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Messages - Avante Vandaleur

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Who needs a lambo just to check the mail bro. Besides man, FES is just a forum. They got no use for such nerd money.

I was only taking @Baby Thork 's advice on Turtlecoin.

And its a nod to the Turtle devs and the tech.


Actually, though, to be honest... the temptation to build The Flat Earth network on the back of a Turtle network was really just too much.   -AV

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Flat International Earth Network Decentralized Intelligent Software Host P2P Blockchain.
https://github.com/F-E-N-D/FEND
Genesis Release

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So what. Who cares where the forum lives?
I don't.

I never did.

I just needed confirmation on where the veil begins.

-AV

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@Baby Thork,


the forum history blockchain was a joke, a great example of how depending on a single centralised system to benefit anyone but the owners of the system, is just folly.

the difference it makes, is the difference between

Centralised

&

Decentralized

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you know what you guys, [ FEND ] would actually be perfectly suited for a forum database-  well,  for this forum anyway...

See, those records preserved would be a great way to go back and see all of the comments that are erased & pruned from public eye. :-X



More importantly, it would enable us as a Flat Earth community to do more than just debate,

...but actually VOTE on these various differences of opinionated things-   and then form an ideaology that is representative of the entire Flat Earth community.

Better known as  -getting our shit together.

that should be enough to have this msg nominated for pruning

Thank you for everything you do, Flat Earth Society.  :-*
-AV       

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I don't think you're selling your idea to us anytime soon. Work on your elevator pitch, then come back.

you are mistaken sir.
a) I am selling nothing.
b) I am giving you notice to participate and benefit at your own behest.
c) I will not leave to return.

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1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.

sorry but I just couldn't help ---

You are one of the biggest supporters of bitcoin on this forum, and yet all of your objections to this project were denouncing blockchain. i understand the post,  i just dont understand how bitcoin a champion while the blockchain is useless...
Learn to read:
He is saying that blockchains suck at running a forum.

Learn to read? really? thats ...
perhaps reading is the best suggestion...  i never mentioned anything about a ffahahaha  forum
what the f.. forum? blockchain. brilliant.

Being argumentative is not the same thing as intelligence.
is flat earth society where people come to die to debate?
is flat earth - death to you people?

first 5 pages of google results for flat earth are debate, FES #1 hit.
 
LONG row to hoe, gentlemen. wherever ye be.

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1. We don't need a currency, we're the Flat Earth Society, not the Flat Earth Central Bank.

2. This website already supports encrypted file sharing, encrypted messaging, and voting features. Why should we use a blockchain to do what this website already does more efficiently?

3. Blockchains are just databases. Very inefficient, decentralized databases. This website is a very efficient centralized database (which has many dozens of backups!). Replacing it with a blockchain would be meaningless.

sorry but I just couldn't help ---

You are one of the biggest supporters of bitcoin on this forum, and yet all of your objections to this project were denouncing blockchain. i understand the post,  i just dont understand how bitcoin is a champion while the blockchain is useless...

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Ball earthers certainly outnumber FlatEarthers, in said scenario that would be to say that every round earther would not only have a computer and network intelligence, but also have it armed & ready for use in a concentrated & orchestrated oppositional mass network attack. Not to say that it "couldn't" happen...
But if it did...a network can shut down, make necessary adjustments, and reboot v2.whatever
Resistance would only fan the flames to burn hotter & stronger.  I dont fear it, sir.  I welcome it.

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Sounds to me like Guest is quite the scammer.
your actions are actually resembling those of a spammer, quite close. . some consider such, a troll. 

I just think your funny. 

and interested in the project.  ;)
 

The primary problem with authenticated, encrypted communication is it requires the sharing of keys over an assumed-secure channel. This is where a PKI comes in. While you can certainly get encrypted communication between the holders of any given public keys, you cannot verify that the provided public keys belong to a person's real identity without a face-to-face interaction.

For example, let's say I want to send a secure message to Tom Bishop telling him that "rockets work in space." Now I'm simply going to fetch his public key off a blockchain/server/newspaper and send over an encrypted AES key (using RSA-OAEP, or we can negotiate the key with any Diffie-Hellman variant), where the message is signed by my private key. Then I'll encrypt all of my communication with him using something like AES-GCM. Tom can use the same symmetric key to send messages back to me. What's the problem with this scheme? Blockchain by its nature is somewhat anonymous. There is nothing tying someone's real name to a public key. So junker, for example, could simply put a public key on the chain in Tom's name. Then I would be sending my communication to junker, who would forward it along to Tom while eavesdropping and modifying everything.

Without a PKI, public key cryptography like that used in blockchain is useless for authenticated, encrypted communication.

Again, your argument that the PoW wouldn't be subject to a 51% attack once you get enough users is bunk. Regardless of the PoW algorithm used, there are probably at least 1000x more Round Earth people in the world as Flat Earth people. This necessarily means that they have many times the computational power as Flat Earth people, even if they aren't able to cheat with ASICs / FPGAs. You're going to find that it's very hard to make an algorithm GPU-resistant, as the algorithm needs to incorporate some math problem in NP, which means that there is always parallelized guess-and-check; many GPUs have a rather complete instruction set.


My man. You got the right headspace for this, no doubt. I was meaning to send you a link to the progress Blockstak has been making.  Its interestingly boring.. in a great way.  I do understand what you mean. Trust but Verify, has turned into Dont Trust, Verify. and on the current trajectory - as far as any over the wire transmission goes- Trust will (or perhaps already should've in the scope of guerilla comms) completely disappear, leaving only Verify.

Which, of course, leads me to believe you are persuading me to take this project somewhere that isn't being monitored by the government.

Or maybe you got me too far into the future already.


Either way- i dig it. 





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Removing the dollar
Replacing with dividend
 

Flat Earth Network Dividend

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Regardless- anything that is to be great, must become great. It has to start somewhere.
Most network currencies start with an announcement on bitcointalk's forum for altcoins, but as this network is for the Flat Earth community, I believe it should start within the Flat Earth community. This may cause discord within cryptocurrency circles and forums..though as Flat Earthers, we are not strangers to criticism. 

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Ripple isn't a blockchain or cryptocurrency, Thork. You might be thinking of XRP, which isn't anything like those others you listed because it's a centralized transaction scheme. There's two different ledgers that Ripple (the company) keeps track of. There's Ripple, the system used by banks, and XRP, the open source system centralized to their verification servers.

It's a common mistake, but it's important to point out that neither Ripple nor XRP are decentralized blockchain services.

this is true... I think. Ripple Labs is separate from xrp im pretty sure.  Nice point tho-  It reminds me of something.

A virtual chain copy runs on a lot of blockchain systems i think.
Which Im not terribly interested in specifically, but it made me think about it differently.
That it can be mirrored. Linked to other processes.... networks....

Blockstak has done some pretty incredible things on an already working blockchain. . domain names.
 

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Are you creating a blockchain because you like ponzi schemes or is your blockchain going to do anything useful?

Ethereum eats contracts
Bitcoin eats piggybanks
Civic eats identity fraud
Filecoin eats file storage
Ripple eats transactions

What does FEND eat and how valuable is that as a useful service?

Alternatively why don't we just create turtlecoin.

My whitepaper
Turtlecoin is designed to get you a lamborghini.
You buy the coins and hodl until you have enough to cash out and buy a lamborghini.
You buy for pennies and you sell for dollars.
The next wave buy for dollars and sell for hundreds of dollars.
The next for for hundreds and sell for thousands.
Everyone gets a lamborghini.
But what happens to the last people to buy, you ask? Don't they get screwed? No, its turtles all the way down.

Hey,
I like that. Rare tact, sir.

"I like turtles."

Id probably even mine on the network to get some.  Might not 'buy' em BUT only because Im savvy enough to know how the mining technology works.... and that I can earn them if I can support the network with enough hashrate / processing power.

F.E.N.D eats the veil

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or as MJ so elequently ruint.. "the ceiling is the roof, guys."

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Technology & Information / Re: Does anybody want to make technology
« on: February 01, 2018, 09:45:43 AM »
necro...nice  8)
10-4

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Technology & Information / Re: Does anybody want to make technology
« on: February 01, 2018, 06:19:31 AM »
im interested.

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You won't get encrypted file sharing because blockchain state is public, and there's no feasible way to establish a decentralized PKI without substantial human intervention. The same goes for encrypted message sending: without face-to-face interaction you're placing the same trust in some out-of-band communication to bind keys to identity to stop MITM impersonators.

As for file storage, one may consider something like IPFS or Dat that is far more robust and economical. Public data like forum posts may be stored more cheaply this way, but storage is already very cheap.

You also need to be aware of a 99% attack. Round Earthers have thousands of times more computing power.

An ERC-20 token at least wouldn't have that problem.

Any sort of Proof-Of-Work currency is going to be very hard to mine on a CPU because it inherently involves a lot of parallelizable things that could get run on a high end GPU, which has a reasonable ISA. So even if you make it memory hard, the RE people can execute it much faster than you.


Dig it man. Thanks for your insight. Very valuable and valid points.
An ERC-20 token is nothing but a ticket to sell. Most truly created from nothing, but sold for something..? Unless it offers a dividend..
it is a scam.

The F.E.N.D. acronym has more meaning and relevance to the project than just being a perfect acronym. ;) By using the proof of work algorithm, it will assist in fair distribution of Flat Earth Network Dollars for many years to come- (60+years, not just early adopters) this will allow Flat Earth community members a way to 'fend' for ourselves- creating value by helping secure a decentralized and private blockchain network, while being rewarded for it. Later using the Flat Earth Network Dollar as a form of transferring value across and outside the network in exchange for goods, services, etc.

51% attack on the network should be a massive undertaking once the network reaches a decent level of users. Even a fair amount of users. Cryptonight hashing algorithm is asic resistant and gpu limiting. It is designed to become inefficient in parallel ops and makes use of random access speeds instead. Boulderhash is a cool algo that fully reaches to new levels of memory hard hashing.. uses 13gb of ram to avoid the zombie farm botnet mining scenario. While not everyone has 13GB of ram laying around or installed... it would still be a very small investment in hardware to become a miner for the network. Though we are still speaking in theory, not practice. We all know such a Flat Earth network would be attacked at some point. We must learn to not only expect it... but welcome it. An additional meaning of the word FEND is actively protecting, not defending.


Encrypted p2p messaging is already active in-wallet features in quite a few blockchain networks..Digitalnote, espers, etc

As for file sharing, I do not disagree. But to think what is possible and available today will be the same tomorrow - is incredibly short sighted. You seem to have a great mind for networking protocols. Im not proposing anything that has already been done. Theres an ERC20 token for that. Im here to assist in tearing the roof off this mother.
How much is a p2p blockchain's connections different from a p2p file sharing network's connections....? Not enough to be deterred. If nothing else a private connection to IPFS could suffice.

The internet has already changed, my friends. Only the reboot is yet to come.

-AV

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anyone interested in mining a little bit?
Start a currency/network to last for generations..?

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I love my scamcoins, but even I wouldn't touch this particular scamcoin.
thanks for your comment.


The state of cryptocurrencies are indeed littered with scams. Most all of these scams have the origins of an ERC-20 "token" which is created in total supply instantly (premined) and later sold to distribute the "shares"

What I propose is a mineable currency that is distributed equally and fairly based on user participation in powering a network for the community. These block rewards will be available to anyone mining over an emission course of the next 30 years.

This is to include- not exclude.
To prosper not one, or few- but rather the Flat Earth community as a whole

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