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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: Today at 01:35:43 AM »

Dark Brandon rising...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 05, 2022, 09:26:50 PM »

Yeah.  It's unfortunate that Russia doesn't have a real film industry.  I would love to see ww2 war movies from their perspective.

Jude Law, Ed Harris and some other people would like a word.

The fact that I've never heard of this movie, I assume it's Enemy at the Gates, proves my point.  When I look at the number of dead from each country, ww2 looks almost like a fight between Germany and Russia with a bunch of other countries peripherally involved.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Old Politicians

« on: August 04, 2022, 06:55:38 PM »

Yeah.  It's unfortunate that Russia doesn't have a real film industry.  I would love to see ww2 war movies from their perspective.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 09:02:07 PM »

There was a story about confusing wording but I don't think it was about the ballot measure.  I think it was some marketing firm in Nevada that was pushing some PR blitz where they misrepresented what the amendment was intended to do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 03:53:16 PM »

Obviously Kansas doesn't represent America.  It's much worse than that.  Kansas represents the part of America that would theoretically be all for repealing anything that would keep abortion legal.

Would you care to elucidate?

Sure.  But I think Stack probably beat me to it.

The GOP has made the eradication of abortion one of their main long term goals for decades.  They assumed that the majority of Americans would be behind this.  But if Kansas is any indication then really only Sharia Republicans support this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: August 03, 2022, 01:59:02 PM »

Obviously Kansas doesn't represent America.  It's much worse than that.  Kansas represents the part of America that would theoretically be all for repealing anything that would keep abortion legal.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked..

« on: August 01, 2022, 06:50:49 PM »

In a Christian school the moral of that story is if God tells you to commit an atrocity then you must commit an atrocity.

It wouldn't be phrased that way, however, as if it's something God is doing (or telling someone to do) it is, by definition of God being all-good, not an atrocity.

That brings us to the Euthyphro Dilemma. 

If the only criterion for determining if an action is good or not is because God said it then God could pretty much demand that you do anything.  i.e. killing your own children.  I would describe that as an atrocity.  But because God command it then it's righteous. 

Some people might counter that God would never command that.  But 1.  He definitely did.  And 2.  If he wouldn't then why?  Is there some morality God follows?  That sort of implies that morality exists independent of God.

A more practical problem with divine command theory is who speaks to God and who speaks for God?  In the Mormon church, supposedly, the president of the church speaks to God.  He could just one day say that God commands that Utah be a sovereign nation and the Mormons need to ethnically cleanse Utah of all non Mormons.  Anyone Mormon who disagreed with that wouldn't have a leg to stand on.  They're not the ones who speak directly to God.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Terrible Political Memes

« on: August 01, 2022, 06:21:12 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked..

« on: August 01, 2022, 05:01:42 PM »

Interesting point of view.  My perspective is a little different.  I was educated in a fundamentalist Christian school up until high school.  Obviously the indoctrination didn't stick but I believed it at the time.  So when it comes to stories like the Binding of Isaac my opinions on them are pretty intense.

You may read a story like that the same way you might watch an episode of Evangelion. 

I read a story like that with the understanding that it's taught at every Christian Sunday school in a very uncritical way.  In a Christian school the moral of that story is if God tells you to commit an atrocity then you must commit an atrocity.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked..

« on: August 01, 2022, 06:51:36 AM »

You must have had a different religious education than I did.

In my religious education, The Moral of Job is that if life give you a complete beat down then just take it with a smile. Because it's God's will.  I doesn't matter that it was just to prove a point to Satan.  As a human our place in the world is to withstand any suffering and explain it away as God's plan.

Something similar to how a human trafficker should not only be obeyed but revered.  Because the human trafficker can inflict great violence and pain upon the trafficked.  And this ability to make your final moments horrible and snuff out your life at a whim is indistinguishable from God.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked..

« on: July 31, 2022, 09:32:33 PM »

It's difficult to interpret the book of Job charitably. A lot of people probably heart the story when they were kids and just accepted it.

If you took any reference of God or Satan out of it and read it to an adult who's never heard it before I think they'd see both parties as being monstrous.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Devil's Horns hand sign... why are they all doing it?

« on: July 28, 2022, 03:45:27 PM »

Doesn't shock me at all.  Clearly all these miscreants have been smoking marijuana cigarettes and listening to Rock and/or Roll!

Marijuana cigarettes, goofballs, yellow jackets, gorilla biscuits, windowpane acid...
Who knows what kind of junk these freaks are on.

Indeed.  And then they all settle in for a night of Satanic worship, otherwise known as playing Dungeons and Dragons.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Devil's Horns hand sign... why are they all doing it?

« on: July 28, 2022, 02:26:11 PM »

Doesn't shock me at all.  Clearly all these miscreants have been smoking marijuana cigarettes and listening to Rock and/or Roll!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 27, 2022, 07:00:31 PM »

The building wasn’t empty, evacuated yet...

There was just ‘40 feet between the vice president and the mob’ on Jan. 6, Aguilar says

“Approximately 40 feet. That’s all there was, 40 feet between the vice president and the mob,” said Rep. Pete Aguilar (D-Redlands). “Make no mistake about the fact that the vice president’s life was in danger.”

Video footage from the Jan. 6 insurrection displayed during the hearing showed the mob chanting “Hang Mike Pence,” as they stormed the Capitol. Another rioter yelled into a camera, “You f—ing politicians are gonna get dragged through the streets.”

Anyone can see that there are several walls there between Pence and the protestors. The fact is that nothing happened to Pence and his security detail succeeded.

Exactly.

I mean... attempted murder.  Really?  Do they give out Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bye Bye Abortion

« on: July 26, 2022, 04:01:48 PM »

With a 6-3 majority I think the supreme court will quickly get over impediments such as shame and apparent hypocrisy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 26, 2022, 04:00:12 PM »

Since he could have brought them there in minutes with a simple phone call, but did not do so, clearly he did NOT want them there.

Wait...you were just saying how the president is in charge...

How did the National Guard get there if the President didn't want them there?

Trump only let the National Guard show up after his insurrection failed.  During the time it had a shot at succeeding he was happy to do nothing and see what happens.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump

« on: July 25, 2022, 01:56:52 AM »

You are quoting things that Miller said in that passage, not Trump. Trump wanted sufficient numbers of National Guard and Soldiers at the protest.

To fight for which side?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden

« on: July 24, 2022, 02:36:29 PM »

Hey that big fat ass of his might have saved this country. What if he was actually capable of walking to congress on January 6?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: July 21, 2022, 03:08:25 PM »

If by "dispose of it" you mean the 2nd ammendment, then your hypothetical is nonsensical because no branch of government can unilaterally change the constitution, so who cares?

By "dispose of" I mean disposing of the Fed because they became too tyrannical. Violating the second amendment might be one reason, yes.

Question along the same lines; Isn't the fact that a citizen can't own an F-15 or a tactical nuke an infringement of our second amendment rights?

During the time it was written the equivalent of billionaires in those times could own fleets of armed vessels and train and equip their men with weapons, so it is arguable that the founding fathers would not put restrictions on F-15s.

In regards to nuclear weapons, this may fall outside of the scope of what the framers envisioned. The second amendment gave the public the ability to act as a military power against a tyrannical government. But nuclear weapons fall outside of the classification of normal arms, as even the militaries of foreign countries are prohibited by international regulations from building and possessing nuclear weapons beyond the countries which already had them, since their proliferation could cause nuclear winter and human extinction. The usage of nuclear weapons against human targets is also tantamount to genocide, even if used solely against military targets, due to atmospheric and land-based radioactive effect, would provoke an international response, and is extremely taboo.

Nuclear weapons are not necessary to wage a serious war, so this limitation is generally accepted by the militaries of the world, and semi-successful efforts have been underway for the eventual mutual denuclearization of existing nuclear powers.

That's a bit of a maximalist interpretation.

So in the US it's currently illegal to do pretty much anything with explosives without an explosives license.

Does this infringe on the second amendment?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Are the American police out of control?

« on: July 20, 2022, 04:17:06 PM »

Incorrect.

If things were bad enough that people were rebelling against the Fed it is also likely that states would ideologically secede and the military bases in the opposing areas would align with the rebellion, as what happened during the civil war. Therefore the conservative rebellion would also have its own "F-15s", and also a civilian army of millions of people with guns. The liberal side would have F-15s and no millions of people with guns.

Also, the number of people with guns generally outnumbers F-15s and major military hardware thousands to one.

Question along the same lines; Isn't the fact that a citizen can't own an F-15 or a tactical nuke an infringement of our second amendment rights?

In order to counter the power of a hypothetical tyrannical government it's reasonable to allow for a comparable armed insurrection.  Insurgents in Afghanistan used a lot more than stuff you'll find at a hunting good store.  IEDs, RPGs, cold war era stinger missiles.  Why do you focus on small arms?  Shouldn't you be pushing for legalizing the sale of suicide vests at Walmart?