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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wikipedia
« on: July 15, 2014, 07:39:35 PM »
Perhaps this is a matter for the Zetetic Council?

Why do people keep saying this about every single little issue that pops up?  No, it isn't, and the sooner we all forget about this stupid Zetetic Council thing the better.
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Thork was behind this whole thing. 
Which would mean we should vote his ass out.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 15, 2014, 02:24:44 AM »
Build me a PC that plays GTA IV on max settings at 60fps for $400 or less and I will convert.

That's sort of silly considering even consoles can't play GTA IV at max settings, let alone at 60 FPS.
This.
Remember the console versions will usually have different rendering technologies from PC versions.

Also console ports suck and often require faster hardware to compensate for poor coding in the port.

Oh and PS: the Xbox 360 had a whopping 512 MB of ram.  Just so you know.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wikipedia
« on: July 15, 2014, 01:15:04 AM »
Yes it does, but the I am unaware of the usernames involved. In any event, here is Daniel's case


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flat_Earth_Society#Misleading_edits_directing_visitors_to_an_alternative_site


I really am assuming that the admins are not involved. I'd just like them to weigh in and give out about it, basically. It's not good for anyone.
I doubt it.
Based on the user names I'd guess it's some random user.  Or a troll trying to stir up trouble.

Either way, there must be some mechanism to prevent people from altering a page repeatedly. 

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 15, 2014, 01:13:13 AM »
And if you had a Ps3 bought on release day, that game will still look the same on it.  What you just proved is that when given limited hardware with no upgrade capabilities programmers are able to cut corners and create more efficient code.  That's all it is, efficient code.  That pretty good looking game could have come out 10 years ago yet it did not.

That's either because A) the devs got better at coding for the system or B) launch titles are usually rushed. Not all gamers see graphics as the reason to purchase a gaming system, so it's not really relevant to this argument.

If this was about graphics PC would win every time. No one is arguing otherwise.
Wait... you AREN'T arguing about graphics?  Because that's really all consoles have.  If PC games can use 10 year old hardware then the cost of a PC becomes WAY cheaper.

I'm arguing that consoles are more convenient for gaming than PCs. You could use 10 year old hardware to play older PC games, yes, but if you wanted to play current games then you'd have to shovel out some money for upgrades. Buying a Ps3 and keeping it for 10 years is arguably less costly than keeping your PC up-to-date just so you can play Watch_Dogs with the draw distance at max. Graphics are relevant to games, true... but my argument is not "PC has better graphics so it's more practical for gaming".

PCs are more costly to the average consumer, so consoles are more practical for people low on funds or casuals. The entire console market proves this. Trends in gaming prove this. Consumers have proved this.
Convenient?  Yes.  I mean, what's easier than popping a disk into a drive and getting a game?  Or a cartridge into a port and pressing a power button?

However, I would like to point out that if PC software stood still for 10 years then the PC becomes much cheaper. 
The Ps3 remained the same price for quite some time.  PC hardware, however, did not.  So in 3 years that Ps3 is going to cost the same but the same PC is going to be cheaper.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Wikipedia
« on: July 15, 2014, 12:49:01 AM »
Doesn't Wikipedia log who edits a page?

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 15, 2014, 12:36:10 AM »
And if you had a Ps3 bought on release day, that game will still look the same on it.  What you just proved is that when given limited hardware with no upgrade capabilities programmers are able to cut corners and create more efficient code.  That's all it is, efficient code.  That pretty good looking game could have come out 10 years ago yet it did not.

That's either because A) the devs got better at coding for the system or B) launch titles are usually rushed. Not all gamers see graphics as the reason to purchase a gaming system, so it's not really relevant to this argument.

If this was about graphics PC would win every time. No one is arguing otherwise.
Wait... you AREN'T arguing about graphics?  Because that's really all consoles have.  If PC games can use 10 year old hardware then the cost of a PC becomes WAY cheaper.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 10:42:15 PM »
But on the flip side, your console is 10 years old and any game that comes out at year 9 could have come out at year 1.

This is not necessarily true. The Ps3 had some games that looked about as good as late PS2 games when it first came out. Now, there are several games that look pretty damn good on Ps3 that look infinitely better than early Ps3 games. The Ps4 renders games that look very close in quality to Ps3 games. Most of the PS4's library consists of Ps3 ports at this point. Surely, in 5 years we'll have games that look much better than what we are seeing now on the Ps4.
And if you had a Ps3 bought on release day, that game will still look the same on it.  What you just proved is that when given limited hardware with no upgrade capabilities programmers are able to cut corners and create more efficient code.  That's all it is, efficient code.  That pretty good looking game could have come out 10 years ago yet it did not. 

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 10:15:58 PM »
I've never had that problem, and I run a lot of very old games. I think we can reasonably assume that our hypothetical casual PC gamer has no need to worry.

Once he has his rig set up with the right parts and drivers, sure.

Another plus for consoles is that you don't need to upgrade your console every few years to keep up with the games that are coming out. Every 10 years you might have to buy a new console, but you don't have to worry about whether or not your rig can handle a specific game.
But on the flip side, your console is 10 years old and any game that comes out at year 9 could have come out at year 1.
By contrast, 10 year old games are very visibly aged and modern games use top of the line technology and can't easily run on 10 year old hardware.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 09:59:01 PM »
Consoles make gaming easier; It is the superior option out of the two choices.

Other than being less expensive (which is still debatable because of the high cost of console games), in what ways do consoles make gaming easier?

They are easy to set up, don't require much maintenance, and are user-friendly. Whereas PC games usually require a bit of know-how to get everything up and running smoothly. Not to mention the fact that if you want an affordable PC you would have to buy the parts yourself and assemble it yourself, which is tedious and requires a lot of knowledge on the user's part. Of course, you could pay someone to do it but that requires more monetary investment. Consoles work out of box as advertised with very little surprises. Also, handheld gaming makes gaming easier solely because you can travel and game at the same time, something that is impossible with a PC.

The shear amount of games for consoles also makes it easier for the consumer to find a game that they enjoy. Most of this has been covered in my previous posts. I feel like PC gaming has become a niche hobby at this point.

I've never understood this argument. What "know-how" is required to run a game in Windows? Also, there are obviously far more games available for PC. This is mostly because developing and distributing a PC game can be done by anybody without having to deal with Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Doctor Who
« on: July 14, 2014, 08:39:05 PM »
In general I'm in the "Doctor Who needs to end" camp. Anyway... Eccleston's Doctor was a three dimensional character who used his brain to solve problems. His actions actually had consequences throughout the series, which had a continuity that was complex yet still made sense. Tennant's Doctor was gradually reduced to nothing more than a costume and a few catchphrases, and his stories basically rely on their own extreme convolutedness in the context of the greater continuity (which is practically non-existent at this point) to justify the use of deus ex machina in the form of either the Doctor's powers or features of the Tardis, neither of which are ever brought up again. What little I have seen of Smith's series reminds me of Tennant but with worse stories, worse characters, worse special effects and more of that annoying River Song idiot.
The entire continuity was: Bad Wolf.
Seriously, that was the entire season in a nutshell.  The words Bad Wolf popping up everywhere.

It was marred with people killing themselves to stop the threat or the Doctor directly killing them.
The First Episode: Doctor Kills the giant plastic maker thingy.
The second episode: Tree lady kills herself to flip a switch.
The Third Episode: Maid kills herself to seal a rift.
The Fourth and Fifth episodes: A lot of important British people die and the Doctor has a missile fired at Downing Street.  Think that didn't kill a few innocent people?  Not only that but someone ELSE actually launched the missile, not The Doctor.
The sixth episode: The dalek kills himself. (thanks to Rose BTW)
The seventh: Human saves the day again but this time doesn't die.
8: Rose's dad kills himself.
9-10: Everyone lives.  (because mommy gives her boy a hug)
11: Deus Ex "villain is defeated"
12-13: The Doctor Lies and get's a lot of people killed (intentionally).  Rose does a Deus Ex.

Have you noticed a running theme? A human saves the day in most cases.  Not the Doctor, some random character.  And it's usually fatal.
In all 10 "stories"(I count two parters as one story for this count) humans(and one tree lady) save the day 8 times.  The Tardis in 1.  The Doctor in 1.

This is probably why you like it more.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 08:21:33 PM »
That is all incidental, and a circular argument. The reason many games exist for consoles is that people buy consoles. If people didn't buy consoles, there would be no gain in making games for them.

Your argument therefore boils down to "consoles make sense because consoles make sense".
Not quite.  Consoles make sense because there has been a growing market for consoles for more than 30 years.
PC games didn't exist 30 years ago?
Irrelevant.  Consoles actually made more sense 30 years ago because they were so much cheaper than PCs.

See my edit.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 08:00:25 PM »
On the general notion:
Consoles were a much better option back in the 70s-80s and even in the early 90s.  Computer hardware was expensive ($1200 for a Tandy 1000 in 1983 compared to $300 for an NES) and lacking Hard Drive space, you had to run everything on a floppy disk anyway so why bother buying a very expensive computer that could run games when a much cheaper solution was available?  Especially since PC programming was extremely tight.  Drivers were a pain to code.  And a program had to fit everything on a 5.25" floppy disk.

Granted, the NES wasn't exactly a complex machine even back then.  They could be made cheaply and require only one language with one hardware set.  PC gaming couldn't compete with the cost but it made up for it with more complex games, like Adventure Games.

Sega Genesis and the SNES were also big sellers and their graphics were pretty good for the time.  And what did the PC have?  Windows 3.0 and Dos.  Granted, there are some great Dos games of that era but getting them to work required actual knowledge of how computers worked.  You had to set your video driver (EGA, VGA, SVGA) as well as audio IRQs.  AND you had to usually type in command line text to get something running.  The console gave players ease of use at an affordable price.  And with both Nintendo and Sega not porting their games to PC for profit reasons(They'd be morons if they did), this was the start of the console exclusives.  Today, consoles aren't much different than PCs.  Just with very specific hardware designed for high resolution graphical rendering.  But they still hold that place of the "traditional" gaming machine.

As for the popularity of games.  As I'm sure most of the programmers here will agree, coding for one set of hardware under one OS is much easier than coding for multiple hardware types with multiple OSes.  Heck, just putting all the graphical options in the game(turning off anti-alising, render distance, sky effects, etc...) takes time.  On a console, you don't have to care about that stuff, just make it work on the one piece of hardware it needs to work on and you're done.  Debugging is far simpler and as such development is, theoretically, cheaper.

That is all incidental, and a circular argument. The reason many games exist for consoles is that people buy consoles. If people didn't buy consoles, there would be no gain in making games for them.

Your argument therefore boils down to "consoles make sense because consoles make sense".
Not quite.  Consoles make sense because there has been a growing market for consoles for more than 30 years.
PC games didn't exist 30 years ago?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Doctor Who
« on: July 14, 2014, 12:44:11 PM »
I think it would be great if they just skipped the hunt for Gallirey and jumped right into it. Make Gallirey the new hub of the show. I would like to see the Doctor interacting with his own species for once, not counting River Song because she sucks. It would also be a great excuse to bring back characters from the original series. Maybe bridging the generation gap among fans.

I think the series has a lot of potential now, it's just a matter of where the writers are going to take it. Judging by Moffat's track record it will probably be a train wreck.
Gallifrey was never a big part of the series.  Even before the 2005 version The Doctor only had a few arcs involving other time lords (minus the master). 

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 14, 2014, 03:05:44 AM »
Hey, look, yet another thread in which people simply can't understand why their own area of interest/expertise isn't universally acknowledged as basic common knowledge and shared by the whole world.  I'd love to be present the next time one of you has car problems:


"What, you can't fix it?  You don't even know what the problem is?  You're actually calling a garage?  [Insert shitty "mfw Guest mehmay here]  But it's so easy!  It's objectively trivial to fix an engine and get a car running!  Any drooling retard could do it!  There are kids who can handle things like this easily, and you can't!  How do you even manage to feed yourself when you're this stupid?"
YouTube makes everyone an expert at everything.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:41:24 PM »
At this point, PC gaming seems to be for modding and MMOs.

Not quite. The most played PC games are shitty MOBAs currently.

PCs are more expensive because they can do everything. The idea of buying a device dedicated solely to playing games when you could instead have a device that plays games even better AND allows you to read funny forwards from your aunts and look at cool maymays on 4chan (inb4 somebody points out that consoles have internet browsers also) is ridiculous. Sure, initially you save a few hundred dollars if you buy a console. Enjoy buying new games for $50 or $60.
Not to mention scratched disks.  God help you if you damage your disk.  We don't give half a fuck. :D

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: World Cup 2014
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:39:33 PM »
Yep, Germany had one awesome hit.  It reminded me of their game with the USA.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:37:55 PM »
Rushy, PC gaming is expensive to get into. That's not really an excuse. Average Joe 6 can't spend $700 out of pocket for a gaming rig. Most people find consoles to be the less expensive of the two and most of the games that are worth a damn are on consoles anyways. Granted, PC gamers do get some titles that are amazing but console gaming has grown so large now that most of the great PC titles are on consoles as well.

At this point, PC gaming seems to be for modding and MMOs.
2009:
Motherboard, CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and Video Card: $786.33

2014: Still getting decent FPS.

 When I do end up upgrading, I'll just get a new video card and maybe a SSD.  It's more expensive in the short term but that cost can be broken up over several years.  You don't have to plunk down $400 all at once like a console.  Not only that but most of the parts don't require upgrade such as power supplies, cases, and optical drives(if you get those anymore).

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Star Wars?
« on: July 13, 2014, 03:36:55 AM »
Just started watching that cartoon myself. It is pretty good,  certainly much better than the other cartoon series.
I just finished watching it again.

So good.  You can tell the animation was rushed but I fail to care.  The story is awesome.

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Technology & Information / Re: Xbox and Valve finally have their baby
« on: July 13, 2014, 03:35:41 AM »
Don't be retarted. Digital sales have already surpassed physical sales in the U.K. Don't forget that a huge portion of the game market comprises casual mobile games.
I don't count casual mobile games in that only because they aren't the traditional market of consoles or PC games.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Star Wars?
« on: July 13, 2014, 12:32:48 AM »
Do I need to watch the movies first?
Its set between episode 2 and 3.  So you should watch those two first.

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Is this what I should be watching?
Yep.

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