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Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« on: December 10, 2022, 10:41:30 PM »
Why is so much of our modern world regulated?

It's obvious.

It's important that society enforce certain standards upon itself so that, collectively, everyone may benefit from the standardization of certain processes. For example: guns. Virtually all nations on this planet have some regulations on ownership of deadly weapons. Yes, some have tougher regulations than others, but they all have some regulation. For the purpose of debate, let's just look at the West. The West has lots of regulations, from housing and labor to production and education, they have it all! Yet, there's something missing. Something I think is more important than the other things, more important than most of them combined...

Children.

Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever! What the hell? Who thought that was a good idea? You know what's infinitely more dangerous than a gun? A small child. There's factories for them walking around right now and no one has considered that maybe those factories need to be closed. Every moment of every day, filthy uneducated masses are producing more of themselves with no thought whatsoever as to the effect it will have on civilization.

Therefore, a proposal: you must attend training and acquire a license before you are allowed to have children. This includes fathers and mothers. Does this mean it's now illegal to have sex? No! It means it's illegal to do so with the purpose of reproduction without a license. What happens if a mother gets pregnant anyway? Abortion. That's right. Mandatory abortions for any unlicensed parent-to-be. You know it's the right thing to do. Support parental licensing today for a better future tomorrow!

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2022, 11:36:14 PM »
A surprisingly good take.

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2022, 11:51:43 PM »
It's true,  we need it
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2022, 12:09:52 AM »
Too bad we'll never get it.  Just think of all of the missed opportunities.
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2022, 12:44:23 AM »
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Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!

Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2022, 06:05:12 AM »
But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2022, 03:46:10 PM »
But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!

More importantly, what if you end up preventing the birth of the person that can definitively proof the earth is flat?
Flat-Earthers seem to have a very low standard of evidence for what they want to believe but an impossibly high standard of evidence for what they don’t want to believe.

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2022, 04:42:45 PM »
Pointless.
Parental licensing has two major flaws.

1. No enforcement of lessons taught while parenting.  How would you know the parents are actually raising said child properly?

2. Easy to hide pregnancies for people who failed the license test.  Then what?  The foster care and adoption system can't even handle shit now.  Add a few hundred thousand more kids and its not gonna be pretty.


A required class to teach basic baby care, however, would be an excellent idea.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2022, 04:50:35 PM »
But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
Nice paradox; Hitler killed Hitler. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2022, 06:31:40 PM »
China had it going on for decades. We can probably look to their One-Child thing to see how such functioned and resulted.

The term one-child policy (Chinese: 一孩政策; pinyin: Yī Hái Zhèng​cè) refers to a population planning initiative in China implemented between 1980 and 2015 to curb the country's population growth by restricting many families to a single child. That initiative was part of a much broader effort to control population growth that began in 1970 and ended in 2021, a half century program that included minimum ages at marriage and childbearing, two-child limits for many couples, minimum time intervals between births, heavy surveillance, and stiff fines for non-compliance.
Implementation of the policy was handled at the national level primarily by the National Population and Family Planning Commission and at the provincial and local level by specialized commissions.[7] Officials used pervasive propaganda campaigns to promote the program and encourage compliance. The strictness with which it was enforced varied by period, region, and social status. In some cases, women were forced to use contraception, receive abortions, and undergo sterilization. Families who violated the policy faced large fines and other penalties, such as firings and restrictions for future careers.

Laws, propaganda, surveillance, fines, penalties, exceptions, contraception, abortions, sterilizations...Pretty much all you need, the whole shootin' match.

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2022, 06:38:27 PM »
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Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!

Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.

ITT: Tom mistakes laws for regulations.

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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2022, 06:57:49 PM »
China had it going on for decades. We can probably look to their One-Child thing to see how such functioned and resulted.
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Laws, propaganda, surveillance, fines, penalties, exceptions, contraception, abortions, sterilizations...Pretty much all you need, the whole shootin' match.
Yes, a totalitarian state like China is probably the only way that such a program could work.  Although it looks like Indonesia is working on their version of it.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/05/asia/indonesia-new-code-passed-sex-cohabitation-intl-hnk/index.html
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2022, 07:05:52 PM »
But what if you end up preventing the birth of the man who killed Hitler!
Nice paradox; Hitler killed Hitler.

That's exactly my point!

Hitler could still be...

Wait...

Shit....

I'm going to have to think about this some more.

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« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2022, 07:19:37 PM »
Jakarta...
Under the version passed Tuesday, sex outside marriage carries a potential one-year prison term though there a restrictions on who can lodge a formal complaint. For example, the parents of children who are cohabitating before marriage have the authority to report them.

As well as introducing new offenses, the code also expands on existing laws and punishments. Blasphemy laws have increased from “one to six provisions” and can now lead to a maximum five-year prison sentence, according to a draft document.


Not only can you not get it on outside of marriage, but you can't even talk smack about the President or Allah.


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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2022, 10:06:04 PM »
Quote from: Rushy
Any two morons can produce a conga line of children without any form of regulation whatsoever!

Can you be more specific about the lack of regulation? There are encyclopedic-sized works on family law.

ITT: Tom mistakes laws for regulations.

Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?

https://gillespieshields.com/family-law-101-all-the-basics-you-need-to-know/

    "Family law has its own set of rules and regulations which differs from state-to-state or country-to-country."

https://www.lawinfo.com/resources/family-law/california/

    The term “family law” refers to rules, regulations, and court procedures relating to the family unit.

https://www.capronlawllc.com/areas-of-law-practice.html

    "Family law," therefore, refers tо rules, regulations, аnd court procedures involving thе family unit.
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2022, 10:24:34 PM »
Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?
Are there any family laws that dictate who is allowed to bear children?
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2022, 10:47:59 PM »
Do you have any evidence that there are no regulations included under the term "family law"?
Are there any family laws that dictate who is allowed to bear children?

Yes. Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.

https://19thnews.org/2022/02/forced-sterilization-guardianship-reproductive-justice/

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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2022, 11:01:09 PM »
Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?
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« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2022, 11:09:54 PM »
Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?

Well, if it is noticed that you are too dumb or deformed, you can be sterilized against your will. The solution to that is not to draw attention to yourself that you are overly dumb or deformed.

In other cases if a judge determines that a woman is unable to take care of herself, but this might not be a permanent state, he might take the measure of ordering her to be placed under conservatorship and put on forced birth control.

Definition of conservatorship: "A probate conservatorship is a court proceeding where a judge appoints a responsible person (called a conservator) to care for another adult who cannot care for him/herself or his/her finances (called a conservatee)."

Notably, this happened to Brittany Spears:

https://www.thenation.com/article/society/conservatorship-iud-britney-spears/

    For Women Under Conservatorship, Forced Birth Control Is Routine

    Advocates were not surprised when Britney Spears said she wasn’t allowed to have her IUD removed. They’d heard similar stories before.

    ' In June, Britney Spears spoke publicly for the first time about her conservatorship. In a harrowing 24-minute testimony, Spears laid out the ways in which having almost no decision-making power has curtailed her ability to live her own life over the past 13 years. She told a Los Angeles judge she has been forced to perform, forced to take medication she did not want, and, perhaps most shocking to the general public, forced to use contraception. Spears told a Los Angeles judge, “I have an IUD inside of myself right now, so I don’t get pregnant. I wanted to take the IUD out, so I could start trying to have another baby, but this so-called team won’t let me go to the doctor to take it out, because they don’t want me to have children—any more children.” '
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Re: Parental Licensing and Why We Need It
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2022, 11:39:51 PM »
Over half the states in the US, including liberal sanctuaries like California, New York, and Vermont allow, and indeed still engage in, forced sterilization of undesirables. Laws allowing this have been created even in recent years.
So, what procedure does one need to go through to not be forcibly sterilized in those states?

Well, if it is noticed that you are too dumb or deformed, you can be sterilized against your will. The solution to that is not to draw attention to yourself that you are overly dumb or deformed.
So there's nothing stopping irresponsible or undesirable people flying under the radar from making babies that they can't or won't support.  Good to know.
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