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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: March 24, 2017, 11:56:19 PM »
If Trump and his wife are not regularly sleeping together that is Trump's choice, not hers.

This statement is almost as dumb and misguided as "Nobody knew health care could be so complicated."

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 26, 2017, 03:03:48 AM »
And, as you also said, it has not happened with "no harm done" - by your own claim they get assaulted on the regular regardless of which bathroom they use.

w0w0w0w that's some damn logic gymnastics you got goin' on there bud lmao

You know good and well that the argument against allowing trans people in the bathroom that corresponds with their gender is about cis people's safety, not trans people's. It'd be downright delusional to suggest otherwise.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 26, 2017, 02:11:17 AM »
I would agree that laws allowing people to use the restroom that corresponds with their gender aren't necessary if states and businesses didn't make laws and policies that disallowed trans people to use the restroom that corresponds with their gender. As I said before, trans people have been using public restrooms for as long as trans people and public restrooms have existed. Had North Carolina (there may be an earlier example, I cba to check at the moment) not tried to endanger trans people, then I would definitely find bathroom laws superfluous. But alas, that is not the case.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 26, 2017, 01:34:51 AM »
Therrrre we go, now you've said what you mean, kind of. Thanks.

It's more about the right to safety. Safety from assault (in both bathrooms of one's gender and bathrooms of one's sex, because trans folks do experience harassment and assault in both) and safety from health issues like UTIs that are the result of avoiding public bathrooms altogether.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 26, 2017, 01:21:23 AM »
i am legit confused about what point you're trying to make then lol

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 26, 2017, 12:24:04 AM »
The "human rights" element of this debate is extremely nuanced. What you mean is "the self-proclaimed rights of the people I like".

Are you saying trans people don't deserve certain rights? I'm not being accusatory here, I'm actually asking.

I don't frequent ladies' bathrooms, so I can't say for sure. I've witnessed the converse on too many occasions, however.

Okay... And the harm done was what, exactly? You appear to be unscathed.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 25, 2017, 08:38:30 PM »
You either didn't read it thoroughly before posting (in which case fair enough, I take my accusation back), or you forced that paragraph out of your mindset in order to channel your frustration more effectively.

I guess it's a combination of the two; I skimmed for the important bits of information, and seeing how that explanation is completely unsatisfying it didn't stick in my mind as important. Human rights > States' rights, always.

I strongly doubt that a blatantly male-presenting person could use the ladies' bathroom with "no harm done", be it with Obama's "be tolerant or we'll defund you" guidance or without it.

I'm not really sure to what you're referring. This happens?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 25, 2017, 07:05:05 PM »
This is something you know about, because we've talked about it in detail back when he said it in the first place, and because it's outright stated in the article you've linked. To claim that this is a flip-flop now is extremely disingenuous.

Ah, yes, I'm so disingenuous for not remembering the exact contents of a conversation that happened between us almost a year ago, regarding an event I didn't even remember had happened until until three days after a relevant follow-up event when a news article reminded me. I mean, I know I have memory problems, but I'm pretty sure a normal person wouldn't have remembered that either.

But, fair enough with regards to the "shouldn't be a federal issue" thing. To be honest that seems like a convenient veil for "I need to pander to my religious/conservative supporters," but whatever. The rollback is disappointing regardless of its reasoning. I mean, trans people have been using public bathrooms for as long as trans people and public bathrooms have existed, with no harm done. It suddenly becoming a political issue is stupid, on both a state and a federal level.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: February 25, 2017, 02:26:18 PM »
So my initial reaction to Trump's rollback on trans rights a few days ago was a kind of bleak acceptance, because, y'know, of course. But then today I remembered what he had said back in April of last year and I got mad. Not surprised, but mad.

As a side note, after reading the first article I linked today, I was pleasantly surprised to find out that Betsy DeVos was initially against this decision, even if she did eventually cave. I didn't realize that she's been quietly but consistently pro-LGBT for years.

My posting this is more about the flip-flop than the bathroom issue itself, but in case anyone feels inclined to challenge that the rollback is a problem at all, let me say this: unless you're as adamant about protecting people from sexual assault outside of bathrooms as you are inside of bathrooms, you don't really give a shit about sexual assault and just can't admit that you're uncomfortable with trans people. Also, the narrative that trans people, or people "pretending" to be trans, frequently assault people in bathrooms is a fabrication, and in fact trans people are actually frequently the victim of assault in bathrooms.

Technology & Information / Re: Which Phone Are You Using?
« on: February 09, 2017, 03:35:05 PM »
If you don't like it when it's old, then the only logical conclusion is that you also didn't like it when it was new.

That isn't true. Things become outdated. You can like it when you first get it, but then like it less once it's been worn with age, or like it less once something better comes out.

How quickly it wears down with age could be a testament to its quality, but that doesn't mean someone didn't like it when it was new.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 30, 2017, 03:02:49 PM »

lol.  jesus fucking christ.

Lol, reminds me of something my cousin said in a Facebook comment recently:

Quote from: mollete's cousin
If someone told a serial frozen treat eater that the ice cream truck was going to stop coming on Tuesday you would have a stampede of tasty treat bandits bum rushing the truck on Monday. Same thing goes for this travel restriction, If Trump announced that a ban for those countries would start next month you would have a mad rush of people trying to squeeze in. It makes total sense to me to throw up a "travel wall" while they figure it out.

(this, btw, was in response to something I said that had nothing to do with how much notice should or should not have been given before the ban)

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 26, 2017, 06:14:49 PM »

This isn't a trumpy thing, but I still think it belongs here since it's another country's response to one of his actions.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 07:29:12 PM »
I mean, TTioH could have a bit of a point in that it may be irresponsible for news organizations to have opinion/blog sections on their websites and not have them be more immediately recognizable as distinct from their actual news (especially when, as Lord Dave pointed out, readers are lazy morons), but claiming that they're not distinct at all isn't correct.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 06:32:13 PM »

Looks like WaPo are trying really hard to cement their place on the "news organisations not to be taken seriously" list.

This article is not only in the Opinions section, it's in a subsection of the Opinions section called "ComPost," which is given the description "a mix of opinion and humor from Alexandra Petri." This is speculation, but "ComPost" appears to be a play-on-words that likens the articles to compost, the organic garbage/fertilizer.

So I'd say that you're right in that the author of these articles probably isn't trying too hard to be taken seriously, but I don't believe that that's synonymous with WaPo not wanting to be taken seriously in this case.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 04:17:06 PM »
Well, since you quoted a single post (mine, about DAPL), you can perhaps see why that's why people may think that's the post to which you were referring.

And your invitation to PM was followed by a tirade against Trekky.

You certainly are flailing around with all these edits and misuses of quotes.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 04:08:53 PM »
"That's great"? You claimed that my post was about Trump's executive orders. I'm just letting you know that that was not the impression I intended to give.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 03:59:22 PM »
A post about DAPL.
A particularly cherry-picking approach to the truth, but in face of your rising levels of desperation, I can see why you'd go for it.

My post was about DAPL.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 03:39:02 PM »
It's only a non-problem now, after Trekky addressed your misleading ambiguity.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: January 25, 2017, 03:33:28 PM »
Allow me to clarify: I was misled into believing that you were implying that Trudeau was talking about DAPL and not KXL. I had not double-checked as to whether or not that was the reality yet because I was getting ready for work at the time, but I wouldn't have been under the impression that Trudeau was talking about the DAPL until I actually found a source other than you saying so.

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