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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What Religion are you?
« on: December 08, 2013, 10:24:35 PM »
I'm not trying to prove Judaism. I'm only arguing that proposing the universe just got here is like saying the watch you found had no maker.

we know the watch had a maker because we've seen watches before and know them to be man made.

It wouldn't surprise me if the first sundial however was natural.


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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Zetetic Council
« on: December 08, 2013, 10:21:04 PM »
If a zentic council is formed, doesn't that essentially mean a few society is being formed?
I would have thought so. What Daniel has to do with it I don't know?
Because, like it or not, Daniel is the president of "the world famous Flat Earth Society".  This would become a new, upstart Flat Earth Society.

So world famous that most people would say "Daniel who?"

I'm not sure it would take as much effort as you suppose to become the new official flat earth society.

What is the timeline of the flat earth society anyway? How exactly did this Daniel fellow become the official president for life?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nelson Mandella is dead
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:21:19 PM »
I dont beleive that. Prove it! He loved evereyone. And once again trying to give the white man credit for it when it was Nelson mandelas actions ::)
for one read his book and for the other how do you think he got power if it wasn't given by the White government and it wasn't seized violently?

They spent years negotiating the end to apartheid and even had a whites only vote on it which passed.
Once again you didnt prove it ::) And Nelson was the man behind it all he daserves full credit evereyone else were rascist idiots

I don't need to prove it.

So what if I quoted sections of his book? You could say I was lying or taking them out of context, If i could find internet links you'd simply say they were false or others lying.

I've explained reality and I'm happy to leave it there. That's the beauty of reality, just because you can't see it doesn't change it one jot.

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You sound like modern day Americans.

There's a big difference between saying it when you look into the past and saying it when you look at the flaws of the present.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nelson Mandella is dead
« on: December 08, 2013, 05:08:40 PM »
I dont beleive that. Prove it! He loved evereyone. And once again trying to give the white man credit for it when it was Nelson mandelas actions ::)
for one read his book and for the other how do you think he got power if it wasn't given by the White government and it wasn't seized violently?

They spent years negotiating the end to apartheid and even had a whites only vote on it which passed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Which Economic System is Best?
« on: December 08, 2013, 12:26:54 PM »
It's cheaper than martial law?

Plus I suspect people in government quite like movies too.

Possibly. Although I somewhat doubt the government would take risks by filming $300 million dollar movies.

What about innovation?

When we had film cameras in an era monopolized by Kodak, someone else developed digital cameras to compete, eventually taking over the market. Today digital cameras dominate.

If the world had film cameras, sold and supplied by the government, and private enterprise did not exist, why would the government ever pour money into R&D in attempt to compete with itself? It seems like we would stay at the same technology level forever.

Slight question, perhaps I should have lead with this one but, in communism... what government?

The camera firm would be run by the camera workers, which would be people who were good at and wanted to make cameras. One of them would invent the digital camera and the workers would vote on whether it was a line of research that could be productive and worth pursuing OR the guy that thought of them would continue working on them in his shed at home.


In the Russian bastardized communism someone still invented Tetris.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch
« on: December 08, 2013, 12:23:32 PM »
Would you care to cite this law, please?  To the best of my knowledge, rocket engines above a certain thrust level are regulated, but the technology itself not secret.

Just as you said, rockets past a certain threshold are restricted. See the wikipedia page on Model Rocket Motor Classification. Anything past O requires government oversight.

"High-Power rockets in the United States, are only federally regulated in their flight guidelines by the FAA"

the FAA, because they regulate pretty much anything big that flies, they're not a fan of you flying stuff into planes, it makes for depressing headlines.

All you need is a license, a flight plan and proof your contraption is safe, same as a helicopter, plane, or zeppelin.

The blueprints for the custom development of the Saturn V rocket engine are not available to the public, locked away as a state secret.

The plans for NASA's specific rockets are kept confidential yes, but then are the plans for pretty much all commercial craft, that doesn't mean other people can't build planes, helicopters or rockets. You just can't build the governments specific rockets (unless you can somehow reverse engineer one).

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I think Ireland could have done without Britain. We'd eventually have gotten to where we are, from observation of those around us, I think.

where you are being economically in the shit you mean?


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What Religion are you?
« on: December 08, 2013, 11:57:01 AM »
Incidentally, racially, Jews are like Hispanics, in the sense that they can be white (like Costa Ricans), brown (like most Mexicans), or black (like many Cubans).

That's probably because Judaism is a religion, not a race. How many times do I have to tell people this? Why does so much of the world think Jews are a race?

Jewish can be both an ethnic group and a religion but not all ethnic jews are religiously jewish and not all of the Jewish religion are ethnically Jewish.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch
« on: December 07, 2013, 05:49:26 PM »
There's also a large difference between the American government information on it specifically being classified and them actively preventing other people from doing their own research.

All government documents have a level of classification but that doesn't mean nobody else can do the exact same things independently.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Hebrew conception of Earth.
« on: December 07, 2013, 02:41:20 AM »
Well, I'm inclined to believe what is clearly written in Torah, & whose land it is is pretty clearly spelled out.

as was the sky being held up by the mountains....

Make your mind up.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic
« on: December 07, 2013, 02:33:17 AM »
So 6 years of $23M budget is still slightly more than half of the $300M which has been pumped into VG.  You don't think they had to build in safety margins to ensure the survival of their highly trainer pilots?  They had to keep these pilots alive for extended periods of time, sometimes lasting almost two weeks away from Earth.  These flights that VG are supposed to be launching will last several hours maybe upwards of a day tops?  I'm not saying it's easy to do what VG wants to do, but I'm not seeing why it should take them a third longer and almost twice as much money to do a fraction of what the lunar mission was.

The up and down is the hard bit. Compared to that hanging about in space is easy.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Hebrew conception of Earth.
« on: December 07, 2013, 02:31:41 AM »
Well, I don:t think the book was intended to be a science book. The point wasn't to teach facts about the planet. If that were the case, he'd have taught us about jet engines & how to fly. The text would be literally millions of pgs long, w/ every single part of our lives mapped out. We'd be robots, w/o free will. No, God gave us only that knowledge we needed. The rest is for us to learn.

And if we learn that land is just land and that where we live is a lot less important than how we live?


well wouldn't that be a fine thing for some people and places.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nelson Mandella is dead
« on: December 07, 2013, 02:30:00 AM »
How could you say he was a terorist he was vary peaceful!!! He loved people of all races he was 100% not rascist your the rascist so shut up!!!!!

Read his own words.

He was an advocate of violent terrorism before and during his time in prison.

He admitted it himself, if you ignore that you do the man an injustice.

He may have loved people of all races but he did not love all people.


As for apartheid, it took two races to end it, both the whites and the blacks. People tend to forget that it wasn't just nelson Mandela working miracles.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Nelson Mandella is dead
« on: December 07, 2013, 02:23:20 AM »
And what the heck do you mean your not a fan? Are you a rascist?
Nelson Mandela was a terrorist and I am white. He did nothing for whites. He was the racist. Be careful with the accusations you throw about.

How was he a terrorist?

well I'm not sure there's any conclusive evidence that he actually undertook any direct terrorist actions but he was a staunch advocate for terrorist and repeatedly put forward his support for violent action even when in prison.


Apartheid was nothing nice, & needed abolished, but what they have now is even worse.

What do they have now?
A country where black people are financially 15% worse off than under apartheid(according to a quick google).


So you are saying you can go twice as long without being raped there than you can in the lovely USA...

If you ignore relative populations then sure.

Of course if you ignore relative populations then Afghanistan is less violent than the rest of the world put together

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Hebrew conception of Earth.
« on: December 06, 2013, 07:13:12 PM »
I'm not sure the shape of the Earth was relevant to the points God was making. After all, you're talking about people that were not likely to travel 50 miles from home in a lifetime. Even traders weren't going to go out of the Levant much or @ all.

Seems a little short sighted, wasn't he trying to make a book for all time?

Or should we chuck sections of it (like this one) away as outdated?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Hebrew conception of Earth.
« on: December 06, 2013, 06:41:01 PM »
So god didn't know how his words would be interpreted?

He didn't know the best way to get his true meaning across?

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The Hebrew conception of Earth.
« on: December 06, 2013, 06:20:34 PM »
Alchemist, I expect you're right. I'm an REer myself, although for a short time I was prepared to give FET a chance. Well, their points are not provable, @ least to me. But, I still find the ancient Hebrew conception fascinating.

Indeed, you'd think god would have told them something a bit more accurate when he was doling out wisdom to be put in his holy books.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Virgin Galactic
« on: December 06, 2013, 06:19:33 PM »
Has low Earth orbit changed so much in the last +50 years that we had to reinvent the wheel?  Can you tell me exactly how my reasoning is flawed?

I think they'd like a bit more comfort and a few safety margins.

I mean the original NASA missions were pretty lucky they had as few problems at they did (plus a hell of a budget).

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: SpaceX commercial satellite launch
« on: December 06, 2013, 04:07:28 PM »
SpaceX can't be truly private since rockets which can reach orbit are a classified technology.
Exactly which parts of this technology are classified?

The advanced rocketry necessary to get into space is, as a whole, a controlled technology. It is classified, and as such, the government does not allow public publication of this technology, or private development. After all, a Saturn V is 98% identical to an ICBM

well the simple answer is that it needs a hell of a lot of thrust and a decent guidance system..

The latter was the main thing that held back rocketry for a long while.

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