even years after it's released. Look at Windows XP's longevity after the spectacular failure that was Vista, for instance. There are even examples in this thread:
There is no way I'll be downloading until I hear gushing praise and tales of unmatched stability. It needs to be better than Windows 8.1 (which I currently have) so the bar isn't exactly high, but Microsoft are good at smashing my expectations by attaining new lows I didn't think possible.
Does windows ten have the annoying spots on the screen I can't click without opening a giant overlay that locks me out of everything with apps I'll never use?
I'm tempted to install it now but... I know better and will wait until after I move.
I'm not really trusting of it yet.
If you don't find it a hassle, then you're not the sort of person I'm talking about. I'm talking about the people that spam the Internet with complaints every few years as Microsoft shits over a new leaf.
Also:
Also, OS X is terribler.
It really isn't. OS X is bad, but it's not that bad.
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Still waiting to get my invitation.
I believe you don't need one. You can just upgrade with the Media Creation Tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Unless they fixed that already, but I don't think they did.
Also, I installed Windows 10 the other day. So far I'm quite happy with it. They seem to have put a fair amount of effort into optimising the system and fixing some of the UX flaws of 8/8.1. Overall, a fairly competent upgrade, but don't expect it to blow you away.
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Still waiting to get my invitation.
I believe you don't need one. You can just upgrade with the Media Creation Tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Unless they fixed that already, but I don't think they did.
There is nothing to fix. Microsoft advertises that method on their site. The wave upgrade invitations are for people who have little or no computer operating system experience and it is purpose built to allow Microsoft's customer service to handle their issues without being overwhelmed.
As do desktop environments. The basic UI elements are common between Windows, OS X and the most popular DEs on Linux, as is a large selection of portable applications. There's always some overhead in switching, just as you might encounter with a car; some manufacturers switch the indicator and wiper controls around, or you might go from an automatic transmission to a manual. The basics are the same, though.
Incorrect.
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There is nothing to fix. [...]
Okay, I used the wrong word. All I meant to say was "double-check what I said in case shit's outdated".
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There is nothing to fix. [...]
Okay, I used the wrong word. All I meant to say was "double-check what I said in case shit's outdated".
It's not, I just got an email from Microsoft telling me to do it if I didn't want to wait and warning me it was for "tech savvy" individuals.
Also I am being a rude ass today. Dunno why.
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Still waiting to get my invitation.
I believe you don't need one. You can just upgrade with the Media Creation Tool: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Unless they fixed that already, but I don't think they did.
Also, I installed Windows 10 the other day. So far I'm quite happy with it. They seem to have put a fair amount of effort into optimising the system and fixing some of the UX flaws of 8/8.1. Overall, a fairly competent upgrade, but don't expect it to blow you away.
Yep, I ended up doing that. Kept getting that infamous message so I created an install USB with it and upgraded that way.
I agree with your short review. A bit easier to get to most tools and sort through settings, but there's some problems. Forcing a login screen on me was annoying, as it was with 8.1. /g/ was also pretty unhappy about some.. Interesting choices Microsoft made, but that's /g/.
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Running on a spare workstation at the office, Core i5/12GB RAM/256GB SSD. It's running really well so far. Much cleaner and better than 8.1, but that isn't really saying much. 8/8.1 is literally worse than Vista.
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Have windows 10. Edge seems ok but some extensions would be nice .... like an adblocker.
I'm sure I'll get used to the changes.
Having trouble autohiding my task bar and I did get a lost .dll warning, but hopefully I don't need that .dll anymore. :-/
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Oh, it has bust this site. I can't select smileys. I have to manually type them. :'(
In fact all the bold underline etc can't be selected now.
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Well, I suppose that's what happens when you use the sequel to IE
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Have windows 10. Edge seems ok but some extensions would be nice .... like an adblocker.
I'm sure I'll get used to the changes.
Having trouble autohiding my task bar and I did get a lost .dll warning, but hopefully I don't need that .dll anymore. :-/
>using edge
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Very happy with Windows 10 so far. I've only been using it for a couple hours now, but I haven't had any problems and it seems to run better than 8.1 was. Plus damn Cortana is a nice implementation. I've been loving Google Now on my phone, so being able to have a (slightly worse) version for my computer is nice. I just wish they'd allow Cortana to integrate with Firefox/Chrome as well as she does Edge (which is a step up from IE, but still not very good). I just wish she was half as good at contextual questions/commands as Google Now is. If I'm not super specific about some things, she'll just search what I said instead of figuring out what I meant like Google Now does.
But still, step up from Windows 8.1. I like the look, too.
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I always wonder why people bother with Windows when I hear the number of complaints about every new version.
It's like getting home with a new Toyota and opening up the hood, only to find half the engine parts are stuck together with silly putty, the battery sometimes outputs current the wrong way around and one of the windscreen wipers doesn't work. The first thing you do is go to your computer and post angrily on the Internet about how terrible your new car is. Three years later, you need another car, and you go back to the exact same dealership and buy another one.
Why?
Because software tends to improve the longer it's been out and the more it's been debugged. Windows usually ends up relatively stable after patches. This is something people are accustomed to, so they keep downloading Windows knowing it will eventually have the bugs worked out. You can't hotfix or patch a car with broken physical parts, so that's a really bad analogy.
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You can't hotfix or patch a car with broken physical parts, so that's a really bad analogy.
Mechanics literally don't exist.
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I always wonder why people bother with Windows when I hear the number of complaints about every new version.
It's like getting home with a new Toyota and opening up the hood, only to find half the engine parts are stuck together with silly putty, the battery sometimes outputs current the wrong way around and one of the windscreen wipers doesn't work. The first thing you do is go to your computer and post angrily on the Internet about how terrible your new car is. Three years later, you need another car, and you go back to the exact same dealership and buy another one.
Why?
Because software tends to improve the longer it's been out and the more it's been debugged. Windows usually ends up relatively stable after patches. This is something people are accustomed to, so they keep downloading Windows knowing it will eventually have the bugs worked out. You can't hotfix or patch a car with broken physical parts, so that's a really bad analogy.
You can, it just typically involves a recall. Happens all the time.
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What's Edge?
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Renamed IE.
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You can't hotfix or patch a car with broken physical parts, so that's a really bad analogy.
Mechanics literally don't exist.
Your analogy just keeps getting worse and worse.
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I still can't find any compelling reason to upgrade to Windows 10 from my current Windows 7 setup. The UI still looks like a big step in the wrong direction.
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Very happy with Windows 10 so far. I've only been using it for a couple hours now, but I haven't had any problems and it seems to run better than 8.1 was. Plus damn Cortana is a nice implementation. I've been loving Google Now on my phone, so being able to have a (slightly worse) version for my computer is nice. I just wish they'd allow Cortana to integrate with Firefox/Chrome as well as she does Edge (which is a step up from IE, but still not very good). I just wish she was half as good at contextual questions/commands as Google Now is. If I'm not super specific about some things, she'll just search what I said instead of figuring out what I meant like Google Now does.
But still, step up from Windows 8.1. I like the look, too.
How does it compare with OpenBSD, in your opinion?
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Well, I can use it, so
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Apparently M$ thinks that Win10 is so good that they'll upgrade you for free whether you actually want it or not:
MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.
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Apparently M$ thinks that Win10 is so good that they'll upgrade you for free whether you actually want it or not:
MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.
I still find it astounding that people use black-box operating systems and then act surprised when their computer does something they don't want. If you're using software you can't inspect, you've implicitly agreed to someone else making choices for you.
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Apparently M$ thinks that Win10 is so good that they'll upgrade you for free whether you actually want it or not:
MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.
I still find it astounding that people use black-box operating systems and then act surprised when their computer does something they don't want. If you're using software you can't inspect, you've implicitly agreed to someone else making choices for you.
Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
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Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
The latter. That's why I don't complain about the way they choose to maintain the aircraft.
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If this was Mortal Kombat, that would have been a fatality.
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Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
I would expect the airline company to inspect and maintain the aircraft. However, I would not expect General Motors to come to my house in the middle of the night and try to upgrade my car to a pickup truck without my consent.
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Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
I would expect the airline company to inspect and maintain the aircraft. However, I would not expect General Motors to come to my house in the middle of the night and try to upgrade my car to a pickup truck without my consent.
What if they upgraded your Chevrolet Spark to a Chevrolet Camaro? Would you still be moaning? Microsoft are trying to do just that for you. So ungrateful.
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Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
I would expect the airline company to inspect and maintain the aircraft. However, I would not expect General Motors to come to my house in the middle of the night and try to upgrade my car to a pickup truck without my consent.
What if they upgraded your Chevrolet Spark to a Chevrolet Camaro? Would you still be moaning? Microsoft are trying to do just that for you. So ungrateful.
A Chevrolet Camaro full of hidden cameras, microphones, GPS tracker and who knows what else.
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Do you inspect the aircraft before you go on holiday or do you trust the manufacturer to have made a product that just works?
I would expect the airline company to inspect and maintain the aircraft. However, I would not expect General Motors to come to my house in the middle of the night and try to upgrade my car to a pickup truck without my consent.
What if they upgraded your Chevrolet Spark to a Chevrolet Camaro? Would you still be moaning? Microsoft are trying to do just that for you. So ungrateful.
What if I can't afford the gas and insurance for the Camaro? Besides, they upgraded the body and trim, but not the engine. You try running a Camaro on a Spark's 1.2L engine.
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The lag on that OS is real. It may be my CPU, but I have almost completely switched to my Kubuntu laptop(From 2007) and I get a faster OS.
Either HP or Microsoft really screwed up.
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Kubuntu
You seem to care about not wasting system resources, and yet you use KDE. What the fuck?
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I now run on Windows 10 instead of Windows 7 for that sweet, sweet DirectX 12. Other than some driver compatibility hiccups, I haven't noticed any big changes, performance or otherwise.
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True. My only point was it was better.
Screw me for not thinking about it at the time.
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I just upgraded from 8 which was terrible. There is absolutely nothing in "life at a glance" that I use, and it won't accept that my default browser should be chrome, but it's a lot better than 8 so far.
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Apparently Microsoft hasn't given up on the pushy upgrade pop-ups yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VMPeTrHNX1U
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They really have outdone themselves with the upgrade notices that are basically malware at this point. Also, anecdotes of machines upgrading without user interaction. There's a simple fix to avoid this, but it doesn't take away from the fact that an upgrade should be an opt-in, not a "we are going to harass you forever even if you ignore us" method.
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They really have outdone themselves with the upgrade notices that are basically malware at this point. Also, anecdotes of machines upgrading without user interaction. There's a simple fix to avoid this, but it doesn't take away from the fact that an upgrade should be an opt-in, not a "we are going to harass you forever even if you ignore us" method.
In their defense, if it's not brain dead stupid obvious, there WILL be someone who gets upset when they have to BUY the upgrade.
Plus, spyware, government kickbacks, etc...
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so today I updated my phone from 8.1 to windows 10 mobile.
I can still make calls and the weather app is prettier. It took about 4 hours to do the update ... which seems insanely long.
Anyway, I have nicer a weather app now and everything else seems to be much the same. Skype chat and text seems to have been amalgamated into one app.
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I keep forgetting that there are actual people who use Windows phones.
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I keep forgetting that there are actual people who use Windows phones.
I'm shocked they still make them.