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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What religion do you practice?

« on: April 24, 2022, 07:13:40 PM »

Pastafarianism

Thats not really a religion, its a parody

You might change your mind when the Flying Spaghetti Monster greets you in the afterlife.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: What religion do you practice?

« on: April 24, 2022, 05:22:32 PM »

Pastafarianism

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground

« on: April 23, 2022, 01:01:14 PM »

I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.

You misunderstood my point slightly. My contention with stack is that he goes out of his way to Google for images that support his assumptions and posts them as if they were authoritative evidence.

The answer here isn't for me to do his work for him. That just lets him carry on being an intellectual slob.

I would guess that Stack evaluates the images he posts the same way anyone researching would.  He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found, it was from a well known and respected source, one that matched hundreds of other images and sources, the software mentioned he could evaluate himself, and likely match his own observations and make new ones.

Simply asking "Prove it" is unhelpful as you could reply with that to any post on any subject, and repeat endlessly for any answer given.  After all it's impossible to prove anything, except when using pure formal logic such as math.

If you have a doubt about the authenticity of his image, perhaps you could elaborate on your reasons and evidence instead.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground

« on: April 23, 2022, 12:50:18 AM »

With Scott Ferguson's observation, specialized software wasn't used to "see" the ISS. It was used to predict the position of the ISS.

Prove it.

https://transit-finder.com/

I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.

If you don't want to take my word for it, you can try it out yourself. The software is free and you can get a small telescope and cell phone adapter for $50 to get a moon transit shot.

The software doesn't have anything to do with the picture itself, you use your own camera for that.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground

« on: April 22, 2022, 04:33:39 PM »

Well, I am still researching this so I didn't want to prematurely mention it, but I suspect that there are multiple dirigibles. As they move around some can "go dark" and not be visible. The "space station" is not always visible. Even round-earthers agree that you can't see it in day time.

No we do not agree. What is your source on this?

I can see the ISS during a bright and sunny day, I've even taken pictures of it as have many others. This is easily proven.

You can't even make the ISS go dark because it will pass in front of both the Sun and the Moon and be visible no matter how dark you make it. Even painting it with Vanta Black isn't going to help hide it's silhouette.

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: ISS Photo From The Ground

« on: April 21, 2022, 11:45:10 AM »

Could you imagine what the weight of a rope would be that would be heavy enough and long enough to restrain the space station in orbit?

This is an interesting question.  We could take a look at a lot of the space elevator tether research to get an idea of what could be theoretically possible. Carbon nanotubes come pretty close to the maximum strength of a material we might be able to produce in long segments someday.  That could probably be strong enough to fling a balloon around at 17,000 MPH. But it doesn't exist, yet.

It's hard to guess how long the tether needs to be as Pongo hasn't stated in his theory any distances and altitudes.

I'd say it's unlikely any current material is light and strong enough to perform such a feat. I don't think even spider silk could do it, but without any numbers to crunch it's all guesswork.

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Flat Earth Media / Re: SpinLaunch - new way to launch satellites into orbit?

« on: April 18, 2022, 05:28:33 PM »

It's a pretty cool idea, but the jury is still out if this can be scaled up large enough to launch useful payloads into orbit.

I personally don't think it's going to ever work for anything large and no way in hell will you ever put a human on this thing, but if they can get micro-satellites up there that would still be very useful.  Their current results are impressive but from the videos I saw the test launch avoided total disaster by a hair and wasn't as much as of success as they claimed. The payload looked out of control to me.

Still, props to them for actually building this thing and trying it.  Even if it eventually fails we will still learn plenty.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« on: April 18, 2022, 11:37:04 AM »

Oh yay, more lies from Putin's propaganda news website.  I just don't understand why people worship men like him.  What is the attraction?

It's called a cult of personality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality

I understand the concept, I just can't see what the draw to men like Putin and Trump is. They don't look strong to me, they just look like assholes. Their power is entirely based on throwing other people under the bus and sacrificing them for their own personal gain. Why would anyone want to attach themselves to someone like that who is clearly just going to use you and throw you away the moment you're no longer useful to them?

Putin looks weak to me.  It's like conservatives think that eagerness to pull the trigger of a gun is strength, when it's just fear.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« on: April 17, 2022, 10:10:55 PM »

Putin says Happy Easter...Kinda

"In its ceasefire proposal, the Russian military said that the remaining troops are in a “hopeless situation, with virtually no food and water,” citing the contents of hundreds of radio intercepts on Saturday alone. The holed-up fighters allegedly “persistently request permission from the officials in Kiev to lay down their arms and surrender,” while the Ukrainian authorities “categorically forbid it under the threat of wartime executions,” Moscow claimed."

https://www.rt.com/russia/554005-russia-mariupol-surrender-terms/


When they surrender Mariupol today, Putin will have a Kangeroo court extract world wide knowledge of who was who inside.

Christ has Risen !

Oh yay, more lies from Putin's propaganda news website.  I just don't understand why people worship men like him.  What is the attraction?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« on: April 17, 2022, 11:57:12 AM »

Test the limits of direct warfare with Russia. Smart.

Putin is the one testing the limits here.

Do you think the entire world should just sit back and let a crazed dictator invade country after country? That's not smart.

Only a moron would think he's going to stop at Ukraine. He's already threatening more countries.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Russia doesn't invade, they recognize Donbass Republics: send in peacekeepers !

« on: April 15, 2022, 08:21:29 PM »

Can you imagine what the rest of the world would be doing to Russia right now if it wasn't sitting on a stockpile of nukes?

They would have gotten kicked right back across the border and all their ships within range of Ukraine sunk in the first week. Any Russian plane coming close to the border would be flaming wreckage.

Putin sure has done a good job of showing the world just how outclassed they really are.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 02, 2022, 11:34:52 PM »

I didn't ask you to quote what he said, I asked what you thought he meant.

Copying what someone else wrote is no replacement for actually answering a question. Try and use your own words.

He was pointing out your first-grade teacher wasn't talking to you about issues relating to his/her private life outside of the school and if they were, they were unjustified in doing so.

You got that, from this?  "Yes, I don't doubt you that your first grade teacher taught you all about your body."

It's pretty clear you are just paraphrasing what was discussed earlier in the conversation, as none of what you just said was mentioned in the quote above.  Try telling me what that quite means without copying bits of the conversation before it.

Yeah, that is what I got from it.

Try to learn to read using inference and stop quoting the goddamn post and use your own words rather than quoting, since those are the rules you like.

So the answer is no, you don't really understand what he was saying there since you can't use your own words to describe it. You also seem to be confused between the difference between quoting with proper attribution, and stealing someone elses work and presenting it as your own.

Thanks for making that clear to everyone.

Ironic you are telling me not to quote people, while quoting me doing it.

Irony does not negate truthfulness.

Quite a lot of that going around today.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 07:58:33 PM »

I didn't ask you to quote what he said, I asked what you thought he meant.

Copying what someone else wrote is no replacement for actually answering a question. Try and use your own words.

He was pointing out your first-grade teacher wasn't talking to you about issues relating to his/her private life outside of the school and if they were, they were unjustified in doing so.

You got that, from this?  "Yes, I don't doubt you that your first grade teacher taught you all about your body."

It's pretty clear you are just paraphrasing what was discussed earlier in the conversation, as none of what you just said was mentioned in the quote above.  Try telling me what that quite means without copying bits of the conversation before it.

What's sick is you advocating for sex education in schools for pre-k through third grade students.

Maybe you should just go ahead and change your screen name to Aqualung and get it over with.

As a matter of fact, just dole out #1, #2, etc, to the lot of you.

You might think it's sick for a lesbian teacher to mention she's married, but I don't.  Just like it's not sick for a straight teacher to mention she's married.  Nothing wrong with either of those. People get married, do you think children shouldn't know this?

If you think one is sick, that's your problem.  Teaching children to be homophobic is sick.

Hyperbole is your best friend, I see.

Coming from you, that's pretty ironic.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 05:39:29 PM »

If what he said really went over your head, I'm not going to be the one to explain it to you.  Ask Tom what he meant.

I know exactly what he meant.

What was sick about it?

I said ask Tom, I'm not going to explain it to you.  Feel free to explain what you think he meant if you want to.

He stated, writing directly to you, and I quote:

I didn't ask you to quote what he said, I asked what you thought he meant.

Copying what someone else wrote is no replacement for actually answering a question. Try and use your own words.

What's sick is you advocating for sex education in schools for pre-k through third grade students.

Maybe you should just go ahead and change your screen name to Aqualung and get it over with.

As a matter of fact, just dole out #1, #2, etc, to the lot of you.

You might think it's sick for a lesbian teacher to mention she's married, but I don't.  Just like it's not sick for a straight teacher to mention she's married.  Nothing wrong with either of those. People get married, do you think children shouldn't know this?

If you think one is sick, that's your problem.  Teaching children to be homophobic is sick.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?

« on: April 01, 2022, 05:07:21 PM »

That's what hypocrisy is, using one set of standards for your evidence, and another for everyone elses.  Is that more clear?

If I was doing that, then yeah...but I am not...so, it isn't.

So you do agree that multiple flat earth maps are a reason to dismiss them?

Why would I do that?

I happily agree that all RE maps are invalid. Unless you have just one you want to settle on.

Because you had an issue with two people giving you different ideas as to the source of noise, and claimed that meant it was invalid.

I never claimed one or the other was invalid.

Quit making stuff up.

You said "Turns out you RE have no solid, definitive explanation at all." as a response to those comments where you told them to make up their mind. 

I suppose that means you agree that "Turns out you FE have no solid, definitive explanation at all." as well?

So why won't you do the same with all the conflicting flat earth maps? That's being a hypocrite.

Because I understand that all maps have inaccuracies.

Nothing hypocritical about it.

Maps based on a globe Earth don't have the continents in wildly differing places. Or missing continents.

I've never presented you with two conflicting maps of the world, the single map I use is a globe. The distance between Sydney and New York is the same on every map I use. But feel free to start a new discussion if you want to talk about that.

Yeah, stop introducing nonsense. You don't carry around a globe, checking on your destination as you go along.

First, you don't actually know I don't carry around a physical globe everywhere I go. It's possible.

Second, I carry the dataset of a globe based map in my pocket.  Just like you don't carry around a folded map of a flat earth to navigate, you use the same map I do which is based on spherical coordinates. Lat and Lon. Even any flat map you might have in your pocket will be based on those coordinates.

So yes, I have all the data of a globe map in my pocket, and use it to navigate.  Just like billions of other people do every day.

Just another instance of the ole "internet etiquette," crap I see.

You are getting your millage out of this one aren't you.

Don't make a statement and then complain when someone picks it apart.

If someone actually picked apart my statement, then you would have a point.

Denial isn't a counterargument.

It is when what is claimed happened didn't actually happen.

It's still denial if presented without argument or evidence.  A simple denial in the end is just denial.

Yeah, whatever.

As usual, what you claim happened, did not happen. Just another entry into the list of lies you have presented in this forum.

Again, that is a simple denial now with the addition of calling me a liar.  Please present your evidence of my latest 'lie' or stop accusing me of being a liar.

Internet etiquette and this.

Two instances.

That's another circular argument.  I lied because you said I lied. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 04:56:07 PM »

If what he said really went over your head, I'm not going to be the one to explain it to you.  Ask Tom what he meant.

I know exactly what he meant.

What was sick about it?

I said ask Tom, I'm not going to explain it to you.  Feel free to explain what you think he meant if you want to.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 04:46:11 PM »

Maybe you want to think about what inside you made you say something like that.

I'd surmise it was a brain.

The internet etiquette thread is tuning up and I just wanted to drop a reminder.

Yes, but I want to know what kind of thoughts made him post a sick comment like that.  It was really uncalled for.

What was sick about it?

If what he said really went over your head, I'm not going to be the one to explain it to you.  Ask Tom what he meant.

Tuning up?  Are you trying to lure other people in to fight your battles for you?

What battles? You're no longer involved with writing internet etiquette!?!

I find that hard to believe...

What does that have to do with trans-athletes?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 04:35:41 PM »

Maybe you want to think about what inside you made you say something like that.

I'd surmise it was a brain.

The internet etiquette thread is tuning up and I just wanted to drop a reminder.

Yes, but I want to know what kind of thoughts made him post a sick comment like that.  It was really uncalled for.

Tuning up?  Are you trying to lure other people in to fight your battles for you?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: ECHOSTAR (Private Satellite) Earth footage?

« on: April 01, 2022, 04:27:15 PM »

That's what hypocrisy is, using one set of standards for your evidence, and another for everyone elses.  Is that more clear?

If I was doing that, then yeah...but I am not...so, it isn't.

So you do agree that multiple flat earth maps are a reason to dismiss them?

Why would I do that?

I happily agree that all RE maps are invalid. Unless you have just one you want to settle on.

Because you had an issue with two people giving you different ideas as to the source of noise, and claimed that meant it was invalid.

So why won't you do the same with all the conflicting flat earth maps? That's being a hypocrite.

I've never presented you with two conflicting maps of the world, the single map I use is a globe. The distance between Sydney and New York is the same on every map I use. But feel free to start a new discussion if you want to talk about that.

Don't make a statement and then complain when someone picks it apart.

If someone actually picked apart my statement, then you would have a point.

Denial isn't a counterargument.

It is when what is claimed happened didn't actually happen.

It's still denial if presented without argument or evidence.  A simple denial in the end is just denial.

Yeah, whatever.

As usual, what you claim happened, did not happen. Just another entry into the list of lies you have presented in this forum.

Again, that is a simple denial now with the addition of calling me a liar.  Please present your evidence of my latest 'lie' or stop accusing me of being a liar.

Your best argument is that you think it could have been faked, therefore it is fake. That's a circular argument.

Again, what is your reasoning for this video being fake?  I asked you in the quote above, and you failed to provide your evidence or reasoning.

My evidence is it could have been faked and there are multiple acknowledgments, even from the op, this is correct.

You simply repeated yourself here, saying it is faked because it could be faked. That was, and still is a circular argument. Do you not understand what a circular argument is?

Yes, I do.

You don't.

Based on you failing to understand the several attempts to explain it to you, no you do not.

You claiming an image is fake because images can be faked and you said so is a circular argument.

Anything could be faked, that's not a valid reason. Football players COULD all be Disney-built animatronics, but that doesn't mean they are.

Again, other than you simply saying it CAN be faked, do you have any supporting evidence the video is faked?

Yes, prior admitted fakery.

The best evidence for future performance is prior performance.

NASA and entertainment industries fake shit all the time for sake of performance.

So now your argument that this video is fake is that because you say other NASA videos are fake. All without providing a link to any of these other fake videos or any proof or evidence whatsoever.

This again, boils down to you saying it's fake because you said it's fake. It's still a circular argument.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: LGBT School Teachers

« on: April 01, 2022, 03:41:50 PM »

Teaching first graders about life isn't part of the curriculum?

Since never. Teaching first graders about sexuality isn't part of the curriculum. Standard sex ed isn't even taught until the fifth grade.

This entire thread is a perfect example of why this sort of thing should be taught early.  Children aren't born hating gays and lesbians, they learn it, they are told to hate them. Told it's a perversion, it's evil, that their own bodies and feelings are evil.

Then you have adults who think it's terrifying if a child hears the word penis.  News flash, boys have them, even as children. They aren't ashamed about it any more than they are ashamed they have a thumb. All that shame and self-loathing is taught to them.

Teaching children that their own bodies are evil, that's a perversion.

Yes, I don't doubt you that your first grade teacher taught you all about your body.

Maybe you want to think about what inside you made you say something like that.