[juner]

this is actually unironically a bad thing

[Crudblud]

Allan Lichtman must be furious right now. The keys, the keys!

[AATW]

I think this was the dumbest possible decision the DNC could make. Time will tell if that's true.

Why? Biden had zero chance of winning. Maybe you think Harris has too, but even if that's true it's not possible for anyone else to have less chance than Biden did. Him dropping out was the only possible chance the Democrats have of winning this election. There's a good chance they won't anyway, but there was nothing to lose.

[Lord Dave]

I think this was the dumbest possible decision the DNC could make. Time will tell if that's true.

Why? Biden had zero chance of winning. Maybe you think Harris has too, but even if that's true it's not possible for anyone else to have less chance than Biden did. Him dropping out was the only possible chance the Democrats have of winning this election. There's a good chance they won't anyway, but there was nothing to lose.

Not according to polling.

[Rushy]

I think this was the dumbest possible decision the DNC could make. Time will tell if that's true.

Why? Biden had zero chance of winning. Maybe you think Harris has too, but even if that's true it's not possible for anyone else to have less chance than Biden did. Him dropping out was the only possible chance the Democrats have of winning this election. There's a good chance they won't anyway, but there was nothing to lose.

Now they have legal minefield to navigate regarding how the candidate will be selected and how they will qualify to be on the ballot in each state. They're also confusing voters and making the DNC look chaotic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kamala-harris-trump-2024-polls-biden-rcna162934

Harris doesn't poll any better than Biden does. Now, that could change. It could get better... but looking back on her 2020 primary performance, the chances aren't looking good. The voters didn't like her at all and her primary run ended quickly.

I think the key take-away here is that all of the DNC's options are bad options, but keeping Biden at least appeared to be a sane thing to do, even if he was going to lose anyway. This will cause the DNC to devolve into even more finger-pointing and blame gaming than it was already doomed to experience.

[AATW]

Harris doesn't poll any better than Biden does. Now, that could change. It could get better... but looking back on her 2020 primary performance, the chances aren't looking good. The voters didn't like her at all and her primary run ended quickly.

I guess the argument is at least with her it could get better, with Biden it definitely won't. It does feel like a desperate last throw of the dice but I think it's one they had to do.

I think the key take-away here is that all of the DNC's options are bad options

No argument there.

[Action80]

None of this is going to end well for anyone.

Get ready for Phase 3.

[Rushy]

I guess the argument is at least with her it could get better, with Biden it definitely won't. It does feel like a desperate last throw of the dice but I think it's one they had to do.

I don't think it was guaranteed that it would not get better with Biden. What really threw a wrench into the DNC's plans is that someone tried to kill Trump. Whatever the DNC comes up with in the next few months will never overshadow that, it'll be talked about perpetually, it's one of those events that is never going away.

[Lord Dave]

Incorrect.
If someone succeeds, that'll overshadow it.

[Rushy]

Incorrect.
If someone succeeds, that'll overshadow it.

No one can succeed because Trump put all of his spec points into evasion. This counts against all attacks, both verbal and physical.

[AATW]

I guess the argument is at least with her it could get better, with Biden it definitely won't. It does feel like a desperate last throw of the dice but I think it's one they had to do.

I don't think it was guaranteed that it would not get better with Biden.

The only way I could see it getting better is if Biden stopped looking so completely incapable of holding office. And that didn't seem likely.

I suspect the assassination attempt will continue to galvanise support. They say for musicians that dying is a good career move, it seems like for politicians surviving an assassination attempt is pretty good too.

[garygreen]

if Biden stopped looking so completely incapable of holding office

is there anything policy-wise that makes you think he's incapable of holding office? i've heard a lot about how he sounds old and tired, but i have yet to hear of anything in the realm of actual public policy that should make me think he couldn't handle the job. if anything, his presidency has been remarkably active.

[Pete Svarrior]

i've heard a lot about how he sounds old and tired, but i have yet to hear of anything in the realm of actual public policy that should make me think he couldn't handle the job. if anything, his presidency has been remarkably active.

Yea, but bitches love appearances and platitudes. We can agree it's dumb, but Joe's "haha funny old grandpa" reputation was torpedoing his chances

[AATW]

i've heard a lot about how he sounds old and tired, but i have yet to hear of anything in the realm of actual public policy that should make me think he couldn't handle the job. if anything, his presidency has been remarkably active.

Yea, but bitches love appearances and platitudes. We can agree it's dumb, but Joe's "haha funny old grandpa" reputation was torpedoing his chances

Gary does have a point, I'm not a fan of "style over substance". BoJo is a textbook example of that, he's very personable and funny and when he's on something like HIGNFY I find him entertaining. But holy shit don't let him anywhere near any position of power, we've seen how that worked out. The issue with Biden is he does come across as "funny old grandpa" and that does matter. Maybe it shouldn't, but being president isn't just about policy. He has to inspire confidence both within the country and to the world and he just doesn't. I mean, he's 81 ffs. Why the hell would you ever want an 81 year old running a country? And that's his age now, his abilities both physical and cognitive are only going to go in one direction as they have over the last 4 years. Trump being in charge was a shit-show too of course, and will be again. He's openly laughed at around the world. But if he shouts U-S-A loudly enough no-one seems to care. I do see a glimmer of hope in Harris, but only a glimmer.

[Action80]

His "public policies" resulted in nothing but total disaster for millions of citizens of this country.

Jesus. Gotta be fucking kidding.