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Since my analysis concluded that sunsets could never happen, the analysis is wrong in your view, why would you want my analysis?  This is your chance to shine.
It is decidedly apparent to all here that you have simply made a statement that flat earth does not allow for a setting sun.

Simple statements like this qualify more as an Angry Rant, "erth rund," type of approach.
Action80, you have chosen option 1.  This informs me that you accepted the claims without doing any analysis.  Anyone that had done the analysis would be giddy to share their results.  Thank you, Action80.  You have confirmed, yet again, that flat earthers generally accept flat earth claims without critical analysis.
Projection fails to aid you in your quest for ansswers.

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Not surprisingly, the OP reveals itself to be another case of RE stomping their collective feet, outrageously demanding an explanation from FE for something they claim to have already analyzed in depth.

I did not claim that. Your question was, paraphrased "Have you accounted for atmospheric variables?", directed toward McToon. I've fielded the same question in the past, with regard to my own observations, phrased in different ways. My response is always to ask - "How do you suggest I do that?", and after that, everything goes silent. 

Do you have any method for accounting for the things that you say McToon (and possibly I) should be accounting for?

If you don't, do you have any basis for suggesting that they have any effect, at all, on the observation?  I want to know if my eyes and camera are misleading me, so tell me what I should be looking for.
Yes, I have a basis for stating the atmoplane is a variable affecting the appearance of objects to individual viewers located at various distances from the object(s) in question.

I am relatively confident you and everyone else has heard of mirages, for instance.

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How did you account for air quality variables between yourself and the sun during your period of observation?
Can you suggest a method or methods for doing this?
I analyzed these claims.
How did you account for air quality variables between yourself and the sun during your period of observation?
Air quality variables?  You mean like particulate matter, humidity and temperature?  These, under normal physics, would have a negligible effect on the apparent elevation of the sun.  I can only assume that MC Toon was using normal physics as there is very little offered from the FE perspective.
I analyzed these claims.
I think you're missing the point. The question in the OP is, "So I come to you, dear flat earthers, looking for the correct explanation for flat earth sunsets."

The question is not, "What is it about my empirical assessment that you find ambiguous or faulty." So once you answer the OP question, then comes the discussion as to how one arrived at whatever explanation. But the OP question should be answered first otherwise there is no discussion to be had.

So what is your correct explanation as to how FE sunsets work?
I analyzed these claims.
Not surprisingly, the OP reveals itself to be another case of RE stomping their collective feet, outrageously demanding an explanation from FE for something they claim to have already analyzed in depth. One goes so far as to label the analysis as using  "normal physics"!

Another steamy pile.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: September 28, 2022, 09:29:21 PM »
How did you account for air quality variables between yourself and the sun during your period of observation?

You seem to have neglected to read my post.

I am giving flat earthers an opportunity to showcase how sunsets work on flat earth.  Since all the analysis I did conclude that sunsets are not possible, you will clearly disagree with my results.

So, please show the process YOU personally went through to critically analyze the claimed mechanism for sunsets on flat earth.

You did critically analyze the claimed mechanism for sunsets on flat earth, right?

The analysis you personally did showed that sunsets are possible, right?

Otherwise, you would never have accepted them, right?

All these things are supported by empirical evidence, right?
Your OP is entitled "Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets"

My question directly deals with how comprehensive your observations were.

I have accepted nothing.

You have offered no true analysis of the two possible causes.

I just asked you a direct question related to one of the issues you claimed to have analyzed and you dismissed it out of hand.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: September 27, 2022, 11:41:54 PM »
How did you account for air quality variables between yourself and the sun during your period of observation?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: September 26, 2022, 09:12:12 PM »
What year?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 26, 2022, 08:59:25 PM »

Given the US is not currently holding anything of real value, they go deeper into debt (aka unfunded liability).


You’ve written a lot of stupid things and this is one of them. How you can think the US holds nothing of value is comepletely beyond me.
Do you own anything that is currently in hock?

The US owns nothing currently, including land. It is all in hock.

You should have saved your nonsensical post to begin with.
Federal land is currently owned by a pawn shop?
So are all the federal buildings?
Oh dear.  That must be the richest pawn shop in existence.
Being in hock describes collateral. Banks hold collateral.



Rama, the dollar is NOT anything but a private banks fiat currency. They are called the Federal Reserve Bank.

Okay, this isn't true, either. The Federal Reserve is not a private bank. It's an independent board organized by the government that interacts with private member banks.
Wrong, real wrong.

The Fed is a totally private banking institution that allows the government to appoint members to its board. Seven board members or governors for 12 independent regions.

This is just a great quote.  Its as you as possible.
Tell someone he's wrong then contradict yourself in the next sentence. XD
Private institutions can have government-appointed board members. It does not make them government agencies.

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Comprehensive explanation for sunsets
« on: September 26, 2022, 08:09:24 PM »
I published a video last week examining the claimed "most comprehensive flat earth sunset explanation".  The video I reviewed simply said that perspective was the main cause of sunsets.  Then offered refraction as the second cause.

I analyzed these claims and found they didn't explain sunsets at all.  I did the math for perspective and concluded that perspective demands that the sun could never get close to the horizon.

I examined the effects of refraction, which cause things to appear slightly higher, not lower.

In the comments of my video, several flat earthers were angry at me and declared that I just didn't understand flat earth.

I don't want to misrepresent the flat earth position. So I come to you, dear flat earthers, looking for the correct explanation for flat earth sunsets. 

Since I have already done the math for perspective, there is no need to just say "perspective".  Instead, please provide the full geometry-based method to properly explain how the sun appears to cross the horizon.

Further, I have read the wiki page here on the topic:
https://wiki.tfes.org/Sunrise_and_Sunset

This provided nothing testable.

I read Rowbotham's work.  It simply makes claims about perspective without a plausible mechanism.

I read the Electromagnetic Acceleration page.  It lacks empirical supporting evidence.

Any answers I receive may be featured in the follow up video.

Thank you in advance.
Here is my video in case you want to point out the correct methodologies:

Provide the constants used in the math you performed for perspective.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 26, 2022, 07:58:20 PM »
Rama, the dollar is NOT anything but a private banks fiat currency. They are called the Federal Reserve Bank.

Okay, this isn't true, either. The Federal Reserve is not a private bank. It's an independent board organized by the government that interacts with private member banks.
Wrong, real wrong.

The Fed is a totally private banking institution that allows the government to appoint members to its board. Seven board members or governors for 12 independent regions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 26, 2022, 07:57:07 PM »

Given the US is not currently holding anything of real value, they go deeper into debt (aka unfunded liability).


You’ve written a lot of stupid things and this is one of them. How you can think the US holds nothing of value is comepletely beyond me.
Do you own anything that is currently in hock?

The US owns nothing currently, including land. It is all in hock.

You should have saved your nonsensical post to begin with.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 06:13:11 PM »
Going to take this as a sign that you figured out saying the US "produces their own funds" is complete nonsense...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 05:56:29 PM »
It’s truly a mystery. Best of luck figuring out this most enigmatic of problems.
I have it figured out.

You exchange something of equal value.

Given the US is not currently holding anything of real value, they go deeper into debt (aka unfunded liability).

This leads back to the first post you made.

Just utter BS to believe a nation-state can exist with unfunded liability.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 05:19:36 PM »
The US produces their own funds. You know that right? Please tell me you know that.

Please explain how the US "produces their own funds".

You fucking dolt, they have a mint.

I don't see the relevance and I look forward to bringing "produces their own funds" to its logical conclusion where you realize that the US government cannot do that.

Let's use something simple: a gold coin. Say the US government wants to mint a gold coin. Where does it get the gold?

It’s a complete mystery. No one knows how to acquire gold. I hope you figure it out.
Everyone knows how to acquire gold.

So do you.

So, where do you get your gold, if you were to want some?

If everyone knows, why don’t we just move on to the next part of the discussion?
Okay, the next part of the discussion is how you obtain it.

They are not giving it away, to my knowledge.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 03:16:26 PM »
The US produces their own funds. You know that right? Please tell me you know that.

Please explain how the US "produces their own funds".

You fucking dolt, they have a mint.

I don't see the relevance and I look forward to bringing "produces their own funds" to its logical conclusion where you realize that the US government cannot do that.

Let's use something simple: a gold coin. Say the US government wants to mint a gold coin. Where does it get the gold?

It’s a complete mystery. No one knows how to acquire gold. I hope you figure it out.
Everyone knows how to acquire gold.

So do you.

So, where do you get your gold, if you were to want some?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 07:51:05 AM »
Could have something to do with how you define a nation-state.

How do you define a nation-state?
I used the words "charting its own course." I would include that as part of the definition, along with other things, but seeing how the general OP is pretty aligned with the concept of economics, no need to get into the others; however, in addition, if you like, we can also add the US is truly no longer homogenous in any sense of the word.

Since the US government does not solely direct (in fact, it has no current role) its monetary policy, it does not meet the definition of a nation-state.

So, overall, the current state of inflation is not really inflicted upon any citizens of any country by the people occupying governmental positions of authority, including Joe Biden. It is facilitated by these people at the behest of those responsible for establishing the monetary policies (i.e., central banks).

A country owning its central bank would continue to meet my understanding of the definition of a nation-state.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 25, 2022, 05:58:48 AM »
That should give you a clue as to why nation-states cannot exist with unfunded liabilities.

I think Social Security and Medicare have unfunded liabilities yet the US is still a nation-state. How does that work if nation-states can't exist with unfunded liabilities?
Could have something to do with how you define a nation-state.

You are under the impression a nation-state with unfunded liabilities is still capable of "charting its own course," as it were.

I am under no such impression, understanding fully whoever has funded that debt, is the one dictating the actual course.

The US produces their own funds. You know that right? Please tell me you know that.

Please explain how the US "produces their own funds".

You fucking dolt, they have a mint.
The US does indeed have a mint.

But that mint is in fact, also an unfunded liability, and can only operate if funds are borrowed from an outside source to allow it to function.

The mint does not produce its own funds to facilitate operation.

You are trying to claim perpetual motion exists here, when in fact, it exists no where.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 24, 2022, 11:58:16 PM »
you know nothing :)

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Unfunded liabilities make the debt hundreds of trillions. This rock is broke and coming in for a reset.

An unfunded liability is literally nonsensical in the context of nation states.
It is nonsensical to believe nation-states can exist within the context of unfunded liabilities.

I am Total Lackey and think reversing people’s words makes me very smart

The US produces their own funds. You know that right? Please tell me you know that.
For you to think the US "produces its own funds," is laughable, to say the least.

Pro-tip, they do not.

That should give you a clue as to why nation-states cannot exist with unfunded liabilities.

Corporations, on the other hand, certainly can.

But corporations do not fit the definition of a nation-state.

Banks and financial institutions do, however.

Left you another clue.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: $$$ inflation $$$ Say it ain't so Joe
« on: September 24, 2022, 06:03:52 PM »
you know nothing :)

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts

Unfunded liabilities make the debt hundreds of trillions. This rock is broke and coming in for a reset.

An unfunded liability is literally nonsensical in the context of nation states.
It is nonsensical to believe nation-states can exist within the context of unfunded liabilities.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trump
« on: September 22, 2022, 08:44:39 AM »
Lawsuits going nowhere trumps any amount of chuckles.

Fake news believers = LMFAO!

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Flat Earth Investigations / Re: The Blatant Lies of National Geographic
« on: September 14, 2022, 02:02:17 PM »

The horizon is as far as you can see.

It is there, just the same as it would be there if I was in a known to be perfectly level, hallway say of 10 miles distance.

If it is as far as you can see, why can we see objects behind it? Why can I see the horizon, for example, in front of the lower half of a distant ship? Or the sun?
Maybe the words, "where two levels meet," would be satisfatory.

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