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Re: Trump
« Reply #11660 on: August 15, 2024, 04:30:16 PM »


Apparently, by Trump's own words, he shouldn't run.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11661 on: August 15, 2024, 07:20:28 PM »
Well shit ... YouTube did not like that video of Trump talking about Hillary.  Wonder why....


Also:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-allies-fear-sabotaging-campaign
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11662 on: September 10, 2024, 07:02:05 PM »
Here, the DOJ Chief of Public Affairs plainly states the "criminal" prosecutions of Trump are a JOKE:

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« Reply #11663 on: September 10, 2024, 11:58:48 PM »
I'll maybe watch the video later but...


Of course it's a joke.  Any other person would have been tried and sentenced by now with minimal media attention but not Trump.  He's making a spectical every time a normal legal process occurs.  Trump did a bad thing and now he's trying to be a clown in the court to keep people from thinking it's serious.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11664 on: September 11, 2024, 03:46:30 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/manhattan-us-attorney-office-spokesperson-video-trump-hush-money/index.html

Here's what happened. Crowder sent an attractive woman to hit on this dude and say to him, "Oh, isn't it awful that they're trying to prosecute poor innocent Trump? You agree with me, right?" Blaise thought with his dick and promptly assured her that of course they're in full agreement on this subject, and of course Trump is entirely innocent. That's all this is. Blaise was not blowing the whistle or revealing secret information; he was trying to get laid.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11665 on: September 11, 2024, 05:52:35 AM »
I'll maybe watch the video later but...


Of course it's a joke.  Any other person would have been tried and sentenced by now with minimal media attention but not Trump.  He's making a spectical every time a normal legal process occurs.  Trump did a bad thing and now he's trying to be a clown in the court to keep people from thinking it's serious.
Funny. I believe you stated once, here on this forum, these cases would have never been brought if Trump was not running for President.

You have no legitimate opinion to offer.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11666 on: September 11, 2024, 05:54:26 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/06/politics/manhattan-us-attorney-office-spokesperson-video-trump-hush-money/index.html

Here's what happened. Crowder sent an attractive woman to hit on this dude and say to him, "Oh, isn't it awful that they're trying to prosecute poor innocent Trump? You agree with me, right?" Blaise thought with his dick and promptly assured her that of course they're in full agreement on this subject, and of course Trump is entirely innocent. That's all this is. Blaise was not blowing the whistle or revealing secret information; he was trying to get laid.
You, too, stated the cases would not have been prosecuted if Trump wasn't running for President.

You are dismissed.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11667 on: September 11, 2024, 01:28:33 PM »
No, I didn't. What a weird thing to say. ???
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Re: Trump
« Reply #11668 on: September 11, 2024, 03:00:43 PM »
I'll maybe watch the video later but...


Of course it's a joke.  Any other person would have been tried and sentenced by now with minimal media attention but not Trump.  He's making a spectical every time a normal legal process occurs.  Trump did a bad thing and now he's trying to be a clown in the court to keep people from thinking it's serious.
Funny. I believe you stated once, here on this forum, these cases would have never been brought if Trump was not running for President.

You have no legitimate opinion to offer.
Prove it.
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« Reply #11669 on: September 27, 2024, 07:27:53 PM »
Well, Trump is probably going to win the appeal on that idiotic civil claim verdict made by Engeron the perv.
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« Reply #11670 on: September 28, 2024, 10:23:29 AM »
Maybe.
But it's kept Trump distracted.  And angry.  Which means he rambles and doesn't put together policy.  Which was the plan all along.  You'd know this if you were a Democrat and got the monthly planning letters.
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« Reply #11671 on: September 28, 2024, 11:45:00 AM »
Maybe.
But it's kept Trump distracted.  And angry.  Which means he rambles and doesn't put together policy.  Which was the plan all along.  You'd know this if you were a Democrat and got the monthly planning letters.
Trump is a Democrat. DId he get the letters?
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« Reply #11672 on: September 28, 2024, 07:06:50 PM »
Maybe.
But it's kept Trump distracted.  And angry.  Which means he rambles and doesn't put together policy.  Which was the plan all along.  You'd know this if you were a Democrat and got the monthly planning letters.
Trump is a Democrat. DId he get the letters?
Yeah but he never reads em.
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« Reply #11673 on: October 04, 2024, 02:36:58 PM »
Oh look, a school mandate to give Trump money.

https://x.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1842197843781571027/photo/2
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« Reply #11674 on: October 05, 2024, 11:20:38 PM »
A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive we would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.
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« Reply #11675 on: October 05, 2024, 11:50:47 PM »
A Bible that includes the US Pledge of Allegiance and the US Constitution is pretty much a 1950's-era conservative meme. This is likely why the Bible that Trump endorsed was created in the first place. Neither Trump or the Bible printing company originated the concept of merging US Constitution studies and Bible studies - that is an old 1950's Americana thing.

The claims that this requirement is anti-competitive are weak, even if Trump is the only person currently selling that Bible and gave schools the idea for the concept. None of it is copyrighted, and none of it is original. For it to be anti-competitive would have to play dumb and pretend that this is hard to obtain or create, or that no publishing companies have ever produced special prints for schools, which is false.

If someone who is eligible to make a bid wants to create that meme Bible, they can throw it together and order prints within a day with various online services. Any major publishing house has the resources to bid for the requirements easily. The God Bless the USA Bible that Trump endorsed is also $60. If someone can beat that price in a government bid, they get the contract.

Except thats not how it works.
I've done the whole bidding process.

So first you get a list of approved suppliers from the state.  This is done annually or bi-annually and doesn't change much. 

The suppliers have pre-agreed upon prices for items.  This is a contract and can't be changed.

If no approved suppliers has the item you need on their lists, you are allowed to find one who does.  And lo and behold... They did.

A publisher can't simply go "we'll make you one to order" as that won't be on the list.

It's VERY possible that the mandate was made after the list was published and the publishing company Trump uses added his bible to the contract list.  Which makes it the default winner.  But I'd need to see timelines.
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« Reply #11676 on: October 06, 2024, 04:47:08 AM »
The Oklahoma school system responded and defended their requirements:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4916077-oklahoma-trump-bibles-schools-ryan-walters/

    Oklahoma defends Bibles-in-schools proposal after report that only Trump’s might qualify
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    “We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.

They are saying that they are giving other Bible publishers a chance. I'm betting that other publishers can beat $60 for this unique project to bring Biblical study back into the school system under the context of American and constitutional history.

It is no longer the 1800's where custom stamped templates are created for every page of a book. It is not a labor intensive process to copy paste some freely available content into a word processor for book creation and get it printed. Books can be created on-demand now. It's more of a medium than a product. This situation is basically comparable to a school wanting a website which contains freely available versions of the Constitution and the Bible, with you guys here trying to convince me that only Trump can make such a website.

You would be better off arguing from the separation of church and state angle than this anti-competitive argument.
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« Reply #11677 on: October 06, 2024, 01:34:48 PM »
i'm just glad students in oklahoma will finally have access to a bible. excellent use of $3 million.
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« Reply #11678 on: October 06, 2024, 01:48:26 PM »
The Oklahoma school system responded and defended their requirements:

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4916077-oklahoma-trump-bibles-schools-ryan-walters/

    Oklahoma defends Bibles-in-schools proposal after report that only Trump’s might qualify
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    “We are excited to bring back the Bible in its essential historical and literary context to Oklahoma classrooms. Superintendent Walters has committed the agency to an open and transparent RFP process, consistent with the norms for state procurement, that will be adequate to meet the needs of Oklahoma classrooms. There are hundreds of Bible publishers and we expect a robust competition for this proposal,” the spokesperson said.

They are saying that they are giving other Bible publishers a chance. I'm betting that other publishers can beat $60 for this unique project to bring Biblical study back into the school system under the context of American and constitutional history.

It is no longer the 1800's where custom stamped templates are created for every page of a book. It is not a labor intensive process to copy paste some freely available content into a word processor for book creation and get it printed. Books can be created on-demand now. It's more of a medium than a product. This situation is basically comparable to a school wanting a website which contains freely available versions of the Constitution and the Bible, with you guys here trying to convince me that only Trump can make such a website.

You would be better off arguing from the separation of church and state angle than this anti-competitive argument.

Because they got caught.
Ask yourself: why would the bible, a Christian text written over a thousand years ago, need the US constitution in it?

Answer: they don't.  This is a ploy to give Trump money. 
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« Reply #11679 on: October 06, 2024, 02:06:32 PM »
It makes sense to me why they would need a special Bible with the Constitution in it. They are attempting to bring Biblical study back into the school system. If they use a regular Bible then they can be accused of running afoul of their students' freedom of religion. They would get criticisms and questions like why not use the Quran or Torah?

If they integrate it into American and Constitutional history then they can use the Christian Bible. Thus, they have more a defense if they have a special Bible created with other documents integrated into it.

https://oklahomawatch.org/2024/10/03/state-education-department-seeks-bids-for-55000-classroom-bibles/

    “We don’t want extra things in there; historical documents are fine,” Walters said. “If it’s the King James version and the Constitution, the Magna Carta, things like that, that are also in statute that can be used in the classroom, that’s fine. But we don’t want commentary around the Bible because this is to serve as a historical reference document.”

They want a specific version of the Bible used in early America, say that they are fine if documents like the Magna Carta are in it, and refer to the Bible as a 'historical reference document', which gives away what they are doing. While Trump's Bible probably sparked the idea, this appears to be more about skirting religious freedoms that created the separation of church and state in schools by combining religion with normal studies.

I suspect that they are at least 20 times more interested in using this as a mechanism for getting Bible study into schools than giving Trump money.
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