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Title: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Снупс on April 30, 2014, 01:49:52 AM
Post any and all thoughts about the upcoming trilogy, as well as casting and incessant whining and bitching.

Here's the confirmed cast:

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Actors John Boyega, Daisy Ridley, Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleeson, and Max von Sydow will join the original stars of the saga, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew, and Kenny Baker in the new film.

Production on it starts next month, apparently. It will be released December 18, 2015.
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Post by: Rama Set on April 30, 2014, 03:20:46 AM
I'm excited. I trust JJ and George Lucas is no longer involved.
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 30, 2014, 03:48:50 AM
George Lucas is no longer involved.

Well...hopefully.

http://screenrant.com/star-wars-episode-7-george-lucas-role-jj-abrams/
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Post by: Rushy on April 30, 2014, 04:25:19 AM
JJ Abrams isn't that bad, but for god sakes keep George Lucas away from it.
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Post by: Lord Dave on April 30, 2014, 12:12:42 PM
JJ is finally directing a franchise he likes so expect Darth Vader wannabe, lots of light saber fights, and a very black and white morality set.
(Basically the prequals)
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Post by: la xasop on April 30, 2014, 01:05:50 PM
The Star Trek reboot films made terrible Star Trek, but would have been decent Star Wars. I'm hopeful.
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Post by: rooster on April 30, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
The Star Trek reboot films made terrible Star Trek, but would have been decent Star Wars. I'm hopeful.
That's kind of how I feel about it too. I never cared for Star Wars really but it might be alright.
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Post by: Rama Set on April 30, 2014, 05:45:59 PM
JJ is finally directing a franchise he likes so expect Darth Vader wannabe, lots of light saber fights, and a very black and white morality set.
(Basically the prequals)

Wat?  He likes the franchise ergo he will do a terrible job? 
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Post by: beardo on April 30, 2014, 07:12:56 PM
Better sell the movie rights to the Chinese. They'll surely protect Star Wars legacy by making sure no one makes any shitty sequels.
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Post by: Lord Dave on April 30, 2014, 08:20:06 PM
JJ is finally directing a franchise he likes so expect Darth Vader wannabe, lots of light saber fights, and a very black and white morality set.
(Basically the prequals)

Wat?  He likes the franchise ergo he will do a terrible job?
More like he'll take what he finds "cool" about it and emphasize it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rama Set on April 30, 2014, 08:23:24 PM
JJ is finally directing a franchise he likes so expect Darth Vader wannabe, lots of light saber fights, and a very black and white morality set.
(Basically the prequals)

Wat?  He likes the franchise ergo he will do a terrible job?
More like he'll take what he finds "cool" about it and emphasize it.

I doubt he will have enough of a final say to be able to. I actually trust Disney quite a bit in their oversight on this. They have done a great job with the Marvel movies thus far, Iron Man 3 notwithstanding, and are likely aware enough of the criticisms of the prequels to make the same mistake again.
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Post by: Ghost of V on April 30, 2014, 08:24:16 PM
Lucasfilm just announced that all Star Wars games/novels are non-canon. I'm not trolling. Look it up.
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Post by: Vindictus on April 30, 2014, 08:29:25 PM
Lucasfilm just announced that all Star Wars games/novels are non-canon. I'm not trolling. Look it up.

I thought they did this ages ago?
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Post by: Onix on April 30, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
Lucasfilm just announced that all Star Wars games/novels are non-canon. I'm not trolling. Look it up.

I think most people stopped taking Lucas's opinion seriously in 1999.
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Post by: Ghost of V on April 30, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Lucasfilm just announced that all Star Wars games/novels are non-canon. I'm not trolling. Look it up.

I think most people stopped taking Lucas's opinion seriously in 1999.

Yay. Now will we have an official universe and a fan universe. If Lucas is good at anything its dividing fanbases.

I thought they did this ages ago?

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/460842/lucasfilm-declares-all-star-wars-games-non-canon/

Maybe the novels... But not the games.
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Post by: Pete Svarrior on April 30, 2014, 09:37:11 PM
The Expanded Unvierse was always a thing, and in this exact format. If anything, they now made Clone Wars canon... which is a shitty decision, but okay Lucas.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Снупс on May 01, 2014, 02:21:49 AM
I get the feeling that they also mean they may take bits and pieces from the extended universe, but that overall it's, yeah, not all official.

Though to be honest, I find it really hard to care. There was a lot of ridiculous crap there, some of which hurt it as a whole.
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Post by: Ghost of V on May 01, 2014, 03:11:09 AM
I don't like Star Wars. Does that take away my nerd status?
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Post by: markjo on May 01, 2014, 04:41:27 AM
I don't like Star Wars. Does that take away my nerd status?
Yes.  Turn in your nerd card to the appropriate authorities and then go talk to a girl.
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Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on May 01, 2014, 07:53:29 AM
As long as it's more coherent than Into Darkness. I don't trust J.J.

If Ep. VII is crap then it will finally tip the balance of Star Wars into a crap series overall.

IV - Good
V - Good
VI - Mediocre/crap
I - Crap (But at least fun)
II - Crap (and one of the dullest films I've ever sat through)
III - Mediocre/ Good.
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Post by: beardo on May 01, 2014, 09:34:50 AM
Kyle Katarn should stay canon. He's badass.
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Post by: Vindictus on May 01, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
IV wasn't crap. What's wrong with you?
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Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 01, 2014, 10:03:10 AM
IV - Good
IV wasn't crap. What's wrong with you?
What's wrong with you, Vindictus?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on May 01, 2014, 10:21:16 AM
Why don't people like VI? Is it the Ewoks?
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Post by: Blanko on May 01, 2014, 10:24:35 AM
>III
>better than VI

excuse me
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Post by: Eddy Baby on May 01, 2014, 10:40:25 AM
Whatever they make, it will never top Episode I. That was perfection.
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Post by: Crudblud on May 01, 2014, 12:21:02 PM
I recall VI was sillier and cheesier than its predecessors, but I think it was a fitting conclusion overall.
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Post by: Снупс on May 01, 2014, 02:06:49 PM
>III
>better than VI

excuse me

That seems to be a pretty solid consensus, even (surprisingly) among critics.
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Post by: beardo on May 01, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
VI was my favourite out of the three when I was a kid because Luke kicked a bunch of ass in it, and V was my least favourite because I thought it was too depressive and Luke was kind of a whimp in it and got his ass kicked.
After having seen the films as an adult, this is obviously no longer the case, but I still don't think VI is any worse than the other two.
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Post by: Eddy Baby on May 01, 2014, 02:15:08 PM
How can you watch Episode III without cutting your own nipples off
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Post by: Rama Set on May 01, 2014, 02:19:04 PM
>III
>better than VI

excuse me

That seems to be a pretty solid consensus, even (surprisingly) among critics.

Fortunately it is possible for them to be wrong.  With the possible tonal gaff of the ewoks (jury is out, since I loved them when I saw it in the theatre at age 5), Return of the Jedi is a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy.

Oh, and there isn't...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
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Post by: rooster on May 01, 2014, 04:24:51 PM
Why do adults hate ewoks? Are people racist against teddy bears? God forbid anything be cute in a galaxy far, far, away. I always thought wookies were more annoying personally.

But regardless, I think the originals are way better than any of the newer movies. There was more moral ambiquity. The whole good vs evil theme is what bothers me about Star Wars. If you have any Jedi abilities than you have to choose to be a monk or evil.
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Post by: Lord Dave on May 01, 2014, 08:52:58 PM
Why do adults hate ewoks? Are people racist against teddy bears? God forbid anything be cute in a galaxy far, far, away. I always thought wookies were more annoying personally.

But regardless, I think the originals are way better than any of the newer movies. There was more moral ambiquity. The whole good vs evil theme is what bothers me about Star Wars. If you have any Jedi abilities than you have to choose to be a monk or evil.

My problem with the ewoks stem from two points:
1. They couldn't have evolved that way.
2. They took out the Empire's best.

1. The ewoks are short, black eyed creatures with limited range of motion and lots of fur.  Never mind walking in a forest is a pain, they'd never catch wild animals on their own.  So they are likely plant eaters BUT they seem to find the main heroes to look like tasty food.  Plus they live in high trees.  How do they climb?!  Their arms aren't long enough for climbing nor are the trees small enough.  They lack jumping abilities to move between trees.  And even if they're basically evolved teddy bears, why the hell would they live in trees?  What natural predators do they need to avoid?  The design of the Ewoks were poorly thought out.

2. First off let's ask ourselves a few questions. 1. How do ewoks lift logs that high into the air?  2. How he hell is a metal walking machine of death weaker than two logs?  Or get pushed by rocks being dropped?  They don't.  The ewoks were the winners because they were cute and worked with the good guys.  On any normal fight, they'd have been slaughtered.  Yes, I realize that somehow taking the enemy's walking tank made them win.  After all, the walkers seemed to only be able to take a few shots before exploding.  Yet the walkers in TESB were god damn immune to blasters. 
And let's not forget: Rocks > Armor.  Why do these troopers even bother wearing armor?  It can't stop their most common weapon, the blaster, and it's useless against GOD DAMN ROCKS!  Riot Shields are better than storm trooper armor.


/end rant
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Post by: Blanko on May 01, 2014, 09:48:57 PM
But Dave, God made them that way!!!!!!
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 01, 2014, 10:00:24 PM
The Ewoks were stupid, but VI is still far superior to the prequels.
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Post by: Rama Set on May 01, 2014, 10:19:48 PM
RotJ also has the best light saber duel.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on May 02, 2014, 12:03:13 AM
Why do adults hate ewoks? Are people racist against teddy bears? God forbid anything be cute in a galaxy far, far, away. I always thought wookies were more annoying personally.

But regardless, I think the originals are way better than any of the newer movies. There was more moral ambiquity. The whole good vs evil theme is what bothers me about Star Wars. If you have any Jedi abilities than you have to choose to be a monk or evil.

My problem with the ewoks stem from two points:
1. They couldn't have evolved that way.
2. They took out the Empire's best.

1. The ewoks are short, black eyed creatures with limited range of motion and lots of fur.  Never mind walking in a forest is a pain, they'd never catch wild animals on their own.  So they are likely plant eaters BUT they seem to find the main heroes to look like tasty food.  Plus they live in high trees.  How do they climb?!  Their arms aren't long enough for climbing nor are the trees small enough.  They lack jumping abilities to move between trees.  And even if they're basically evolved teddy bears, why the hell would they live in trees?  What natural predators do they need to avoid?  The design of the Ewoks were poorly thought out.

You are obviously not familiar with so many improbable forest creatures. They're likely omnivores. Maybe their civilization is a remnant from other creatures that died out - you don't know that moon's history! Are you aware of all the creatures on Endor? Maybe there are natural predators.

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2. First off let's ask ourselves a few questions. 1. How do ewoks lift logs that high into the air?  2. How he hell is a metal walking machine of death weaker than two logs?  Or get pushed by rocks being dropped?  They don't.  The ewoks were the winners because they were cute and worked with the good guys.  On any normal fight, they'd have been slaughtered.  Yes, I realize that somehow taking the enemy's walking tank made them win.  After all, the walkers seemed to only be able to take a few shots before exploding.  Yet the walkers in TESB were god damn immune to blasters. 
And let's not forget: Rocks > Armor.  Why do these troopers even bother wearing armor?  It can't stop their most common weapon, the blaster, and it's useless against GOD DAMN ROCKS!  Riot Shields are better than storm trooper armor.
Why couldn't someone help them with the logs? Or hell, why couldn't they have used their own brains? They can clearly use simple machines - so let's not turn this into a "how could the Egyptians possibly have built the pyramids?" kind of discussion. Ewoks have brains and civilization, you shouldn't doubt what they're capable of. It's not like humans have the brute strength to lift giant slabs of stone either but we did it somehow.  For rocks and logs it's more about momentum than their material. Maybe Endor trees and rocks are heavier.


And yes, it's totally possible for something to evolve that way. Look at koala bears and wombats, now give them a bigger frontal lobe. Maybe Ewoks were supposed to look more like those animals but they didn't have the budget to make all these little puppets with a lot of screen time.
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Post by: DDDDAts all folks on May 02, 2014, 06:58:37 AM
There will be an ewok Jedi knight in the next film.

I feel it in my bones.
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Post by: beardo on May 02, 2014, 07:06:40 AM
Ewoks should build their homes even higher up in the trees to protect them better against Goraxes.
Goraxes are canon, r-right..?
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Post by: Vindictus on May 02, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
Why couldn't someone help them with the logs? Or hell, why couldn't they have used their own brains? They can clearly use simple machines - so let's not turn this into a "how could the Egyptians possibly have built the pyramids?" kind of discussion. Ewoks have brains and civilization, you shouldn't doubt what they're capable of. It's not like humans have the brute strength to lift giant slabs of stone either but we did it somehow.  For rocks and logs it's more about momentum than their material. Maybe Endor trees and rocks are heavier.

Forget the dumb traps. They wreck the Imperials before losing. It was silliness that makes the Imperials seem impotent.
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Post by: beardo on May 02, 2014, 02:06:16 PM
But they are.
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Post by: rooster on May 02, 2014, 03:36:26 PM
But they are.
Exactly. Damn Storm Troopers can't shoot anything.
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 02, 2014, 03:54:41 PM
The Imperials are almost as impotent as Thork.
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Post by: beardo on May 02, 2014, 04:00:46 PM
Give a Stormtrooper a Lightsaber and he's likely to end up decapitating himself.
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Post by: fappenhosen on May 03, 2014, 12:01:28 AM
JJ Abrams never made a really good film.

Prove me wrong.

He will make a film where big things crash into big things. Featuring people falling off big things but then getting rescued at the last minute. This is what he does. If you like that then go see Star Wars VII.

"Mindblowing" ***** The Sun
"This Years Must See" ***** The Mirror

etc
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Post by: la xasop on May 03, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
He will make a film where big things crash into big things. Featuring people falling off big things but then getting rescued at the last minute. This is what he does.

Sounds a lot like another Star Wars director.
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Post by: Vindictus on May 03, 2014, 09:43:04 PM
But they are.
Exactly. Damn Storm Troopers can't shoot anything.

Wat. The Empire wrecked the rebels in V. Then they get wrecked by teddy bears in VI. It's dumb
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Post by: rooster on May 03, 2014, 10:28:32 PM
But they are.
Exactly. Damn Storm Troopers can't shoot anything.

Wat. The Empire wrecked the rebels in V. Then they get wrecked by teddy bears in VI. It's dumb
It is a widely known fact that Storm Troopers can't shoot for shit.
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 04, 2014, 01:31:08 AM
Indeed.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImperialStormtrooperMarksmanshipAcademy
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Post by: Vindictus on May 04, 2014, 03:41:29 AM
But they are.
Exactly. Damn Storm Troopers can't shoot anything.

Wat. The Empire wrecked the rebels in V. Then they get wrecked by teddy bears in VI. It's dumb
It is a widely known fact that Storm Troopers can't shoot for shit.

Irrelevant. Teddy bears beating them is still ridiculous.
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Post by: rooster on May 04, 2014, 05:23:25 AM
Irrelevant. Teddy bears beating them is still ridiculous.
Not really. Walkers and speeders are out of their element in the forest (unless you have force reflexes). It's the teddy bears' home and they're using tactics that the Empire isn't used to. Think of it like Indians against the British, where the Indians are fighting in the woods on lands they know and the British can't shoot anything. Seems like a pretty easy win to me.

Just because you can't get past their cute and fuzzy exterior doesn't mean their victory is ridiculous.
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Post by: Vindictus on May 04, 2014, 06:20:46 AM
Indians were human.. It's more like comparing us to beings 4x larger, with all the strength and mass differences that would be there. You could just kick them away.
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Post by: beardo on May 04, 2014, 07:06:41 AM
The Stormtrooper E-11 blaster rifle is supposedly pretty shit too. When you use one in the Jedi Knight games, they never hit center in the reticule, compared to the light blaster which always hit center.
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 04, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
The Stormtrooper E-11 blaster rifle is supposedly pretty shit too. When you use one in the Jedi Knight games, they never hit center in the reticule, compared to the light blaster which always hit center.

Irrelevant, those games are no longer canon.
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Post by: beardo on May 04, 2014, 12:11:21 PM
It makes sense though.
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Post by: Pete Svarrior on May 04, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
The Stormtrooper E-11 blaster rifle is supposedly pretty shit too. When you use one in the Jedi Knight games, they never hit center in the reticule, compared to the light blaster which always hit center.
Unless you stop running around like a spastic and using the alt attack 24/7.
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Post by: beardo on May 04, 2014, 12:59:37 PM
hehehehehehehe.
the regular attack is still less accurate then the light blaster.
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Post by: Lord Dave on May 04, 2014, 01:21:10 PM
Irrelevant. Teddy bears beating them is still ridiculous.
Not really. Walkers and speeders are out of their element in the forest (unless you have force reflexes). It's the teddy bears' home and they're using tactics that the Empire isn't used to. Think of it like Indians against the British, where the Indians are fighting in the woods on lands they know and the British can't shoot anything. Seems like a pretty easy win to me.

Just because you can't get past their cute and fuzzy exterior doesn't mean their victory is ridiculous.
This is inaccurate.  The speeder scene clearly showed that the troopers could move at high speed without hitting a tree under normal circumstances.  This shows quick reflexes and skills.piloting at high velocity in a dense forest.

Secondly, the tactics used were: drop rocks
Logs to trip walkers (that one made sense)
Crush with logs.
Bolas

This was their entire tactical arsenal.

And please note that the victory only came when a walker was stolen by chewie.  Before that, they were screwed.  So basically, walkers are shit.  Blasters are shit.  And trooper armor can't even stop a rock thrown by a teddy bear so its double shit. (One rock = dead trooper)
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Post by: rooster on May 04, 2014, 02:36:30 PM
Yeah, the Empire sucks. All they have that's worth anything is Vader, the Emperor, and the Death Star.
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Post by: beardo on May 04, 2014, 08:40:21 PM
I'd like to see these guys actually do something.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080505025343/starwars/images/2/28/RoyalGuardForcePike-BTM.jpg)
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Post by: Rama Set on May 04, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
I'd like to see these guys actually do something.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080505025343/starwars/images/2/28/RoyalGuardForcePike-BTM.jpg)

+1
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Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on May 06, 2014, 08:13:50 AM
Before ST:Into Darkness, I'd have had fairly high hopes for EpVII. However, not only was STID one of the stupidest films I've ever seen, I read comments from the director prety much along the lines of 'this is how I want to make Star Wars!'

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Post by: Ghost of V on May 06, 2014, 08:41:58 AM
I'd like to see these guys actually do something.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080505025343/starwars/images/2/28/RoyalGuardForcePike-BTM.jpg)

Absolutely. These guys were completely neglected in the series and that's one of the primary reasons I hate Star Wars.
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Post by: Foxbox on November 28, 2014, 04:14:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 28, 2014, 04:34:23 PM
That lightsaber with the impractical additions looks silly.
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Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 04:36:24 PM
How are they impractical? They're hand guards. Almost all swords have them.
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Post by: Rushy on November 28, 2014, 04:41:32 PM
How are they impractical? They're hand guards. Almost all swords have them.

Swords have handguards because other swords don't instantly cut through solid metal. This is why, after the introduction of the gun, light swords that didn't have handguards were common.
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Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 04:43:26 PM
Right, and lightsabers don't cut through other lightsabers.
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Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 28, 2014, 04:44:15 PM
How are they impractical? They're hand guards. Almost all swords have them.
Except these handguards seem to be just as likely to cut your hand off as they are to guard it.
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Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 04:45:34 PM
I don't see how.
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Post by: Rushy on November 28, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
Right, and lightsabers don't cut through other lightsabers.

Their handguards aren't completely made out of the laser portion. A lightsaber can easily cut through the metal device that is held in the hand, including the metal knobs that are jutting out at least an inch from the device.

I don't see how.

They are entirely too long.
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Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 05:08:35 PM
Your all morons.
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Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 28, 2014, 05:35:11 PM
How are they impractical? They're hand guards. Almost all swords have them.

The crossguard itself is fine.  The two mini-lightsaber beams on either end of it are moronic and would only be a hazard to whomever was holding it.
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Post by: Lord Dave on November 28, 2014, 06:18:46 PM
I agree, the laser hand guards are a horrible idea.  Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't hand guards designed so that when two blades cross, the enemy can't just slide theirs down your blade and cut your hand?  As far as I see, Lightsabers don't have that problem as sliding doesn't really occur.

The lightsaber is a weapon of finesse.  It's extremely light weight allows you to swing it around very quickly and very close to your body.  Adding lasers sticking out the side gives you less options on how you swing it.  And I get the impression that they're going to throw the "I swing it like a broadsword" which is really stupid for a light saber.

But I shall reserve full judgement for until I see it in action.
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Post by: Vindictus on November 28, 2014, 07:36:17 PM
Yep, I have a weird feeling about this. The hand guards were strangely off putting, opening with a black guy in a stormtrooper outfit had a weird comedic feel to it that didn't suit what should be an epic intro.

The Falcon was awesome, though. That gave me shivers.
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Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 09:02:41 PM
Yep, I have a weird feeling about this. The hand guards were strangely off putting, opening with a black guy in a stormtrooper outfit had a weird comedic feel to it that didn't suit what should be an epic intro.

Indeed. They should have used an actor with a more serious skin color.
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Post by: Ghost of V on November 28, 2014, 09:20:08 PM
Yep, I have a weird feeling about this. The hand guards were strangely off putting, opening with a black guy in a stormtrooper outfit had a weird comedic feel to it that didn't suit what should be an epic intro.

Indeed. They should have used an actor with a more serious skin color.

Like a white guy.
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Post by: Vindictus on November 28, 2014, 09:40:59 PM
Yep, I have a weird feeling about this. The hand guards were strangely off putting, opening with a black guy in a stormtrooper outfit had a weird comedic feel to it that didn't suit what should be an epic intro.

Indeed. They should have used an actor with a more serious skin color.


Black people look funny.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 28, 2014, 10:04:58 PM
Tumblr to the rescue!

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/a78a09f0930c3162ba49996b475eaae7/tumblr_inline_nfrr7diOFW1r7h0b1.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/8b81d5a8d3fa3a02f77df128bc3b31a6/tumblr_inline_nfrresorBm1r7h0b1.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/40512f6292fe7841d0f044e71ac1e65a/tumblr_inline_nfrrf5Wibo1r7h0b1.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/0f2d4180f424d4fd93abb1dad7ddeacc/tumblr_inline_nfrrfipwUK1r7h0b1.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/04e2823dc43fb05b70f4916e9dd45c86/tumblr_inline_nfrrfsFFM71r7h0b1.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/dfc78090b26fbed4b52255b8d593988a/tumblr_inline_nfrrg1LU4B1r7h0b1.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on November 28, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on November 28, 2014, 10:34:32 PM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.

Based on the design, I figure JJ said "I want a broadsword light saber" and that's what they gave him.  Because Broadswords are awesome or something.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on November 28, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.

Based on the design, I figure JJ said "I want a broadsword light saber" and that's what they gave him.  Because Broadswords are awesome or something.
Sure, but having them as vents seems pretty cool. The lightsaber looking unstable in general is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Fortuna on November 28, 2014, 11:52:33 PM
The trailer alone is better than all three of the prequels combined.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on November 28, 2014, 11:54:03 PM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.

Based on the design, I figure JJ said "I want a broadsword light saber" and that's what they gave him.  Because Broadswords are awesome or something.

What made the lightsaber so iconic is that is was already perfect. He took something perfect and fucked it all up.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on November 28, 2014, 11:56:07 PM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.

Based on the design, I figure JJ said "I want a broadsword light saber" and that's what they gave him.  Because Broadswords are awesome or something.

What made the lightsaber so iconic is that is was already perfect. He took something perfect and fucked it all up.

You think all of the lightsabers in the movie are going to be like that? Lightsaber variants have existed for a long time. Actually, a crossguard variant has existed for a long time.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 29, 2014, 12:17:49 AM
It's a bit of a recent cliché to make them so prominent, and is overstaying its welcome
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on November 29, 2014, 12:20:14 AM
You think all of the lightsabers in the movie are going to be like that?

Maybe? I'd have to see the whole movie to answer this.

Lightsaber variants have existed for a long time. Actually, a crossguard variant has existed for a long time.

I'm not Saddam, lore lore lore is not an interest point on my end.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on November 29, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
You think all of the lightsabers in the movie are going to be like that?

Maybe?

Okay, well, you are stupid.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Fortuna on November 29, 2014, 12:23:00 AM
It's obvious why they did it. Just like in The Phantom Menace, there has to be a new type of light saber to drum up interest and hype. Maybe we should direct our collective autism towards discussing how people can hurl boulders with their minds instead.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on November 29, 2014, 12:24:34 AM
Star Trek universe could easily take the Star Wars universe in a battle. Fuck, even the Stargate universe would obliterate Star Wars with little to no effort at all.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on November 29, 2014, 12:24:50 AM
It's obvious why they did it. Just like in The Phantom Menace, there has to be a new type of light saber to drum up interest and hype. Maybe we should direct our collective autism towards discussing how people can hurl boulders with their minds instead.

With the force, you autist.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on November 29, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
It's obvious why they did it. Just like in The Phantom Menace, there has to be a new type of light saber to drum up interest and hype. Maybe we should direct our collective autism towards discussing how people can hurl boulders with their minds instead.

With the force, you autist.

You mean a severe blood infection? All Jedis probably have a serious case of AIDS.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on November 29, 2014, 12:28:53 AM
Muh midichlorians

I really fucking hope they don't persist with that.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on November 29, 2014, 12:38:58 AM
omg. I know more about Star Wars lore than you plebs and I don't even really like Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on November 29, 2014, 12:43:46 AM
/tv/ does PP one up:

http://imgur.com/a/8dmVc
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on November 29, 2014, 12:52:31 AM
I don't think they're intended as hand guards.

The saber seemed faulty. Like this is a person who had no master and made a saber with no guidance. They look more like vents that help stabilize that chaotic energy.

Based on the design, I figure JJ said "I want a broadsword light saber" and that's what they gave him.  Because Broadswords are awesome or something.

What made the lightsaber so iconic is that is was already perfect. He took something perfect and fucked it all up.

You think all of the lightsabers in the movie are going to be like that? Lightsaber variants have existed for a long time. Actually, a crossguard variant has existed for a long time.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crossguard_lightsaber

errr...
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on November 29, 2014, 01:14:40 AM
And then we also have these things:
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080717191916/starwars/images/a/ae/Emperors_Shadow_Guard.jpg)

And these:
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081018191342/starwars/images/1/17/Guard_shoto.jpg)
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091120173916/starwars/images/4/47/Maris_Brood.jpg)

Also, these:
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100711015042/starwars/images/e/ef/Ubese_Thorn-Back_War_Dragon.JPG)

And let's not forget these:
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070622111718/starwars/images/d/d2/Githany_lightwhip.jpg)
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100309191422/starwars/images/d/d9/Nightsister_Lightwhip.jpg)

Not to mention these:
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110918165551/starwars/images/a/a6/Darksaber-SWE.jpg)
(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111102223010/starwars/images/b/b3/DarksaberRender.jpg)
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100130031114/starwars/images/3/3c/Kenobi_vs_Vizsla.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 29, 2014, 02:40:49 AM
/tv/ does PP one up:

http://imgur.com/a/8dmVc
I'm dying of laughter.

Moar:
(https://38.media.tumblr.com/9abf50a46cbda337722a3882e2ab04e8/tumblr_nfs3jis8cf1tf8mq6o1_1280.jpg)
(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/t31.0-8/10708500_10154921699100078_2219194055436361660_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 29, 2014, 02:57:26 AM
Only the movies and that shitty CGI cartoon nobody watched are canon now, remember?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Eddy Baby on November 29, 2014, 08:00:59 AM
Let's also talk about how the name is shit
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: la xasop on November 29, 2014, 08:12:33 AM
Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on November 29, 2014, 08:20:52 AM
I'm totally on board with that. Trailers often end up giving vastly different impressions of the final movie, and that's especially true with such an early pre-post-production trailer.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Crudblud on November 29, 2014, 09:05:07 AM
Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?
No, no, you don't understand. It's all about this (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trailer+review) now.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Foxbox on November 29, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?

This.


Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?
No, no, you don't understand. It's all about this (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=trailer+review) now.

That is yuck.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on November 29, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
No.

Internet + Nerd lore = tons of analyzing. Just embrace it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on November 29, 2014, 06:18:19 PM
Star Trek universe could easily take the Star Wars universe in a battle. Fuck, even the Stargate universe would obliterate Star Wars with little to no effort at all.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 29, 2014, 06:24:02 PM
Knock if off, Vauxy.  We already had that dumb troll discussion.

Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?

No.  The whole point of a trailer is to promote and raise awareness of a movie.  We are entirely within our rights to form first impressions of the movie and discuss what we think it will be like based on said trailer.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 29, 2014, 06:26:52 PM
Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?
Shitty crossguard lightsaber jokes or GTFO m8
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on November 29, 2014, 11:39:07 PM
Considering the amount of times that hands get chopped off in SW, a crossguard seems like an eminently sensible development. You wonder why more lightsabres don't have hand and wrist protection.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Eddy Baby on November 30, 2014, 10:55:22 AM
Yeah but considering how easy they get sewn back on who gives a fuck. Star Wars Episode VII: Deal With The Pain
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on November 30, 2014, 01:33:06 PM
They don't get sewn back on. They get replaced with prostheses.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Eddy Baby on November 30, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
Watch out mate this is the real world what if I come over there and cut your hand off and throw it in the sea nobody will be able to sew that back on
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on November 30, 2014, 01:38:27 PM
Irrelevant.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on November 30, 2014, 07:37:56 PM
Considering the amount of times that hands get chopped off in SW, a crossguard seems like an eminently sensible development. You wonder why more lightsabres don't have hand and wrist protection.
Except this particular design won't do shit for you. If you're sliding your saber down that saber, you're not gonna hit the crossguard's functional surface. You're gonna hit the metal hilt, which is not very good at resisting lightsabers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A&t=235)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on November 30, 2014, 10:34:29 PM
Considering the amount of times that hands get chopped off in SW, a crossguard seems like an eminently sensible development. You wonder why more lightsabres don't have hand and wrist protection.
Except this particular design won't do shit for you. If you're sliding your saber down that saber, you're not gonna hit the crossguard's functional surface. You're gonna hit the metal hilt, which is not very good at resisting lightsabers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A&t=235)

Except that there are several materials which can withstand a blow from a lightsaber. Cortosis and Mandalorian iron are the two most well known. It's also possible that the two crossbeams originate from within the hilt, so even if the metal encasing them was pierced, the beam itself would still block the blow.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on November 30, 2014, 11:17:27 PM
Considering the amount of times that hands get chopped off in SW, a crossguard seems like an eminently sensible development. You wonder why more lightsabres don't have hand and wrist protection.
Except this particular design won't do shit for you. If you're sliding your saber down that saber, you're not gonna hit the crossguard's functional surface. You're gonna hit the metal hilt, which is not very good at resisting lightsabers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQxrJBNQg4A&t=235)

Except that there are several materials which can withstand a blow from a lightsaber. Cortosis and Mandalorian iron are the two most well known. It's also possible that the two crossbeams originate from within the hilt, so even if the metal encasing them was pierced, the beam itself would still block the blow.

Do these materials exist in the canonical universe of six movies and a TV show?  Really, I'm not stressing this point to be funny, or to wind up SW nerds or anything.  We can't be relying on the EU for background information anymore.  There's no C0DA here, no wheel-shaped universe.  All the video games and novels and whatnot are nothing more than fanfiction now.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on November 30, 2014, 11:21:31 PM
Do these materials exist in the canonical universe of six movies and a TV show?

I don't know or care.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on December 02, 2014, 05:45:00 AM
Is there an in-story/lore explanation as to why Star Wars droids looks so primitive?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on December 02, 2014, 05:51:50 PM
Primitive compared to what?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Crudblud on December 02, 2014, 06:02:50 PM
Knock if off, Vauxy.  We already had that dumb troll discussion.

Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?

No.  The whole point of a trailer is to promote and raise awareness of a movie.  We are entirely within our rights to form first impressions of the movie and discuss what we think it will be like based on said trailer.

Based on the trailer, all I can see is that it will have familiar Star Wars things and a black dude in a desert who triggers a jump scare sting every time he appears on screen. Yep, I sure am informed about this here movie I haven't seen.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on December 02, 2014, 06:38:55 PM
Primitive compared to what?
They're stiff walking tin-men and rolling garbage cans that communicates with robotic voices and bleeps and bloops. Considering that there exists near-human looking robots in real life, I would say that's pretty fucking primitive, considering the level of technology existing in Star Wars.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 02, 2014, 06:56:00 PM
Primitive compared to what?
They're stiff walking tin-men and rolling garbage cans that communicates with robotic voices and bleeps and bloops. Considering that there exists near-human looking robots in real life, I would say that's pretty fucking primitive, considering the level of technology existing in Star Wars.

The real explanation is props are easier to make when they're blocky droids or a dude in a suit. It's also an aesthetic choice.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Blanko on December 02, 2014, 07:32:31 PM
Do these materials exist in the canonical universe of six movies and a TV show?

Yes: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electrostaff
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on December 02, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Is there an in-story/lore explanation as to why Star Wars droids looks so primitive?

It's supposed to look like vintage sci-fi. Remember, Star Wars takes place "a long time ago."
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on December 02, 2014, 07:46:13 PM
Is there an in-story/lore explanation as to why Star Wars droids looks so primitive?

It's supposed to look like vintage sci-fi. Remember, Star Wars takes place "a long time ago."


(http://i.imgur.com/DAXC3Sg.jpg)

So vintage
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on December 02, 2014, 08:10:34 PM
Yeah.. clunky and gray.

This is what I'd call a futuristic spacecraft (which are the words I searched in Google to find this thing).
(http://i61.tinypic.com/dnc0he.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on December 02, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
This one is my favorite

(http://i.imgur.com/naRBGnN.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on December 02, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
This one is my favorite

(http://i.imgur.com/naRBGnN.jpg)
That Y-wing is gonna get real hot real fast in space.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on December 02, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Do you think that things can't get hot in space?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on December 02, 2014, 11:08:41 PM
Do you think that things can't get hot in space?
I think venting heat in space requires more than a few vents.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on December 02, 2014, 11:09:43 PM
How would you vent heat in space then, if not by using vents?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on December 03, 2014, 01:26:53 AM
How would you vent heat in space then, if not by using vents?

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast21mar_1/

Radiation!  A vent would be useless. But a heat exchange?  Much better.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on December 03, 2014, 05:20:38 AM
rekt
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 03, 2014, 04:37:43 PM
inb4 pedant conversation of the definition of "vent"
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Blanko on December 03, 2014, 06:31:39 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2o4hhp/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_part_2/

If this is legit, then there's a very good chance the film will end up being actually good.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 03, 2014, 06:35:54 PM
Any Star Wars film that isn't directed solely by George Lucas has a fair chance of being good.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on December 03, 2014, 06:37:50 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2o4hhp/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_part_2/

If this is legit, then there's a very good chance the film will end up being actually good.

They're replacing Luke with a black guy? I'm not happy about this.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Blanko on December 03, 2014, 06:38:44 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2o4hhp/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_part_2/

If this is legit, then there's a very good chance the film will end up being actually good.

They're replacing Luke with a black guy? I'm not happy about this.

das raycis
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 03, 2014, 09:37:15 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2nyd64/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_possible/
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/2o4hhp/rumor_potential_4chan_episode_vii_leak_part_2/

If this is legit, then there's a very good chance the film will end up being actually good.

tl;dr
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 03, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
Quote
The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.

Stopped reading here.  If they're actually retconning the end of the original trilogy, I'm not interested.  Fucking lazy hacks.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on December 04, 2014, 01:08:19 AM
Quote
The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.

Stopped reading here.  If they're actually retconning the end of the original trilogy, I'm not interested.  Fucking lazy hacks.
Not sure what you mean.  The end of the trilogy was a party on Endor.  Nothing was shown after that.  And if the Emporer dies, do you really think all the generals and storm troopers will just say "Ok, you win.  We give up."?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 04, 2014, 01:34:43 AM
A lot of Star Wars post ep 6 EU goes into the workings of the galaxy after the Empire was defeated. It really isn't outlandish when you remember, as LD pointed out, that there was still an entire Empire now without a leader.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on December 04, 2014, 09:14:26 AM
Quote
The opening crawl details the ongoing turmoil in the galaxy. How the fall of the Emperor left a void of power, and how the heroes of Endor went into seclusion or kept fighting.

Stopped reading here.  If they're actually retconning the end of the original trilogy, I'm not interested.  Fucking lazy hacks.

?

The end of ep.6 lef millions of stormtroopers, thousands of starships, a vast interstellar network of generals, Grand Moffs, governors, and the rest of the Imperial machinery. did you think that would just roll over when the Emperor and his enforcer died?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 04, 2014, 03:51:37 PM
And if the Emporer dies, do you really think all the generals and storm troopers will just say "Ok, you win.  We give up."?

The end of ep.6 lef millions of stormtroopers, thousands of starships, a vast interstellar network of generals, Grand Moffs, governors, and the rest of the Imperial machinery. did you think that would just roll over when the Emperor and his enforcer died?

No.  What I did think/expect, though, is that it would be a very important victory that would be a real step towards the Rebellion definitively ending the war.  In other words, that it would matter.  Shit like "Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition" along with the implication that the Empire still has the upper hand (hence the heroes being in exile) tells us that no, it didn't matter.  None of the original trilogy seems to have mattered in the long run.  They didn't beat the Empire, they didn't come even remotely close to beating the Empire, so what was the point?  What was accomplished during the original trilogy?

Even setting that aside, from a storytelling perspective, it's just lazy.  There's a whole galaxy out there for them to come up with new conflicts and new antagonists from.  They don't need to be rehashing the past like this.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 04, 2014, 03:57:15 PM
No.  What I did think/expect, though, is that it would be a very important victory that would be a real step towards the Rebellion definitively ending the war.  In other words, that it would matter.  Shit like "Some 30-40 years have passed since Return of the Jedi, and the Empire and New Republic have been locked in a war of attrition" along with the implication that the Empire still has the upper hand (hence the heroes being in exile) tells us that no, it didn't matter.  None of the original trilogy seems to have mattered in the long run.  They didn't beat the Empire, they didn't come even remotely close to beating the Empire, so what was the point?  What was accomplished during the original trilogy?

Even setting that aside, from a storytelling perspective, it's just lazy.  There's a whole galaxy out there for them to come up with new conflicts and new antagonists from.  They don't need to be rehashing the past like this.

What did you honestly expect blowing up a single spacestation would do, Saddam? You're not making any sense. The Death Star wasn't even being built to fight the rebels in the first place.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on December 04, 2014, 03:58:13 PM
Stop being dense, Saddam. This has all been a planned story. It's not lazy if you're just continuing with the entire narrative.

"It's a nine-part saga that has a beginning, a middle and an end. It progresses over a period of about fifty or sixty years with about twenty years between trilogies, each trilogy taking about six or seven years." Lucas said that back in the 70s.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 04, 2014, 03:59:25 PM
Saddam must be down on his complaining quota so now he has to complain about things that aren't even problems.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 04, 2014, 04:19:33 PM
Stop being dense, Saddam. This has all been a planned story. It's not lazy if you're just continuing with the entire narrative.

"It's a nine-part saga that has a beginning, a middle and an end. It progresses over a period of about fifty or sixty years with about twenty years between trilogies, each trilogy taking about six or seven years." Lucas said that back in the 70s.

Lucas has said a whole bunch of different things about how many movies he had planned, and most of them contradicted each other:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_sequel_trilogy

It does seem to be pretty clear that these new movies aren't being based on anything that Lucas had planned, though.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on December 04, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
"That Disney would probably use Lucas's outlines as the basis for the sequel trilogy. "That’s in part what Disney bought."[34]"

"The original idea as I understood it—and Lucas changes his mind off and on, so it may not be what he’s thinking right now—but it was going to be three generations. You’d have the original trilogy, then go back to Luke’s father and find out what happened to him, and if there was another seventh, eighth, or ninth film, it would be Luke's children."[35]

"Star Wars: The Force Awakens is to take place approximately 30 years after the events of Return of the Jedi and will revolve around a younger cast of actors together with characters from the original trilogy, including Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Princess Leia along with C-3PO, R2-D2 and Chewbacca, who have been confirmed to return"

It seems to me they're sticking to his original outline.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on December 04, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
The Empire wasn't gone after the Battle of Endor in the EU either. Grand Admiral Thrawn kicked the Republics arses more than Vader and Palpatine ever did to the Rebellion.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 04, 2014, 08:24:29 PM
Well, it did matter that the Empire didn't get another giant ball of death that could destroy worlds. So, there's that. Also the 2 most powerful Sith in the Galaxy are dead.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 10, 2014, 01:23:15 AM
Hey, aren't old people objectively just hilarious?  No?  Well, that's too bad, because that's the only joke the comedy masters of SNL could think of in this dumb "parody," for lack of a better word:

http://gizmodo.com/snls-star-wars-trailer-remember-everybodys-old-as-hel-1668213873

Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on December 10, 2014, 05:27:26 AM
SNL is still a thing? Give it a rest guys.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: beardo on December 10, 2014, 05:28:28 AM
http://gizmodo.com/snls-star-wars-trailer-remember-everybodys-old-as-hel-1668213873
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Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States
Pathetic.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 16, 2014, 06:49:38 PM
http://www.latino-review.com/news/exclusive-guess-who-else-is-back-in-star-wars-episode-vii-and-viii

I know this is a few months old and all, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out to be true.  They're rehashing the Empire, so they might as well rehash the Emperor while they're at it.  Also:

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-Emperor-Palpatine-Finally-Has-First-Name-It-Weird-67728.html
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Blanko on December 16, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Based Sheev
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on January 14, 2015, 05:45:58 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2015/01/12/george-lucas-strange-magic-movie/21624493/

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Lucas already started to develop the next three Star Wars films, but he knew a third trilogy was a 10-year commitment at least. He at first expected to finish Episode VII, release it in May 2015 and then sell the company afterward.

But Disney expressed interest and came along at the right moment, Lucas says. "It's better for me to get out at the beginning of a new thing and I can just remove myself.

We dodged a bullet there.  Excellent timing, Disney.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on January 14, 2015, 08:19:56 PM
Why does everyone seem to hate George Lucas? He created the damn series. Show some respect, plebs.

Keep in mind that George Lucas has never even heard of you.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on January 15, 2015, 12:19:47 AM
Why does everyone seem to hate George Lucas? He created the damn series. Show some respect, plebs.

Keep in mind that George Lucas has never even heard of you.

I know this is meant to be inflammatory, and while I do feel a lot of blame is misplaced on Lucas, many people do not know how much of a hand he had even in the first movie. Lucas came up with the idea, he also contributed greatly on a creative level to the original film, but he was still reined in by the producers and the studio. It's widely accepted that the original film was a bloated piece of shit (remind you of the new trilogy?) before it was properly edited into the final release. Even then, the original film, Lucas' so called work of art, still had some glaring flaws and as far as movies go was barely above average. It wasn't until the sequels that the series really soared, and where was Lucas during those? Relegated to producer and co-writer, mostly on his decision.

We all saw what happens when he's allowed to do what he wants with little restraint, and I think we can all agree that no one wants any more of those movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on January 15, 2015, 12:21:30 AM
I guess you could say the negotiations were short.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 17, 2015, 01:56:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngElkyQ6Rhs

Why are the only shots of the black stormtrooper that they've shown so far close-ups on his sweaty face while he pants?  Especially seeing how he's supposed to be one of the main characters.  This is not how you should be introducing your main character to the audience.  Nobody in the world can look compelling while they're sweaty and panting.  Oh, well.  At least a black guy and a woman are going to be the main characters.  Social justice for all!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on April 17, 2015, 01:59:17 AM
Main characters are black, female and both homos.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 17, 2015, 02:03:40 AM
Do you have any evidence that either of them are homos?  Personally, I think that C-3PO and R2-D2 have already done a fine job of representing the gay community in these movies.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on April 17, 2015, 02:09:37 AM
If you're gonna go SJW, you gotta go SJW all the way. The newer stormtroopers will be all female clones instead of all male clones and a character will comment that the female clones are better in every way.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on April 17, 2015, 02:49:01 AM
I actually teared up a bit at the Han Solo/Chewie part. What is wrong with me?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on April 17, 2015, 02:56:34 AM
I actually teared up a bit at the Han Solo/Chewie part. What is wrong with me?

You have BAWtism. :'(
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on April 18, 2015, 01:33:11 PM
The action looks good but there's a few things I'm iffy about.

1. Why in the name of the force would the falcon fly into a star destroyer's engine?  That's a one way trip.
2. Why is a single tie fighter such a problem?  They took out four of those suckers and barely had any damage in episode 4.
3. Tattoine again?!  Seriously?  This is probably the planet that has had the most screen time in the entire franchise.  It has been shown in every single fucking movie except Episode 5.  Why is this planet so popular?  It's a god damn desert inhabited by midgets and generic nomads with sticks.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on April 18, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
3. Tattoine again?!  Seriously?  This is probably the planet that has had the most screen time in the entire franchise.  It has been shown in every single fucking movie except Episode 5.  Why is this planet so popular?  It's a god damn desert inhabited by midgets and generic nomads with sticks.

The planet's core is filled with the force bacteria. Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on April 18, 2015, 03:21:33 PM
Initial thoughts:

1) "The Force is strong in my family. My Father has it..." Not 'had' it, but 'has' it. Does this refer to Vader as the spirit/ ghost form that we saw in the medal ceremony in RotJ, or is Vader still alive, somehow?

2) Get the black guy an inhaler! Seriously.

3) I still hate that stupid R2DBall

4) Chewie looks good considering it's been thirty years. They could have put a few greys in him.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on April 18, 2015, 03:25:30 PM
4) Chewie looks good considering it's been thirty years. They could have put a few greys in him.

(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/209/2/c/loreal_chewbacca_by_johnberrydougan-d58wry6.jpg)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on April 18, 2015, 03:48:39 PM
So the desert isn't tattoine, apparently.

So I'll have to withdraw at least one complaint.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: la xasop on April 18, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
Wow, this conversation seems awfully familiar. Oh wait.

Hey guys, I have an idea. Why not wait until the film comes out and go see it and then criticise the movie they're actually making instead of the one you think they're making based on a 2-minute trailer?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on April 18, 2015, 04:00:31 PM
Wow, this conversation seems awfully familiar. Oh wait.

Hey guys, I have an idea. Stop having fun speculating about things which interest you based on the information provided thus far. Only things which concern me are worth talking about

Fix'd
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on April 18, 2015, 04:07:13 PM
I think it looks great. I love the BB-8 and I'm excited about a protagonist female who is not a princess or politician. I also really hope the sith is a female, but I suppose that would be asking for too much.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on April 18, 2015, 04:57:03 PM
1) "The Force is strong in my family. My Father has it..." Not 'had' it, but 'has' it. Does this refer to Vader as the spirit/ ghost form that we saw in the medal ceremony in RotJ, or is Vader still alive, somehow?

I think that was just them playing his line from RotJ.

And no, rooster, this isn't based on any plans that Lucas claimed he had for later movies.  He's a liar.  Don't take his word for anything.
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Post by: Vindictus on April 21, 2015, 07:07:20 AM
I think it looks great. I love the BB-8 and I'm excited about a protagonist female who is not a princess or politician. I also really hope the sith is a female, but I suppose that would be asking for too much.

99% sure the Sith is a male.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: jroa on April 21, 2015, 05:37:29 PM
4) Chewie looks good considering it's been thirty years. They could have put a few greys in him.

I thought Chewbacca was around 200 years old and in the prime of his life in the original.  30 years is not shit to him. 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on May 04, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
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For some Star Wars fans, there’s no May the Fourth news finer than this: director J. J. Abrams revealed that he’s thought about killing off the very controversial Jar Jar Binks. Sitting in an edit bay at his Bad Robot production office and pointing to a frame of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Abrams told Vanity Fair contributing editor Bruce Handy, “I have a thought about putting Jar Jar Binks’s bones in the desert there. I’m serious! Only three people will notice, but they’ll love it.”

J.J Abrams: DO YOU GUYS LIKE ME NOW?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on May 04, 2015, 08:30:06 PM
I don't know about everybody else, but I like Jar Jar Binks. I'd go as far to say that he's my favorite character in the series. He adds much needed humor to the newer triology, and I think he adds a lot of personality to the overall cast.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Blanko on May 04, 2015, 08:32:53 PM
I don't like this bait
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 05, 2015, 11:45:42 PM
Abrams is notorious for putting incredibly blatant attempts at pandering to fans in his works, which frequently backfire because of how on the nose and predictable they end up being.  If he really does include this, there's no way it would be anything so subtle that only a few people would notice.  Abrams does not do subtlety.  Anyway, it's still a dumb idea.  I don't want to see or be reminded of Jar Jar at all.  What the movie really needs to do is just focus on telling its own story and leave the past where it is.

Of course, seeing how they're handwaving away the supposedly-happy ending of RotJ and rehashing the Empire as antagonists, it may be too late to hope for something like that.  inb4 Benedict Cumberbatch is cast as a clone of the Emperor.  They should exclusively refer to him as Sheev.
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Post by: Rama Set on May 05, 2015, 11:52:50 PM
Even Lucas realized that Jar Jar was a bad idea by Episode III. Unless Abrams is having Jar Jar's grandchild drawn and quartered, I can live with that.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on May 06, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
Abrams is notorious for putting incredibly blatant attempts at pandering to fans in his works, which frequently backfire because of how on the nose and predictable they end up being.  If Abrams really does include this, there's no way it would be anything so subtle that only a few people would notice.  Abrams does not do subtlety.  Anyway, it's still a dumb idea.  I don't want to see or be reminded of Jar Jar at all.  What the movie really needs to do is just focus on telling its own story and leave the past where it is.

Of course, seeing how they're handwaving away the supposedly-happy ending of RotJ and rehashing the Empire as antagonists, it may be too late to hope for something like that.  inb4 Benedict Cumberbatch is cast as a clone of the Emperor.  They should exclusively refer to him as Sheev.

I think it would be really rad if there were a scene where Jay Jay walks up to Jar Jar, winks directly at the audience, and shoots him in the head with a big shotgun.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on May 06, 2015, 12:01:51 AM
Abrams is notorious for putting incredibly blatant attempts at pandering to fans in his works, which frequently backfire because of how on the nose and predictable they end up being.  If Abrams really does include this, there's no way it would be anything so subtle that only a few people would notice.  Abrams does not do subtlety.  Anyway, it's still a dumb idea.  I don't want to see or be reminded of Jar Jar at all.  What the movie really needs to do is just focus on telling its own story and leave the past where it is.

Of course, seeing how they're handwaving away the supposedly-happy ending of RotJ and rehashing the Empire as antagonists, it may be too late to hope for something like that.  inb4 Benedict Cumberbatch is cast as a clone of the Emperor.  They should exclusively refer to him as Sheev.

In fairness, it makes sense that the fighting didn't stop with Episode 6. Endor was only a contingent of the Empire's fleet, although it did contain their leadership. I mean, it's supposed to be a galactic empire, so it would be surprising that 1 space battle ended them entirely. Much of the extended universe deals with it, even though they're throwing that out.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on May 06, 2015, 12:25:28 AM
I've never seen a coherent reason for anyone's vehement hatred of Binks. Feels like some bandwagon shit to me.

Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on May 06, 2015, 01:00:10 AM
I've never seen a coherent reason for anyone's vehement hatred of Binks. Feels like some bandwagon shit to me.

Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

The prequels had much bigger problems. Jar Jar is just an easy target. He's a shoe horned, arguably racist caricature that serves no purpose besides extremely forced comic relief. But I don't feel strongly on him at all, and including his bones comes across as very fan-servicey.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on May 06, 2015, 02:14:44 AM
Abrams is notorious for putting incredibly blatant attempts at pandering to fans in his works, which frequently backfire because of how on the nose and predictable they end up being.  If Abrams really does include this, there's no way it would be anything so subtle that only a few people would notice.  Abrams does not do subtlety.  Anyway, it's still a dumb idea.  I don't want to see or be reminded of Jar Jar at all.  What the movie really needs to do is just focus on telling its own story and leave the past where it is.

Of course, seeing how they're handwaving away the supposedly-happy ending of RotJ and rehashing the Empire as antagonists, it may be too late to hope for something like that.  inb4 Benedict Cumberbatch is cast as a clone of the Emperor.  They should exclusively refer to him as Sheev.


You talkin' bout this?

Quote
MY NAME IS... KHAN!

Kirk: "Should that, should that like mean something to us?"

DIDN'T YOU HEAR ME? MY NAME IS... KHAN!

Kirk: "I'm still not seeing it..."

I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU, I'M BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL RIGHT NOW! MY NAME IS KHAAAAAAN!
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on May 06, 2015, 02:33:17 AM
Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

Why should that not be sufficient?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost of V on May 06, 2015, 02:40:12 AM
Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

Why should that not be sufficient?

That's sufficient on a personal level, but almost an entire fanbase?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Particle Person on May 06, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

Why should that not be sufficient?

That's sufficient on a personal level, but almost an entire fanbase?

Fanbases are composed solely of persons who feel things on a personal level, so yes.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on May 06, 2015, 08:39:09 PM
I've never seen a coherent reason for anyone's vehement hatred of Binks. Feels like some bandwagon shit to me.

Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

The prequels had much bigger problems. Jar Jar is just an easy target. He's a shoe horned, arguably racist caricature that serves no purpose besides extremely forced comic relief. But I don't feel strongly on him at all, and including his bones comes across as very fan-servicey.

Wisely stated.

Abrams is notorious for putting incredibly blatant attempts at pandering to fans in his works, which frequently backfire because of how on the nose and predictable they end up being.  If Abrams really does include this, there's no way it would be anything so subtle that only a few people would notice.  Abrams does not do subtlety.  Anyway, it's still a dumb idea.  I don't want to see or be reminded of Jar Jar at all.  What the movie really needs to do is just focus on telling its own story and leave the past where it is.

Of course, seeing how they're handwaving away the supposedly-happy ending of RotJ and rehashing the Empire as antagonists, it may be too late to hope for something like that.  inb4 Benedict Cumberbatch is cast as a clone of the Emperor.  They should exclusively refer to him as Sheev.


You talkin' bout this?

Quote
MY NAME IS... KHAN!

Kirk: "Should that, should that like mean something to us?"

DIDN'T YOU HEAR ME? MY NAME IS... KHAN!

Kirk: "I'm still not seeing it..."

I'M NOT TALKING TO YOU, I'M BREAKING THE FOURTH WALL RIGHT NOW! MY NAME IS KHAAAAAAN!

Yes, that was one particularly egregious example.  Another would be those idiot thieves on Lost whom nobody liked and so were killed off in the most ridiculously mean-spirited way possible.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on August 12, 2015, 05:09:13 PM
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/12/star-wars-luke-skywalker-hooked-jj-abrams

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Undeterred, Kennedy persuaded [Abrams] to helm Star Wars: The Force Awakens by asking a simple question, one with the potential to upend our core beliefs about the galaxy far, far away. “In the context of talking about story and laying out what we were thinking, I said one thing to him,” Kennedy recalls. “‘Who is Luke Skywalker?’”

Abrams, who’s 49 now but was only 11 when the original Star Wars debuted in 1977, decided he needed to know the answer, even if he had to devise it himself. “He said, ‘Oh my God, I just got the chills. I’m in,’” Kennedy says. “I mean, it really was almost that quickly.”

Uh, deep?

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“Any good story has conflict,” Abrams says. “And if all were rosy 30-some years post-Jedi, we would be hard-pressed to find an interesting story to tell.”

And therefore, they decided to just rehash the conflict from the original trilogy instead of coming up with their own.

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The Empire has morphed into a junta known as The First Order, while X-Wing pilots like Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron now fly for a splinter group known as the Resistance.

Like I said.  Yes, I'm still mad about this.  This isn't The Wire in space.  It's science fantasy; a lighthearted space opera.  There's no need for it to be so realistic as to depict a galactic war just stretching on endlessly.  And no, before those of you too lazy to read my previous posts ask me yet again, I'm not saying that blowing up the second Death Star and killing the Emperor would have ended the war instantly.  But it's not a huge stretch to just say that at some point in the thirty years or so since the end of the original trilogy, the war was more or less wrapped up, so that these movies can focus on telling their own stories, not dredging up the past to tell that story again.  Seeing how apparently nobody agrees with me, I'll leave it at that and stop bitching about it.  Just imagine me with a disapproving look on my face as I sadly shake my head.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Pete Svarrior on August 12, 2015, 05:42:22 PM
I agree, Star Period of Relative Peace would be an excellent movie.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on August 12, 2015, 07:38:52 PM
I agree with Saddam.  The war should be over with the exception of maybe a few imperial loyal systems still around.

Then they can focus on the solo twins and their conflict.

Also: who is Luke Skywalker?  Really?  They answered that in the original trilogy.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on August 13, 2015, 02:20:04 PM
I've never seen a coherent reason for anyone's vehement hatred of Binks. Feels like some bandwagon shit to me.

Can anyone offer something better than: "he's annoying"?

He's a massive screen-hog. Every time he's in frame, all the action has to be about Jar Jar and his 'hilarious' antics, like the Droid-v-Gungan battle of Naboo. That had the potential to be as awesome as the Battle of Hoth, a big set-piece battle with thousands of troops, very different fighting styles, all whilst knowing that the Gungans were just fighting to buy time - a backs-against-the-wall standoff which could have actually shown us why the Trade federation were so bad. Instead, in comes Jar Jar, bumping into battle droids, dropping those blue ball-things, flailing his arms about like a loon and generally being an attention whore.

If he'd just been an incidental character who gave the Jedi the directions to Boss Nass, I doubt he'd be remembered, much less hated.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: markjo on August 14, 2015, 03:27:14 AM
Seeing how apparently nobody agrees with me, I'll leave it at that and stop bitching about it.
I doubt it.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on October 02, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
shitpost

Thanks for adding to the discussion, markjo. ::)

In relevant news:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-force-awakens-kathleen-828680

How many movies are they going to be making? ???  Also:

http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-bits-more-force-awakens-books-general-hux-admiral-ackbar-and-more/

Admiral Ackbar is back.  I really hope there won't be any jokey references to the "It's a trap!" meme.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on October 02, 2015, 03:22:59 AM
No, you'll just find out Admiral Ackbar's first name is "Allah".
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Crudblud on October 02, 2015, 10:55:24 AM
How many movies are they going to be making?

You're surprised that a major fantasy franchise is hopping on the cinematic universe bandwagon?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on October 20, 2015, 10:36:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGbxmsDFVnE

Looks good.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on October 20, 2015, 01:34:31 PM
An epic story where Jedis are downtrodden and forgotten, then one newbie rises up to defeat the Evil Empire (This time he's black, folks!) In theaters December 16!



Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on October 23, 2015, 10:08:04 PM
Rushy, in all of his insight, manages to discern similarities between Ep 4 and Ep 7. You truly are a God among men.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on October 24, 2015, 12:58:49 PM
I haven't got tickets to see this the day it comes out. And no doubt social media will be full of spoilers the same day. Some prick will give the modern day equivalent of "Darth Vader is Luke's father" away and ruin the film for me before I get to watch it. Fuck facebook. :(

Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: la xasop on October 24, 2015, 01:23:14 PM
I haven't got tickets to see this the day it comes out. And no doubt social media will be full of spoilers the same day. Some prick will give the modern day equivalent of "Darth Vader is Luke's father" away and ruin the film for me before I get to watch it. Fuck facebook. :(

Have you considered simply not reading Facebook until you've seen the film?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on October 24, 2015, 01:45:46 PM
Or read threads here. Or use Twitter. Or watch youtube. Or read comment sections in news. Its going to be practically impossible to avoid spoilers for this.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on October 24, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
Rushy, in all of his insight, manages to discern similarities between Ep 4 and Ep 7. You truly are a God among men.

Yes, I know.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 06, 2015, 02:33:00 AM
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/20/george-lucas-star-wars-force-awakens-breakup

Disney looked at what Lucas was planning and explicitly rejected it.  So, no, rooster, these new movies are not a part of Lucas's master plan. >:(
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: rooster on December 06, 2015, 05:39:06 PM
It seems like they kept some ideas. But if not, then whatevs.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 06, 2015, 06:22:23 PM
George can't have his cake and eat it, too. When you sell your IP for four bajillion dollars, surprise, you don't own it anymore.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 16, 2015, 10:37:01 PM
For what it's worth, the reviews are overwhelmingly positive:

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens/

That being said, though, everyone seems to agree that the movie is practically a remake of A New Hope, and prioritizes Abrams-style fanservice over innovation.  I suppose it's hard to blame them for playing it safe with the story after the prequels.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: lolwut? on December 16, 2015, 10:56:30 PM
LOL at grown men giving 2 shits about Star Trek Wars. 
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Fortuna on December 17, 2015, 08:42:19 PM
You can't even read Facebook comments on posts unrelated to Star Wars now, because retards are commenting with spoilers.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on December 17, 2015, 11:56:10 PM
An epic story where Jedis are downtrodden and forgotten, then one newbie rises up to defeat the Evil Empire (This time he's black, folks!) In theaters December 16!




I have now seen starwars.


Warning ... incoming spoiler.

The film was good, but Disney had to go down the interracial relationship route. There isn't a single eligible white guy in the universe. Only a black guy is virtuous and loyal and would stand up to the empire and is worth the leading lady's attention. Fuck Disney. >:(
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Rushy on December 18, 2015, 01:27:34 AM
Man if only we had some kind of spoiler tag, you know, like this:

SPOILER

that'd be great.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 18, 2015, 01:54:59 AM
This is Thork. (http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/12/07/fetlife-sadist-the-new-star-wars-movie-is-cuckolding-me-with-its-big-black-you-know-what/)
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 18, 2015, 03:52:31 AM
An epic story where Jedis are downtrodden and forgotten, then one newbie rises up to defeat the Evil Empire (This time he's black, folks!) In theaters December 16!




I have now seen starwars.


Warning ... incoming spoiler.

The film was good, but Disney had to go down the interracial relationship route. There isn't a single eligible white guy in the universe. Only a black guy is virtuous and loyal and would stand up to the empire and is worth the leading lady's attention. Fuck Disney. >:(

Because Po Dameron isn't a character.

There's like 1 black dude in the main cast, calm your shit.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on December 18, 2015, 12:33:46 PM
An epic story where Jedis are downtrodden and forgotten, then one newbie rises up to defeat the Evil Empire (This time he's black, folks!) In theaters December 16!




I have now seen starwars.


Warning ... incoming spoiler.

The film was good, but Disney had to go down the interracial relationship route. There isn't a single eligible white guy in the universe. Only a black guy is virtuous and loyal and would stand up to the empire and is worth the leading lady's attention. Fuck Disney. >:(

Because Po Dameron isn't a character.

There's like 1 black dude in the main cast, calm your shit.
He's there because he's black. And they gave him really PC values. Han Solo was edgy, cocky, had a lovable rogue personality about him.

This character is dreadful. Boring even. There isn't anything about him. He is just loyal and trustworthy and a good egg. He's not even a very good actor. It doesn't seem as though the leading lady would find anything remotely interesting in him. She just met him. He didn't do anything to pique her interest. There isn't any mystery to him. He's 2d and wooden. He hasn't any skills ... he can't talk his way out of anything like solo, he can't fly like a god like Po Dameron, he doesn't know the odds of anything like C3PO, he can't use the force like a jedi, he isn't a renowned trader like jabba, he isn't the best bounty hunter like Fett, he's a very ordinary storm trooper ... but for having PC qualities like loyalty and bravery ... things you'd expect any starwars rebellion hero to have anyway.

He's there because he's black. Abrams has written

He's a storm trooper
He switches sides
He's black ... I need one of those to keep the PC bigots off my back.
Oh, I'd better make him super virtuous then.

And that's it. That's the character. His defining characteristic is that he's black and therefore must be good.

If he starts chewing the face off Ridley in the next one, I might lose my lunch. No one needs to see that - its just neo-liberalism trying to dangle tabooism in our faces again.  :-X
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Ghost Spaghetti on December 18, 2015, 02:05:21 PM
So, he's a shit character, how does the fact that he's black change that? Would a white guy reading the same script be somehow better?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 18, 2015, 09:31:10 PM
This character is dreadful. Boring even. There isn't anything about him. He is just loyal and trustworthy and a good egg. He's not even a very good actor. It doesn't seem as though the leading lady would find anything remotely interesting in him. She just met him. He didn't do anything to pique her interest. There isn't any mystery to him. He's 2d and wooden. He hasn't any skills ... he can't talk his way out of anything like solo, he can't fly like a god like Po Dameron, he doesn't know the odds of anything like C3PO, he can't use the force like a jedi, he isn't a renowned trader like jabba, he isn't the best bounty hunter like Fett, he's a very ordinary storm trooper ... but for having PC qualities like loyalty and bravery ... things you'd expect any starwars rebellion hero to have anyway.

So he's Luke Skywalker circa ANH?

So, he's a shit character, how does the fact that he's black change that? Would a white guy reading the same script be somehow better?

Pretty much this. I've not seen the film yet but there has been no end of praise given to Boyega and Ridley's performances. Similarly, most people have expressed excitement at following these characters through 2 more films. I never understood why people gave a shit that a character is black.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on December 20, 2015, 02:22:33 AM
So, he's a shit character, how does the fact that he's black change that? Would a white guy reading the same script be somehow better?
Cos stormtroopers aren't black!

They are all clones of Jango fett. They all have jango's face.

They look like

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8f/JangoSansHelmet-SWE.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111010213136)

They don't look like Boyega. They should never have cast a black stormtrooper, they did it purely to get a token black guy into the movie. >:(

Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 20, 2015, 02:29:21 AM
At least by the time of ANH, most stormtroopers are recruited members. When TFA rolls around, pretty much all of the clones will be dead or way too old to serve anyway.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on December 20, 2015, 02:34:22 AM
And so you're telling me the First Order forces equal opportunity employment upon the Starkiller Base in order to meet the dark side's PC quota of token black employees?
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Saddam Hussein on December 20, 2015, 05:43:37 AM
You're the only one who's defining this guy by his race, Thork.  I highly doubt that the First Order particularly cares about the skin color of its cannon fodder.

On a slight tangent, the whole clone army thing was a really stupid idea in the first place.  Yeah, the "Clone Wars" were name-dropped in ANH, so they had to work clones in there somehow, but a convenient army of disposable, identical soldiers with no lives outside of war wasn't the way the do it.  It's hard to find a more obvious example of redshirts than these guys.  We don't see any grieving families for the thousands of soldiers who die, because the clones have no families.  We don't see veterans attempting to adjust to civilian life, because the clones don't do anything but fight in the war.  We don't see the cost on society as so many people join the military and never come back, because the clones doing all the fighting aren't a part of that society at all.  And there's absolutely no self-awareness about the whole thing.  Not a single character in the prequels ever considers, even for a moment, that there might be a slight ethical concern with hundreds of thousands of sapient beings being mass-produced and shipped off to fight and die in a war whether they like it or not.  The clones are only controversial because of some boring political debate about who gets to control them.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Lord Dave on December 20, 2015, 06:57:12 AM
You're the only one who's defining this guy by his race, Thork.  I highly doubt that the First Order particularly cares about the skin color of its cannon fodder.

On a slight tangent, the whole clone army thing was a really stupid idea in the first place.  Yeah, the "Clone Wars" were name-dropped in ANH, so they had to work clones in there somehow, but a convenient army of disposable, identical soldiers with no lives outside of war wasn't the way the do it.  It's hard to find a more obvious example of redshirts than these guys.  We don't see any grieving families for the thousands of soldiers who die, because the clones have no families.  We don't see veterans attempting to adjust to civilian life, because the clones don't do anything but fight in the war.  We don't see the cost on society as so many people join the military and never come back, because the clones doing all the fighting aren't a part of that society at all.  And there's absolutely no self-awareness about the whole thing.  Not a single character in the prequels ever considers, even for a moment, that there might be a slight ethical concern with hundreds of thousands of sapient beings being mass-produced and shipped off to fight and die in a war whether they like it or not.  The clones are only controversial because of some boring political debate about who gets to control them.


Because they are.  There are no ethical problems.  The clones are disposable, much like droids.


What bothers me is how a clone is better than a machine designes to kill.  Precision targeting, guns built into their arm, super armor, shields, and they still suck.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Vindictus on December 20, 2015, 10:46:18 AM
You're the only one who's defining this guy by his race, Thork.  I highly doubt that the First Order particularly cares about the skin color of its cannon fodder.

On a slight tangent, the whole clone army thing was a really stupid idea in the first place.  Yeah, the "Clone Wars" were name-dropped in ANH, so they had to work clones in there somehow, but a convenient army of disposable, identical soldiers with no lives outside of war wasn't the way the do it.  It's hard to find a more obvious example of redshirts than these guys.  We don't see any grieving families for the thousands of soldiers who die, because the clones have no families.  We don't see veterans attempting to adjust to civilian life, because the clones don't do anything but fight in the war.  We don't see the cost on society as so many people join the military and never come back, because the clones doing all the fighting aren't a part of that society at all.  And there's absolutely no self-awareness about the whole thing.  Not a single character in the prequels ever considers, even for a moment, that there might be a slight ethical concern with hundreds of thousands of sapient beings being mass-produced and shipped off to fight and die in a war whether they like it or not.  The clones are only controversial because of some boring political debate about who gets to control them.


Because they are.  There are no ethical problems.  The clones are disposable, much like droids.


What bothers me is how a clone is better than a machine designes to kill.  Precision targeting, guns built into their arm, super armor, shields, and they still suck.

It always bothered me how they were treated the same as droids despite being living, breathing humans. Even the Jedi treated them like trash.
Title: Re: Star Wars: Episode VII (cast list released!)
Post by: Thork on December 20, 2015, 11:44:12 AM
It always bothered me how they were treated the same as droids despite being living, breathing humans.
It's a fictional story. ???