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And for some reason a lot of Western pundits keep cowering in fear of Russia as if the last 9 months didn't happen.

It's like their minds are trapped in 1945.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 24, 2022, 06:13:50 PM »
To be honest I usually avoid his speeches.  Every time he pauses for a little too long and has that look like he's trying to remember where he is I have a panic attack that the rise of President Harris is imminent.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 24, 2022, 04:39:49 PM »
Yep.  Another senior moment. 

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Liz Truss
« on: October 20, 2022, 01:56:36 PM »
And they said a woman could never break the record for shortest run at PM.

Take that patriarchy!

Stack, I think the point is Russia wants Ukraine to stop acting hostile towards it.  I don't think its more complicated then that.  If this can happen, talks about improving relations can maybe start.

I don't know if you're aware of this but Russia invaded Ukraine.  Not the other way around.

I need to get me some tats. Tats are cool? Nazi bitchez. With a Z?

I strongly encourage you to do so.  Preferably on your forehead to make it easier to identify people like you.

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Dr Van Nostrand
Tom just needs to come clean and admit that he thinks Putin's expansion in Europe is a good thing.

If Putin's goal is simply to "expand" how is it a coincidence that he has only annexed the areas where ethnic Russians were being slaughtered and was the primary point of contention between Russia and Ukraine since 2014?

This is clearly a humanitarian mission, and not "expanding into Europe" or whatever nonsense you have made up.


To put it into more concrete terms, because America invaded Iraq under false pretenses we must allow Russia to erase Ukraine from the map.  By sacrificing Ukraine we cleanse ourselves of the sin of the Iraq invasion.  And this is where Tom has landed with this war I suppose.
Check me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that America annexed chunks of Iraq, Afghanistan or any of the countries that we invaded since WWII.

It was the closest example I could think of.  Not nearly as bad as Russia's invasion but still probably not something we should have done.

Iraq that is.  Afghanistan is debatable.

Tom has gone full circle and has now reached an argument I've only seen from brain rotted tankie liberals.  It goes:

Normal people:  Hey, Russia is butchering people.  We've got to do something!

Tom:  Yes but did you know, America bad?

It's interesting logic.  Because America has done some pretty bad things to other countries in our history that disqualifies us from obstructing other countries from doing bad things.

To put it into more concrete terms, because America invaded Iraq under false pretenses we must allow Russia to erase Ukraine from the map.  By sacrificing Ukraine we cleanse ourselves of the sin of the Iraq invasion.  And this is where Tom has landed with this war I suppose.

So, here we are.  We could not stop him from acquiring anything in Ukraine.  It has happened.
Why? Because he said so?

Hey, Tron, I'm appointing my friend Dave as the Official Mayor of your home. I've asked Dave, the official representative for your household, if he'd like to give your house away to me. He said yes.

It has happened. Please pack your things and be ready to get out of my house by Friday.

Let's see.  Pete votes yes.  Dave votes yes.  After careful consideration I vote yes.

Sorry Tron.  Looks like you're out.  If you disagree with this then you are a warmonger.

It is a fair point.  Quite a few Russian missile seem to hit rivers and open fields, sometime even exploding before they launch.  We almost don't have a way of knowing what they were actually aiming for.

Yes.  The heroic Russians really stuck it Ukraine by bravely destroying many playgrounds and daycare centers today.

Russia didn't want NATO in Ukraine and stated that presence of NATO troops and NATO weapons on Ukrainian soil represented a “red line.”

NATO proceeded to provoke Russia by sending weapons to Ukraine in the days leading up to the war:

Some European allies send weapons to Ukraine while Germany holds back

January 24, 2022

    "Germany is not sending weapons to Kyiv. It says this would only inflame tensions with Russia. Instead, Germany is sending a field hospital through Estonia. This dismays Constanze Stelzenmuller, an expert on Germany and security issues at the Brookings Institution."

    "Today in Moscow, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the weapons coming into Ukraine have raised tensions."

Germany refused to send weapons to Ukraine, stating that it would inflame tensions.

It is pretty clear that NATO and Ukraine had every opportunity to back down, and knew that they were escalating the situation with their actions.

We provoked them?  You mean Joe Brandon with his genius level IQ tricked slow witted Vladamir Putin into invading Ukraine?

I have a homework assignment for you. read the wikipedia articles on what the state of the Ukrainian Army was in February 2022 and what we gave them exactly.  I think the results will be enlightening for you.

Also Russia required Ukraine to give up a large part of its territory and dismantle its military.

Odd that zelensky didn't agree to that.

Incorrect. It does not say that in the link I provided. You have provided no source on that.

Even according to the Reuters timeline, it looks like NATO/Ukraine were the aggressors and were not interested in a peaceful solution:

    Dec. 17 2021: Russia presents security demands including that NATO pull back troops and weapons from eastern Europe and bar Ukraine from ever joining.

    Jan. 24 2022: NATO puts forces on standby and reinforces eastern Europe with more ships and fighter jets.

    Jan. 26: Washington responds to Russia's security demands, repeating a commitment to NATO's "open-door" policy while offering a "pragmatic evaluation" of Moscow's concerns. Two days later Russia says its demands not addressed.

    Feb. 2022: Amid growing Western fears Russia could attack Ukraine, the United States says it will send 3,000 extra troops to NATO members Poland and Romania. Washington and allies say they will not send troops to Ukraine, but warn of severe economic sanctions if Russian President Vladimir Putin takes military action.

    Feb. 21: In a TV address, Putin says Ukraine is an integral part of Russian history and has a puppet regime managed by foreign powers. Putin orders what he called peacekeeping forces into two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine, after recognising them as independent.

    Feb. 22: The U.S., Britain and their allies sanction Russian parliament members, banks and other assets in response to Putin's troop order. Germany halts the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project.

    Feb. 23: Russian-backed separatist leaders ask Russia for help repelling aggression from the Ukrainian army.

    Feb. 24: Putin authorizes "special military operations" in Ukraine. Russian forces begin missile and artillery attacks, striking major Ukrainian cities including Kiev.

I can dig it up if you want later on.  This "peace" negotiation did progress along a steady path.  Putin's demand were all over the place.  I've seen neutrality as a demand.  It almost always included disarmament as a requirement for Russia's "legitimate security concerns".  Maybe you've found a few stories where he doesn't mention it but usually he does.  He just framed his demands in such a way that neutrality was always the first thing and disarmament was in the fine print.  The media, of course, fell for it and allowed him to muddy the waters.

Zelensky had also rejected peace days before the war had begun. Germany had attempted to broker a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia to avoid war. Zelensky rejected it.

Wall Street Journal -

    Mr. Scholz made one last push for a settlement between Moscow and Kyiv. He told Mr. Zelensky in Munich on Feb. 19 that Ukraine should renounce its NATO aspirations and declare neutrality as part of a wider European security deal between the West and Russia. The pact would be signed by Mr. Putin and Mr. Biden, who would jointly guarantee Ukraine’s security.

    Mr. Zelensky said Mr. Putin couldn’t be trusted to uphold such an agreement and that most Ukrainians wanted to join NATO. His answer left German officials worried that the chances of peace were fading.

Also Russia required Ukraine to give up a large part of its territory and dismantle its military.

Odd that zelensky didn't agree to that.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: President Joe Biden
« on: October 07, 2022, 08:48:23 PM »

I don't know how serious they are about this but I really want to see this happen.

Yes.  You can support Putin, who is a demonstrable shithole who makes people's lives materially worse in almost every conceivable fashion, or not.  Your choice.

How so exactly? In public Putin is a Christian who promotes traditional values. Everything else is a conspiracy theory about how he blew up apartment buildings which allowed him to win on a pro-police platform or whatever.

If you actually have anything that is confirmed as factual please tell us. All I have ever heard is unconfirmed theory and propaganda.

When the person who is elected shows her support and admiration for Mussolini and his policies, it seems a logical conclusion.

Which policies? Both Hitler and Mussolini had good economic policies which benefitted their nation. That is not in dispute. Even standard textbooks describe their policies as prosperous for their countries.

lol, you can try and hand wave away the actions of these people, but fortunately we don't rely on you for information.

Yes clearly, you just repeat the liberal byline on the media almost verbatim.

Is butchering civilians and stealing the filling in their teeth a traditional Christian value?

I'm just curious.  I haven't studied the Bible in a while.  I suppose it's possible that jesus condoned this sort of behavior.

I just don't know what to say.  I think we're living in different realities. 

The ISW, which I assume you regard as reputable since you referenced it, paints a bleak picture of the Russian Military.

This map has a feature which you can click through day by day to see what progress each side has made.

Yes, we do seem to live in different realities, which is odd, considering we're using the same source. The source I'm reading and looking at so far says nothing you have claimed. Are you sure you know how to read? Is the map confusing to you somehow?

I apologize for the insultingly basic suggestion.  I realize that as a professional with technology that I may suggest things that aren't necessary possible for those of us who aren't that computer literate.  I'm going to try for some basic instructions as to how to ease this website.  By all means let me know if you maybe are confused about some of the controls.  No shame.  Happens to us all.

Close to the bottom right there's a clock icon.

click on it and set the date to the first of September.

Then Click the right every to advance one day and the advantages associated with it.

You see that that as you click the right arrow, which represents time going forward, that the Ukrainians are taking more and more territory.  And for the last month that shows increasing gains on behalf of the Ukrainians. 

I'm also going to track down a gif that should be things even simpler to understand.

Try that.  See if you still disagree with me.

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