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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: December 16, 2016, 10:21:21 PM »

And always funny to hear FEers talk about Rounders not understanding 'their model' as if it is a model based on some kind of faith.

That's a nice strawman you've made. A pretty common RE tactic.

Spherical earth is a fact

Well it sure is tough to argue with that irrefutable logic.

Damn it, you can even SEE the curvature of the earth if you possess eyesight and a double-digit IQ.

Where and how can you see the curvature? And how is IQ related?

In the meantime, FEers dont even agree on their model.

It's almost like different people can have different thoughts or opinions...

They cant create a map, cant explain the sun, the moon, the horizon

Actually, FEers have created several maps. The sun, moon, and horizon have been explained. You should try searching the forum.

or explain how a billion people in 'the conspiracy' can keep quiet about it, nevermind explain WHY it would be kept quiet.

Why would there be a billion people involved in a conspiracy?

I will answer two of your questions. Curvature. yes, you can see it and it has been witnessed about a gazillion times. But I have noticed that FEers cant see it no matter how pronouced. We see it from aircraft - but FEers dont. We see it from space, but FEers dont. We see it on very large fat areas, but FEers dont.  So yes, billions of people have seen the curvature.

Low IQ.  It is an observation that FEers tend to be poorly educated and of below-average intelligence and/or have mental health challenges. EVERY SINGLE ONE. If you can find me a prominent scientist who is a FEer I will retract that claim forthwith.  ad when I mean scientist I mean university educated and qualified, not some self-proclaimed 'scientist' with a year 8 education

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The concept of Universal Acceleration can't work

« on: December 16, 2016, 10:15:27 PM »

There are a million and one objections to UA the first of which is that it is plain nuts. another is what happens to the rest of the universe which must also be undergoing the same UA or we would disappear out of our solar system in a day and out of our own galaxy in our lifetime.

Occams Razor was made for times like this. Gravity works and explains everything.

That's not how it works at all. You really should inform yourself better before making such assertions so you don't look so foolish.

It's also apparent that you don't understand Occam's Razor, either.

Occams razor was BUILT for arguments like this. Gravity is simple, consistent, measurable and simply works perfectly in explaining our observations. UA however is very complex, unexplainable, totally inconsistent and doesnt explain many observations at all while being contrary to most.

You dont even need Occams Razor here. UA is demonstrably false and hopelessly unprovable while gravity is the complete opposite. It might also be why no actually university trained scientist supports UA.

That's a cool opinion, but you've provided no evidence to support your claim. Feel free to do that anytime.

Touché.
Just as you have never shown any actual evidence for Universal Acceleration, other than not liking gravitation, go guessing that is must be something else.

Which might be why quite a few flat earthers are desperately looking for a better "solution":
         "Aether push" - Sandokhan.
         "Aether something or other", JRowesceptic.
         "Denspressure" - sceptimatic (Sceppy) and quite a few others.
         "Things just have a natural propensity to fall down" - a few have actually claimed this.
         "Newtonian Gravity over an infinite flat earth" - John Davis.

And more ideas? You are "free thinkers" after all?
Of course, I am forgetting the thoughtful fantasiser, farolero.
         "gravity is just centrifugal force"
         "gravity is just inflation" just a perverted versiob UA.

But all is not happy in the UA camp.

You've failed to make any actual point here, or even put forth an actual argument. Your conjecture about what others believe is irrelevant. Maybe try having a discussion instead of the strawman you've constructed here.

It's not a strawman at all. All you ever do is make wild unsupported claims and then expect everyon else to simply believe and accept it as truth. Just as Rab has said, you never prove ANYTHING.  Quite simply, gravity is by far the easiest and most consistent explanation for our universal observations while UA and all the rest of the ludicrous FE delusions faile at every single point.  If you are to give the scientific method even the slightest touch, none of your assertions pass.

Im happy for a full and detailed discussion but the point is that you need to provide DETAILS. Actual detailed explanations of your silly hypotheses and see if they can survive the heat of actual debate and scientific rigour.

But we all know what you will do.... complain about strawmen, people you dont like. NASA etc

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Flat Earth Community / Re: what if the erath is flat and newton lied and gravity is just inflation

« on: December 16, 2016, 10:09:57 PM »

Do you have a brother called Intikam?

LOL I was thinking the same thing about his drug-induced opening post.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The concept of Universal Acceleration can't work

« on: December 16, 2016, 09:05:18 AM »

There are a million and one objections to UA the first of which is that it is plain nuts. another is what happens to the rest of the universe which must also be undergoing the same UA or we would disappear out of our solar system in a day and out of our own galaxy in our lifetime.

Occams Razor was made for times like this. Gravity works and explains everything.

That's not how it works at all. You really should inform yourself better before making such assertions so you don't look so foolish.

It's also apparent that you don't understand Occam's Razor, either.

Occams razor was BUILT for arguments like this. Gravity is simple, consistent, measurable and simply works perfectly in explaining our observations. UA however is very complex, unexplainable, totally inconsistent and doesnt explain many observations at all while being contrary to most.

You dont even need Occams Razor here. UA is demonstrably false and hopelessly unprovable while gravity is the complete opposite. It might also be why no actually university trained scientist supports UA.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Various questions

« on: December 16, 2016, 09:00:32 AM »

Fine, yet every single flight time nearer the equator is longer than every single flight time further away from it. That seems quite coincidental if the earth were flat.

Are you sure?

Yes exactly. It disappears over the horizon, as the earth spins on its axis away from it. If the earth were a flat stationary disk and the sun were revolving around above it. It would never disappear over the horizon. And if it did, it would become extremely small before it did. Because on a flat earth, the sun is just moving closer and farther, therefore it would appear larger and smaller, and it would appear as a star in the sky at night and then revolve around again and get larger in appearance again. A spherical earth spinning on its axis explains the path and appearance of the sun the way we observe it while a flat disk earth doesn't.

So which is it? Does the sun disappear because the horizon blocks our view of it due to the rotation of the earth or does it simply move out of our range of sight?

Just because four of five pieces of furniture in a room are chairs doesn't mean the fifth piece is a chair (And various condescending remarks)

Of course the fact that every other heavenly body in the universe being a sphere isn't proof that the earth is a sphere, but it would definitely be logical to assume so.

Can you prove this? (More condescending remarks.)

Of course. But if that object isn't the earth, then why couldn't we see this object? If an object were so large that it cast a shadow on the entire moon, how could it be that we couldn't see this object? And if it is the earth, why is the shadow always curved if the earth is flat? I have yet to see a reasonable explanation for either a lunar or solar eclipse based on a flat earth.

The shadow object is about a quarter the size of the sun and is too close to the sun to see. It casts a shadow over the entire moon because of the "shadow puppet effect."

As I said, take a globe and spin it once every 24 hours. That will show you how fast it is. Have you ever watched something take 24 hours to rotate one time? It is extremely slow. The earth is so large that one rotation around its axis in 24 hours would not even be noticed. We wouldn't even know the spinning were occurring except for the fact that we see the sun and stars moving around us.
 So yeah, like I said, what's the big deal?

I don't know.

Why dont you just check out published flight times and conform it for yourself? Oh I forgot, every airline in the world is in on the conspiracy and all the passengers are hypnotised or put to sleep and... oh whatever.

And the problem with the rotating earth spinning at 1000miles per hour is pretty simple to understand, but it does require some basic acceptance of science so that will probably not work for you.

And to continue your truly silly analogy... if you are in a room with 1 million chairs and you are sitting on 'something' but cannot see it, you would assume you were sitting on a chair. Dont say you wouldnt. You would. Particularly if it felt like a chair, was the same height as a chair and the entire visual universe for you was composed of chairs. Of course not. YOU would think you were sitting on a playmat and frankly, i suspect that is literally true.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Russia Wants To Send People Back To The Moon In 2031

« on: December 16, 2016, 08:50:41 AM »

If manned lunar landings were so easy in the 60's and 70's why has no one else done it? Or why haven't we done it since Apollo Missions?

No one claimed that it was easy. In fact, it was really, really expensive, which is why no one else has done it since, including us.

I can imagine many different scientific benefits to experimenting technology or developing it on the moon.

Like what? We already have the ISS for zero-g experiments.

The other problem was that the success of the moonlandings was getting there and getting back safely. UNfortunately, the moon offers little else beyond a place to plant a flag. Mars however...

What does Mars offer? Besides no atmosphere and no magnetic field...

What does Mars offer? Maybe you should aquaint with the reasons so many countries and agencies want to go there. It DOES have an atmosphere albeit thin. It has gravity and a near 24hr rotational cycle. Also, it is the only planet we can reach capable of supporting life.

So what does Mars offer???  A chance to explore and increase our knowledge. it has ice caps, probable water in aquifers.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: December 16, 2016, 08:47:30 AM »

Isnt the entire notion of a 'reasoned approach to flat earth' ridiculous in its own right?

No.

If reasons comes even close the FE the entire thing is demolished.

Objectively false. It's always cute when round earthers who barely have an understanding of their own model come here and make an assessment along these lines.

And always funny to hear FEers talk about Rounders not understanding 'their model' as if it is a model based on some kind of faith. Spherical earth is a fact  and not subject to reinterpretation or faith. Damn it, you can even SEE the curvature of the earth if you possess eyesight and a double-digit IQ. In the meantime, FEers dont even agree on their model. They cant create a map, cant explain the sun, the moon, the horizon or explain how a billion people in 'the conspiracy' can keep quiet about it, nevermind explain WHY it would be kept quiet.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Russia Wants To Send People Back To The Moon In 2031

« on: December 16, 2016, 05:20:32 AM »

If manned lunar landings were so easy in the 60's and 70's why has no one else done it? Or why haven't we done it since Apollo Missions?

No one claimed that it was easy. In fact, it was really, really expensive, which is why no one else has done it since, including us.

I can imagine many different scientific benefits to experimenting technology or developing it on the moon.

Like what? We already have the ISS for zero-g experiments.

The other problem was that the success of the moonlandings was getting there and getting back safely. UNfortunately, the moon offers little else beyond a place to plant a flag. Mars however...

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Flat Earth Community / Re: The concept of Universal Acceleration can't work

« on: December 16, 2016, 05:17:25 AM »

There are a million and one objections to UA the first of which is that it is plain nuts. another is what happens to the rest of the universe which must also be undergoing the same UA or we would disappear out of our solar system in a day and out of our own galaxy in our lifetime.

Occams Razor was made for times like this. Gravity works and explains everything.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: December 16, 2016, 05:10:24 AM »

CHL is always entertaining, but he has the unfortunate tendency to say what the groups he's addressing "must" believe rather than what they *do* believe. He ends up debunking a strawman, and his follower base is not critical enough to verify his assumptions.

I'm not at all keen on his attitude,
He's a bit too much like those terrible videos from Eric Dubay, Jeranism and TheMorgile for my liking, though these are full of so many errors of simple fact that they lose all credibility.

I came here partly to escape those videos and find a more reasoned approach to the flat earth.

Isnt the entire notion of a 'reasoned approach to flat earth' ridiculous in its own right? If reasons comes even close the FE the entire thing is demolished.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: gravity is just centrifugal force

« on: December 16, 2016, 05:08:23 AM »

there are not time zones, thats another deceipmnet i posted this yesterday at 2:30 am and in two hours had zero visits

the sun rised simultaneously in all the wolrd in the moning and then i had 50 visits

im a noctamble, i know theres nearly nobody gaming online late at night

And I thought intikam was a weirdo!  Now, timezones dont exist either!

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Flat Earth Community / Re: gravity is just centrifugal force

« on: December 16, 2016, 05:06:25 AM »

here a model that explains how gravity is just centrifugal force:



gravity is an invention from newton that probably was a mason

IM not quite sure you understand what a 'scientific model' is. A pencil drawing on a piece of paper isnt one.

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Flat Earth Community / Re: Cool Hard Logic - Testing Flattards - Part 1

« on: December 12, 2016, 08:42:21 AM »

Cool Hard Logic begins a 4 part series debunkning FE Theory.  Right off the bat, it looks like did not research much here, because he is missing some of the more sophisticated solutions to the problems he points out.  Still some good points are made and he is a funny dude.

Other than his derision of FEers, what do members think are the good/bad points he makes in this video?

Brilliantly done and funny as.  its not like it is hard to debunk flattards, but he did it with great humor.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Other forum is hacked by "Mister Somebody"

« on: December 12, 2016, 07:48:18 AM »

It was probably hacked to remove access to initkam's unbelievably insane nonsense.