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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1080 on: October 13, 2021, 06:52:11 PM »
Good lord.  Jimmy Dore may be the most loathsome person on Youtube.

Lauren Southern? Sargon of Akkad? And the insidious choice, Bret Weinstein?

Dore has something those others don't.  He's just repulsive on every level.  The sound of his voice, his ghoulish appearance.  I'm fairly certain he has an unpleasant stench about him too.  I imagine it's something oily and metallic.
I notice the only objection you have is the video was made by someone you find loathsome.

You have no objection to the facts in the video.

There are very few facts. Dore asserts for comedic effect that unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed healthcare workers, but no one said they are sending unvaxxed national guard. As was pointed out, thousands of healthcare workers were vaxxed ahead of the deadline and no crisis has unfolded because of this.
It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

It's not.  It's a fact that there are unvaxxed national guard but there is no official policy that they will replace healthcare workers.

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It is also a fact that healthcare professionals are being fired during a health emergency.

Yes.  They should know better.  Hospitals are the most common place for the virus to spread and therefore the most important place to have vaccinated people.

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It is also a fact these healthcare staff were lauded as HEROES for providing care during the entirety of the prior 22 months.

The vast majority continue to be, as they did the intelligent thing and got vaccinated.

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It is also a fact you are part of the hypocrites that now cheer for their subjugation and submission of freedom-loving persons to an outright fascist power grab made by corrupt shitbags worldwide.

lol no
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« Reply #1081 on: October 13, 2021, 07:07:02 PM »

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It is also a fact that healthcare professionals are being fired during a health emergency.

Yes.  They should know better.  Hospitals are the most common place for the virus to spread and therefore the most important place to have vaccinated people.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Considering hospitals, out of all venues, have the most efficient air exchange systems of enclosed areas (other than submarines), we will take your claim here as prima facie evidence of your lack of ability to determine anything factual.

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It is also a fact these healthcare staff were lauded as HEROES for providing care during the entirety of the prior 22 months.

The vast majority continue to be, as they did the intelligent thing and got vaccinated.
Appeal to numbers has nothing to do with it.

Natural immunity is a thing, plus religious objection a thing.

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It is also a fact you are part of the hypocrites that now cheer for their subjugation and submission of freedom-loving persons to an outright fascist power grab made by corrupt shitbags worldwide.

lol no
Yeah, I got you pegged.

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« Reply #1082 on: October 13, 2021, 07:14:28 PM »
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

True. So what about this:

It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

Where's your extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?

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« Reply #1083 on: October 13, 2021, 08:49:36 PM »
Action80, saying someone else needs to back up his claims with evidence.  Ha ha ha... Hahahaha...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sorry. Thanks for the laugh, lackey.
Dr. Frank is a physicist. He says it's impossible. So it's impossible.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1084 on: October 14, 2021, 02:59:48 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1085 on: October 14, 2021, 03:35:25 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

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« Reply #1086 on: October 14, 2021, 05:09:01 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

Here's an interesting one. Rumor has it that the famous Biblical Flat Earther and anti-vaxxer Rob Skiba has passed away. He, as rumored, had covid, developed pneumonia, put on Remdesivir. After a few days he was taken off of Remdesivir, put on a ventilator and placed in a medically-induced coma.  He had been in a coma for the last 40 days. Had a heart attack and died. Again, all rumor.

If all of that is true, the question is whether his is a Covid death or not? More specifically, should it be counted in the Covid death count?

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« Reply #1087 on: October 14, 2021, 06:48:41 AM »
Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases.
And every time you have “shown” that it has been patiently explained to you that this is exactly how it works with other diseases.
It’s common for multiple causes to be recorded. In a regular flu season you don’t get young healthy people dying - or it’s incredibly rare. Do you grumble every year that all these flu deaths are really old, ill people who would have died anyway? If they were ill anyway and flu helped kick them out the door then it’s perfectly legitimate to record flu as one of the causes of death even if it was only a contributing factor. A person often has other diseases which will kill them at some point and then they then catch Covid and die. It’s true to say that were it not for the other diseases Covid wouldn’t have killed them. It’s also true to say that Covid was a factor in them dying sooner than they would otherwise have.
These Covid deaths aren’t all people having motorcycle crashes, it’s mostly people who have other conditions and Covid is a factor in them dying sooner than those other conditions would have killed them. Just like in a regular flu season. The difference is that flu has a significantly lower CFR in all age groups than Covid, which is why the data on excess deaths over the last 18 months is so clear.

But you can keep pretending not to understand any of this if you must.
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1088 on: October 14, 2021, 06:51:25 AM »
Quote from: stack
Here's an interesting one. Rumor has it that the famous Biblical Flat Earther and anti-vaxxer Rob Skiba has passed away. He, as rumored, had covid, developed pneumonia, put on Remdesivir. After a few days he was taken off of Remdesivir, put on a ventilator and placed in a medically-induced coma.  He had been in a coma for the last 40 days. Had a heart attack and died. Again, all rumor.

If all of that is true, the question is whether his is a Covid death or not? More specifically, should it be counted in the Covid death count?

We would need to know all of his chronic or underlying conditions. People who are dying of underlying chronic conditions tend to get things like pneumonia at the end stage of their life.

Ie. - "Pneumonia is a leading cause of death among cancer patients"

But this has been typically classified as a secondary infection rather than the primary cause of death, and not reported with prominence on national mortality statistics. Obviously if someone was dying of cancer they would be prominently listed as a cancer death rather then pneumonia infection. It is only with the changed guidance for Covid-19 that all diagnosis of Covid within 30 or 60 days, even asymptomatic Covid-19, was to be elevated to a primary cause of death and listed prominently in mortality statistics even when the patient was clearly dying of cancer.

In all likelihood Rob Skiba probably had comorbities since in the "Covid deaths" there are an average of four comorbidities, with only about 5% or 6% of deaths which indicated Covid as the only cause according to the CDC:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

"For over 5% of these deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned on the death certificate. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 4.0 additional conditions or causes per death."

And every time you have “shown” that it has been patiently explained to you that this is exactly how it works with other diseases.

Incorrect. The methods were changed with COVID-19 guidance.

https://americanmind.org/salvo/a-covid-death-the-bureaucracy-decides/



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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1089 on: October 14, 2021, 07:53:17 AM »
Congratulations on scouring the internet for a source which backs up what you want to believe and ignoring the actual crux of the argument.
"On a very clear and chilly day it is possible to see Lighthouse Beach from Lovers Point and vice versa...Upon looking into the telescope I can see children running in and out of the water, splashing and playing. I can see people sun bathing at the shore
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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1090 on: October 14, 2021, 09:29:39 AM »
I think we can all agree covid is going to get everyone eventually. So we all wait with baited breath of Toms upcoming comeuppance. He's probably too much of a prideful SOB to eat the humble pie and come here and say 'I got covid, pray for me please'. Just wait until he no longer posts. Then you can be pretty sure what's happened. And it will happen.

1 in 500 Americans already dead. Not just infected. Dead. God knows how many yanks have 'long covid' or will have long term consequences. A lot more than 1 in 500 that's for sure. And it hasn't even got you all yet.

Every new year all the anti vaxxer morons are taking a roll of the dice. Given almost all the dead or severely injured are now constrained to just the repugnitard muppets like Tom, I think them holding form to their antivaxxer BS stance is a good thing. Nothing but a net negative to society.

Imagine if you could make a virus that only targeted the right wing people...... Brilliant.

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« Reply #1091 on: October 14, 2021, 09:47:40 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Th*rk is the worst person on this website.

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« Reply #1092 on: October 14, 2021, 11:07:09 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Are you claiming we should be attempting to prevent death?

Is that your goal?

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« Reply #1093 on: October 14, 2021, 11:08:59 AM »
Preventing premature death sounds like a nice goal

Or maybe having peaceful deaths. Death by covid seems like a real prick

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« Reply #1094 on: October 14, 2021, 11:15:10 AM »
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

True. So what about this:

It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

Where's your extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?
I have posted that evidence.

There is ZERO evidence any virus is more easily spread in a hospital.

You are just another conspiracy theorist cosigning for a conspiracy theorist.

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« Reply #1095 on: October 14, 2021, 11:32:55 AM »
I just wanna see what the rich NWO people will do once they realize they killed everyone who will serve them.  Especially since they will have no money or fresh supplies.
If you are going to DebOOonK an expert then you have to at least provide a source with credentials of equal or greater relevance. Even then, it merely shows that some experts disagree with each other.

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Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You
« Reply #1096 on: October 14, 2021, 11:35:42 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Are you claiming we should be attempting to prevent death?

Is that your goal?

I don’t want anyone to die a premature, preventable death. Why do you ask?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

True. So what about this:

It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

Where's your extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?
I have posted that evidence.

There is ZERO evidence any virus is more easily spread in a hospital.

You are just another conspiracy theorist cosigning for a conspiracy theorist.

“More easily spread” isn’t necessarily the best way to frame it, but hospitals definitely concentrate a lot of vulnerable people together. This paper states hospitals acquired infections are a serious risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827479/
Th*rk is the worst person on this website.

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« Reply #1097 on: October 14, 2021, 11:40:03 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Are you claiming we should be attempting to prevent death?

Is that your goal?

I don’t want anyone to die a premature, preventable death. Why do you ask?
Why? How the hell do you know it was premature? How do you know it was preventable?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

True. So what about this:

It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

Where's your extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?
I have posted that evidence.

There is ZERO evidence any virus is more easily spread in a hospital.

You are just another conspiracy theorist cosigning for a conspiracy theorist.

“More easily spread” isn’t necessarily the best way to frame it, but hospitals definitely concentrate a lot of vulnerable people together. This paper states hospitals acquired infections are a serious risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827479/
That paper is bullshit science, with no control group.

Much like that mask bullshit you believe in.

You keep posting bs, and then either don't retract it or just laugh it off.
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« Reply #1098 on: October 14, 2021, 11:53:57 AM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Are you claiming we should be attempting to prevent death?

Is that your goal?

I don’t want anyone to die a premature, preventable death. Why do you ask?
Why? How the hell do you know it was premature? How do you know it was preventable?

You clearly understand where I’m coming from, it’s why you blame others for your family’s deaths instead of shrugging your shoulders.

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

True. So what about this:

It is a fact unvaxxed national guard will replace unvaxxed health care workers.

Where's your extraordinary evidence for your extraordinary claim?
I have posted that evidence.

There is ZERO evidence any virus is more easily spread in a hospital.

You are just another conspiracy theorist cosigning for a conspiracy theorist.

“More easily spread” isn’t necessarily the best way to frame it, but hospitals definitely concentrate a lot of vulnerable people together. This paper states hospitals acquired infections are a serious risk: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827479/
That paper is bullshit science, with no control group.

Much like that mask bullshit you believe in.

You keep posting bs, and then either don't retract it or just laugh it off.

Better evidence than a Jimmy Dore YouTube clip, to be sure.
Th*rk is the worst person on this website.

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« Reply #1099 on: October 14, 2021, 12:42:20 PM »
COVID may not kill many young people but it killed more American’s than anything else last month:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80516253&__twitter_impression=true&s=09

Yet you have been shown numerous times that they are counting people who died "with" Covid and not of Covid, unlike previous diseases. Your argument is completely illegitimate.

People dying with COVID outnumber those dying with heart disease, with cancer and with gunshot wounds. Better?
Are you claiming we should be attempting to prevent death?

Is that your goal?

I don’t want anyone to die a premature, preventable death. Why do you ask?
Why? How the hell do you know it was premature? How do you know it was preventable?

You clearly understand where I’m coming from, it’s why you blame others for your family’s deaths instead of shrugging your shoulders.
No doubt, I blame you and those who think like you, for the death of my brother-in-law and my sister.

Your support of this hoax plandemic and the government overreach in the handling of it, is despicable.

That is why I am labeling your claim that you somehow care for "early or avoidable death," as the bullshit that it clearly is.

You do not give two fuqs about humans dying at all.

Better evidence than a Jimmy Dore YouTube clip, to be sure. I admit my paper has no scientific justification for publication and is typical of the fuqued up cisgender societal thinking dominating today's milqtoast society.
FTFY
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