1

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 06:48:27 PM »

That's unfortunate for pretty much everyone. But yes, a largely stupid population voted for a stupid thing for stupid reasons. The fact you think that's a good thing is...odd.
I mean, Trump is pretty funny. But if you think that someone being voted in to power because they're funny is a good thing then you're part of the problem.

Humor is used for multiple puropses beyond the sake of humor. I gave an example of the Kim Jong Un summit and how humor was used to gain the upper hand. Trump's use of humor has won him multiple debates, in final striking blows against his opponents, showing that he is the smartest and most dymanic candiate for the job.

I've read the Constitution. It's not that long. It says who gets citizenship. It doesn't say that anyone specifically has a right to keep their citizenship, or that it can't be stripped away from them. There is nothing about "must be kept" or "must be maintained". This would go to the Supreme Court.

Actually, it has gone before the Supreme Court in the birthright citizenship case. You know, Trump’s challenge to the 14th amendment.

While you’re reading the Constitution, please point out where revoking citizenship is a power granted to the president in particular or the executive branch in general.

Here is Google AI's interpretation of the 1898 case:

"The landmark Supreme Court case regarding birthright citizenship is United States v. Wong Kim Ark, decided in 1898. This case affirmed that the 14th Amendment's citizenship clause grants automatic citizenship to anyone born within the United States, regardless of their parents' citizenship status. "

The keyword is that someone is granted citenship. Being granted a license isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the license regardless of how you conduct yourself. Being granted a certificate of land ownership isn't a guarantee that you get to keep the land forever, regardless of how you conduct your finances or eminent domain considerations. There are a hundred examples where designations are not permanent.

Further, a US Citizen can choose to give up their US Citizenship, proving that citizenship isn't absolute. If it were absolute you would not be able to give it up.

Please don't use AI.  It's stupid.

Also, you can give up your right to remain silent.  But it can't be taken.
Same with citizenship.  No where does it say it can be taken away.  Given away, yes, but not taken.

Otherwise, the next dem could take away Trump's citizenship and deport him to El Salvador.

2

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 05:08:08 PM »

Claiming acts of driving and tax payments are somehow analogous to acts of banging an intern at the office

That's not what I said, but look, whatever. Nothing I'm saying is getting through to you, so if you really want to believe that Clinton is a left-wing totalitarian because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky, then fine, go ahead. The rest of the world knows you're wrong.

On the other hand, there is a compelling argument to be made that the far left should be stripped of citizenship and deported.

No, there really isn't. It's blatantly unconstitutional on the face of it and horrific on an ethical level. That being said, if he wants to do it, then he'll do it. The courts won't stop him, Congress won't stop him, and his fans won't stop supporting him. They will never stop supporting him. That's why I'm not excited about the backlash Trump is getting over Epstein. His fans will fall in line within a week or so.

Yeah but if Dems get back in power, revenge time.

Like, the next dem president could execute Trump at the inauguration for reasons of him being a domestic threat, arrest and deport every maga member, deny allowing any voting to be secret ballot, then, to top it all off, have ICE protect itself by killing any protesters.

Which is all the apparent power Trump now has.  Or he assumes he does.

3

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: Today at 11:26:22 AM »

How big of a pussy do you have to be to consider Rosie O'Donnell a threat to humanity?

“Because of the fact that Rosie O’Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship. She is a Threat to Humanity, and should remain in the wonderful Country of Ireland, if they want her.”

Isn't she a Trump supporter?

Also, how the fuck can anyone be ok with Trump just deciding American Citizens aren't citizens anymore?

4

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 10, 2025, 05:34:24 PM »

Sadaam, you clearly stated Clinton was a centrist.

Laws governing sexual conduct in the workplace are set by PLOTICIANS (spelling error purposeful).

Therefore, the behavior has everything to do with political ideology.

It was the act of a domineering totalitarian, certainly not a centrist.

LD, we've pretty much exhausted the Stormy Daniels story. She is a lying cunt.

Sexual harassment.
Not actual sex between two conscenting adults who both want it.

Unless you wish to show me the law prohibing sex in the workplace.

5

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 10, 2025, 01:46:43 PM »

^kramer thinks banging a pornstar is something evil.

LMMFAO!!!

Trump seems to think so, otherwise he would 't have tried to hide it.

Probably because he was married when he did it.  And not to the porn star.

6

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 09, 2025, 02:57:35 PM »

Clintons are "centrist."

What a fucking joke of a take.

Whether they are or not, the weird thing is you seem to be evidencing your position that they aren't by the fact Clinton had an affair with an intern.
"He cant be centrist! He got a blow job in the oval office!".

What the hell are you talking about? How are those two things linked?
Try "He can't be a centrist, he did <insert non-centrist policy he implemented here>"

No no he's right.  Only right wing folk have affairs.  Left are faithful.

7

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 09, 2025, 07:39:22 AM »

It's a matter of politics, certainly, but not of policy.

Yes, of course.

There are no government policies regarding sexual conduct in the workplace.

Between two conscenting adults?  Sometimes but that exists in every business as well so I'm not sure I'd call it a government policy if private sectors do it as well.

8

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 10:32:16 PM »

my french buddy, chip, let me know how to handle these things but it isnt really appropriate for the forum.

also page 666. nice.

Trump is now satanic.
Fact

9

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 07:39:23 PM »

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

I couldn't find a direct promise by Trump to release the sex trafficking client list. I found this from 2024:

https://mynbc15.com/news/nation-world/trump-teases-releasing-epstein-client-list-if-elected-id-certainly-take-a-look-at-it-bill-clinton-jeffrey-prince-andrew-rfk-jr-island-plane-stephen-hawking-donald-election-2024-sex-trafficking

“It’s just very strange for a lot of people that the list of clients that went to the island has not been made public,” Fridman said.

“Yeah, it’s very interesting, isn’t it?” Trump said.

“So if you’re able to, you’ll ---” Fridman began.

“Yeah, I’d certainly take a look at it,” Trump said.

Since Trump had access to everything as President, his specific wording matters. Trump doesn't say that he there is a specific client list of people who rented children from Epstein through sex trafficking that the government is withholding. There is list of people who went to the island that is being witheld. We already have a lot of those names who went to the island, which are hundreds of celebrities and rich people.

The list of people who went to the island was released in 2023.

Pamela did say there is a list.  So .. there's that.

10

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 06:57:31 PM »

When the affair is taking place with an intern in the workplace, that most certainly is a matter of politics.

Trump is having an affair with an intern in the Oval Office?

What the fuck are you smoking?

LMMFAO!!!

And what is the political stance, then?

11

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 04:21:48 PM »

Clinton a "centrist."

Explains the blow job (it is a perfectly acceptable policy to have sex relations with your intern) and Janet Reno (of Waco fame).

Again, what in the living fuck are you smoking?

I was not aware a sexual affair is a valid political position.
What does that make Trump, then?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

This has been happening for almost two decades now. Epstein was convicted for sex trafficking 19 years ago, and since then his list of associates was continually threatened to be released, but then somehow not released. At this point we can only hope that the wealthy clients are being snatched under seal in a massive honeypot of self incrimination.

It is suspect to me how a man who didn't even have a company website obtained hundreds of millions of dollars, giving credence to the claims that he was part of an covert operation designed to gather blackmail against the rich and powerful. If true, the system will never allow the details of this to be fully known and expose itself, no matter who is President.

So you went with the 'This was intentional and Trump is playing 4D chess' but with alot of maybe.

But since both Trump and Pam said they have the evidence, it's clear they were lying.  You wouldn't say you have something then say you don't as a honeypot for the people on the list.

12

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 08, 2025, 09:59:36 AM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

Curious how Tom will spin this.
Official story?
Democrat edits?
Hillary Clinton?

Or will they finally start to question if Trump, who was president at the time, had a hand in it...

13

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 07, 2025, 07:35:35 PM »

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

What does that have to do with his policies? Clinton ran as and governed as a centrist, and thirty years later, Democratic presidential candidates are doing the exact same thing.

I also don't believe that Elon was ever especially liked or admired by the left.

That explains all the Democrats in Chicago parading around in Teslas with bumper stickers declaring, "I bought this before Elon went crazy."

WTF you smoking, anyway!?!?

LMMFAO!!!

People once being willing to buy his cars without being judged hardly makes him some kind of hero or leader to the left. Think about it this way - if the head of, say, Ford, suddenly made the news for saying and doing a bunch of horrible things, you'd probably see a similar level of embarrassment among Ford owners and an eagerness to distance themselves from him. That wouldn't mean that the head of Ford was someone they had especially liked or admired before. As I've said, I've only ever heard that Elon used to be beloved by the left from conservatives. He's been heavily criticized by leftists for several years, long before he ever bought Twitter or publicly embraced Trump.

As a leftist, I hated him long before he bought Twitter.

14

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 07, 2025, 01:36:56 PM »

Sadaam - "Clinton-era centrism..."

Getting blown by an intern while seated behind the desk in the Oval Office is a very "centrist" thing to do.

LMMFAO!

Arkansas governor's office.

15

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 06, 2025, 10:42:15 PM »

Just an aside:

Cuomo is a dick and isn't well liked in New York.

16

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 03, 2025, 10:37:40 PM »

what lessons are there to learn?

Like: Rural hospitals really really really need medicare money to keep the doors open.

17

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 03, 2025, 08:23:25 PM »

Welp, it passes the house without issue.

So Trump got what he wanted.

I'd day good luck America but honestly?  I hope you reap what you sow and if it's bad (it will be), you all suffer and know it's your own fault.

18

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 02, 2025, 06:15:45 AM »

It's fairly absurd by any measure to claim that a billionaire is not a good businessman. Even the claim that he received a jumpstart through millions from his father just means that both Trump and his father are good business men.

His father?  Yes.
But you'd be amazed how far you can get riding on someone else's coat tails.

19

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 01, 2025, 02:45:18 PM »

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-u-could-send-165839463.html

So...
Trump has given up on getting 90 deals. (Did he get any?)

And is just gonna write letters to Mr. Country and tell them what he decided.  No negotiation needed.

20

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: June 29, 2025, 08:19:46 AM »

Sounds like obliterate means “cause a few months delay”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79qeqg89g2o

Ha!  The most successful military strikes in history?  By what fucking measure?  Because the dropping of the two atomic bombs, which made Japan surrender, was the most successful strikes in history.

Two bombs ended a war.