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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #140 on: December 04, 2014, 01:08:19 AM »
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The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.

Stopped reading here.  If they're actually retconning the end of the original trilogy, I'm not interested.  Fucking lazy hacks.
Not sure what you mean.  The end of the trilogy was a party on Endor.  Nothing was shown after that.  And if the Emporer dies, do you really think all the generals and storm troopers will just say "Ok, you win.  We give up."?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #141 on: December 04, 2014, 01:34:43 AM »
A lot of Star Wars post ep 6 EU goes into the workings of the galaxy after the Empire was defeated. It really isn't outlandish when you remember, as LD pointed out, that there was still an entire Empire now without a leader.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #142 on: December 04, 2014, 09:14:26 AM »
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The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.

Stopped reading here.  If they're actually retconning the end of the original trilogy, I'm not interested.  Fucking lazy hacks.

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The end of ep.6 lef millions of stormtroopers, thousands of starships, a vast interstellar network of generals, Grand Moffs, governors, and the rest of the Imperial machinery. did you think that would just roll over when the Emperor and his enforcer died?

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #143 on: December 04, 2014, 03:51:37 PM »
And if the Emporer dies, do you really think all the generals and storm troopers will just say "Ok, you win.  We give up."?

The end of ep.6 lef millions of stormtroopers, thousands of starships, a vast interstellar network of generals, Grand Moffs, governors, and the rest of the Imperial machinery. did you think that would just roll over when the Emperor and his enforcer died?

No.  What I did think/expect, though, is that it would be a very important victory that would be a real step towards the Rebellion definitively ending the war.  In other words, that it would matter.  Shit like "Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition" along with the implication that the Empire still has the upper hand (hence the heroes being in exile) tells us that no, it didn't matter.  None of the original trilogy seems to have mattered in the long run.  They didn't beat the Empire, they didn't come even remotely close to beating the Empire, so what was the point?  What was accomplished during the original trilogy?

Even setting that aside, from a storytelling perspective, it's just lazy.  There's a whole galaxy out there for them to come up with new conflicts and new antagonists from.  They don't need to be rehashing the past like this.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #144 on: December 04, 2014, 03:57:15 PM »
No.  What I did think/expect, though, is that it would be a very important victory that would be a real step towards the Rebellion definitively ending the war.  In other words, that it would matter.  Shit like "Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition" along with the implication that the Empire still has the upper hand (hence the heroes being in exile) tells us that no, it didn't matter.  None of the original trilogy seems to have mattered in the long run.  They didn't beat the Empire, they didn't come even remotely close to beating the Empire, so what was the point?  What was accomplished during the original trilogy?

Even setting that aside, from a storytelling perspective, it's just lazy.  There's a whole galaxy out there for them to come up with new conflicts and new antagonists from.  They don't need to be rehashing the past like this.

What did you honestly expect blowing up a single spacestation would do, Saddam? You're not making any sense. The Death Star wasn't even being built to fight the rebels in the first place.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #145 on: December 04, 2014, 03:58:13 PM »
Stop being dense, Saddam. This has all been a planned story. It's not lazy if you're just continuing with the entire narrative.

"It's a nine-part saga that has a beginning, a middle and an end. It progresses over a period of about fifty or sixty years with about twenty years between trilogies, each trilogy taking about six or seven years." Lucas said that back in the 70s.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #146 on: December 04, 2014, 03:59:25 PM »
Saddam must be down on his complaining quota so now he has to complain about things that aren't even problems.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #147 on: December 04, 2014, 04:19:33 PM »
Stop being dense, Saddam. This has all been a planned story. It's not lazy if you're just continuing with the entire narrative.

"It's a nine-part saga that has a beginning, a middle and an end. It progresses over a period of about fifty or sixty years with about twenty years between trilogies, each trilogy taking about six or seven years." Lucas said that back in the 70s.

Lucas has said a whole bunch of different things about how many movies he had planned, and most of them contradicted each other:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy

It does seem to be pretty clear that these new movies aren't being based on anything that Lucas had planned, though.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #148 on: December 04, 2014, 04:44:13 PM »
"That Disney would probably use Lucas's outlines as the basis for the sequel trilogy. "That’s in part what Disney bought."[34]"

"The original idea as I understood it—and Lucas changes his mind off and on, so it may not be what he’s thinking right now—but it was going to be three generations. You’d have the original trilogy, then go back to Luke’s father and find out what happened to him, and if there was another seventh, eighth, or ninth film, it would be Luke's children."[35]

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens is to take place approximately 30 years after the events of Return of the Jedi and will revolve around a younger cast of actors together with characters from the original trilogy, including Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia along with C-3PO, R2-D2 and Chewbacca, who have been confirmed to return"

It seems to me they're sticking to his original outline.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #149 on: December 04, 2014, 05:16:04 PM »
The Empire wasn't gone after the Battle of Endor in the EU either. Grand Admiral Thrawn kicked the Republics arses more than Vader and Palpatine ever did to the Rebellion.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #150 on: December 04, 2014, 08:24:29 PM »
Well, it did matter that the Empire didn't get another giant ball of death that could destroy worlds. So, there's that. Also the 2 most powerful Sith in the Galaxy are dead.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #151 on: December 10, 2014, 01:23:15 AM »
Hey, aren't old people objectively just hilarious?  No?  Well, that's too bad, because that's the only joke the comedy masters of SNL could think of in this dumb "parody," for lack of a better word:

http://gizmodo.com/snls-star-wars-trailer-remember-everybodys-old-as-hel-1668213873


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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #152 on: December 10, 2014, 05:27:26 AM »
SNL is still a thing? Give it a rest guys.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #153 on: December 10, 2014, 05:28:28 AM »
http://gizmodo.com/snls-star-wars-trailer-remember-everybodys-old-as-hel-1668213873
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Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States
Pathetic.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #154 on: December 16, 2014, 06:49:38 PM »
http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-guess-who-else-is-back-in-star-wars-episode-vii-and-viii

I know this is a few months old and all, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true.  They're rehashing the Empire, so they might as well rehash the Emperor while they're at it.  Also:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Emperor-Palpatine-Finally-Has-First-Name-It-Weird-67728.html

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #155 on: December 16, 2014, 06:50:24 PM »
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #156 on: January 14, 2015, 05:45:58 PM »
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/01/12/george-lucas-strange-magic-movie/21624493/

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Lucas already started to develop the next three Star Wars films, but he knew a third trilogy was a 10-year commitment at least. He at first expected to finish Episode VII, release it in May 2015 and then sell the company afterward.

But Disney expressed interest and came along at the right moment, Lucas says. "It's better for me to get out at the beginning of a new thing and I can just remove myself.

We dodged a bullet there.  Excellent timing, Disney.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #157 on: January 14, 2015, 08:19:56 PM »
Why does everyone seem to hate George Lucas? He created the damn series. Show some respect, plebs.

Keep in mind that George Lucas has never even heard of you.

Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #158 on: January 15, 2015, 12:19:47 AM »
Why does everyone seem to hate George Lucas? He created the damn series. Show some respect, plebs.

Keep in mind that George Lucas has never even heard of you.

I know this is meant to be inflammatory, and while I do feel a lot of blame is misplaced on Lucas, many people do not know how much of a hand he had even in the first movie. Lucas came up with the idea, he also contributed greatly on a creative level to the original film, but he was still reined in by the producers and the studio. It's widely accepted that the original film was a bloated piece of shit (remind you of the new trilogy?) before it was properly edited into the final release. Even then, the original film, Lucas' so called work of art, still had some glaring flaws and as far as movies go was barely above average. It wasn't until the sequels that the series really soared, and where was Lucas during those? Relegated to producer and co-writer, mostly on his decision.

We all saw what happens when he's allowed to do what he wants with little restraint, and I think we can all agree that no one wants any more of those movies.

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
« Reply #159 on: January 15, 2015, 12:21:30 AM »
I guess you could say the negotiations were short.
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