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It's almost like we should not reward idiots like this guy with free government money. It's amazing that the Dems would be so eager to give free money to a small portion of the population, thereby ensuring the rest are either neutral on the subject or enraged.

2017 Tax cuts (expiring 2025):

According to an analysis released by the Tax Policy Center (TPC) on Dec. 18, 2017, the law was expected to raise the after-tax income of 80.4% of households in 2018, but that cut was not distributed evenly or progressively. The analysis revealed that the tax break would hit 93.7% of taxpayers in the highest-earning quintile, and only 53.9% of those in the lowest quintile.
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 Even so, on average, every quintile was expected to receive a tax break.

That is no longer expected to be true once individual tax cuts expire after 2025. At that point, the TPC estimates that the majority of taxpayers—53.4%—will face a tax increase: 69.7% of those in the middle quintile (40th to 60th percentile) will pay more, compared to just 8% of the highest-earning 0.1%.
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If I'm reading that right, as far as the eagerness to give free money to a small portion of the population goes, it seems kinda weird that almost all in the smallest population reap the benefits whereas only half in the largest population will do the same. 

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If anyone is really interested, there's a ton of data in here that I think helped inform the latest proposal:

Trends in College Pricing and Student Aid 2021

It's all very complicated because there are so many factors. Debt to Income ratio is a biggy. Cost of living is another. And many more.

As for what is "wealthy", again, very complicated. Wealthy to me means I wouldn't need student loans at all. Or perhaps becoming wealthy, pay them off right quick so as not to incur interest. Is there a problem with "wealthy" people not paying their student loan debts?

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Quote from: stack
How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished?

Yes, because all women in history have refrained from impropriety due to criminal punishment and not because they were raised with certain standards.  ::)

Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)

What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?

If you want to talk about something off topic to Monkeypox I would recommend taking it to the appropriate thread.

Just trying to understand your overall mindset. But it looks like you've made it clear that you would prefer that homosexuals for being homosexual and women who wear hi-heels and nail polish should be stoned. As you can't seem to find fault in sharia law.

Quote from: stack
Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:

Yet they also published an article calling HIV a gay disease. They clearly don't think that concept is absolutely homophobic if they are publishing that.

Or they are clearly publishing two opposing points of view which more publications should actually do.

Quote from: stack
And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.

Incorrect. It is clearly not agnostic because 98% are homosexual. If it affected everyone equally it would be distributed differently among homosexual and heterosexual alike.

So you're saying that breeders are immune to Monkey Pox?

So you're saying that Tuberculosis should be called the 'Asian Disease' because it doesn't affect everyone equally and affects Asians disproportionally?



Since cancer seems to affect certain demographics unequally, definitely disproportionally, what should we label cancer as? The 'Native American Disease'? Or maybe by just sheer case count, The 'White Disease'.

Quote from: stack
98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay.

2% is also a pretty common error rate. Those people may have had sexual interactions with people who were bisexual, despite considering themselves as straight, or they were just one of the rare people with low immunity or finctional differences who received transmission elsewise. It is clear that homosexual activity the primary vector of this disease and the primary way it is spread.

2003 Outbreak from Imported Mammals

In 2003, forty-seven confirmed and probable cases of monkeypox were reported from six states—Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Missouri, Ohio, and Wisconsin. All people infected with monkeypox in this outbreak became ill after having contact with pet prairie dogs. The pets were infected after being housed near imported small mammals from Ghana. This was the first time that human monkeypox was reported outside of Africa.

100% of infections came from animals. That seems to overwhelmingly fit your criteria for labeling. Maybe we should actually label Money Pox the 'Prairie Dog Disease'.

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Quote from: stack
So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?

Did I say that specifically? No. I also said that I saw a benefit to the lack of whorish behavior by women in Taliban culture but also saw a problem with the abuse of women.

Define "whorish" behavior. Wearing hi-heels and nail polish? (Btw, punishment for those "violations" is anywhere from a public beating to stoning...Apparently, you seem ok with that)

It is pretty absurd to read that and assume that I would approve of all kinds of abuse because I saw positives elsewhere of a society which doesn't openly promote or display sexualiztion to the public. That also has nothing to do with Monkeypox.

What sort of public display of sexualization are you referring to?

And the big thing you're missing is the enforcement and punishment factors of just being gay, not even "displaying" it, just being accused of it. Same for women who violate sharia law. 

When you say "The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.

- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
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How do you think that's enforced? How do you think that is punished? Are you ok with the sharia laws, but not ok with the enforcement/punishment? Or are you ok with that too and don't see "many faults" with it?

If HIV Magazine considers HIV a gay disease because places in America have 65 or 75% of HIV cases involving homosexuals, Monkeypox is certainly a gay disease at 98%.

Not so fast, the same magazine you cited has an opposing article:

Patient Zero Theory is Debunked—Yet Myth of HIV as Gay Disease Persists
The Patient Zero storyline also fostered the belief that HIV was a gay disease, when we now know that anyone can be impacted by HIV, regardless of your sexual orientation.”

I would consider it not to be a gay disease if it affected that community more along line with their distribution by percentage among the public and wasn't wildly disproportional.

And here's the point you're missing, which the quote above from your HIV magazine points out: Anyone can get MP, not just gay people. Monkey Pox is agnostic to race, creed, and sexual orientation.

For it to be a "Gay Disease", that would literally mean only gay people can get it. Not true. Anyone can get it. Just like gay, straight, or whatever can contract HIV.

98% is certainly a high percentage. But 2% are not gay. Meaning that gays are not the only group to be exclusively impacted. Same reason TB is not called a 'Black Disease' even though it is disproportionally present in that community. Even worse, Asian Americans clock in at just 5.7% of the population yet account for a whopping 35.8% of TB cases. Now that is definitely wildly disproportionate. So why don't you refer to TB as an 'Asian Disease' even though non-Asians can get it too? Just like Monkey Pox.

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I guess it depends on how much debt a $124k paid individual has.

According to Forbes:

- $28,950 owed per borrower on average



Seems like people have this debt deep into their lifespan:



I'm also not sure if all higher education attendees are considered "the most well off". I think part of the reason that one assumes a student loan debt is because they are not "the most well off".

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Quote from:  ohplease
How can allowing all the points that have been well documented be described as "strong morals"?  That's rather like saying that besides the fact that the patient died, the operation was a success.

I agreed that abuse of women was wrong. It is wrong to say that an entire culture has no other possible redeeming qualities because some things are bad, however.

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The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:

Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing

I don't care if they kiss.

The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.

- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies

Yeah, no faults there...

Afghanistan: Taliban Target LGBT Afghans

The Taliban reaffirmed the previous government’s criminalization of same-sex relations, and some of its leaders vowed to take a hard line against the rights of LGBT people. A Taliban spokesperson told Reuters in October, “LGBT... That's against our Sharia [Islamic] law.”

A Taliban judge told the German tabloid Bild shortly before the fall of Kabul, “For homosexuals, there can only be two punishments: either stoning, or he must stand behind a wall that will fall down on him.” A manual issued by the Taliban Ministry of Vice and Virtue in 2020 states that religious leaders shall prohibit same-sex relations and that “strong allegations” of homosexuality shall be referred to the ministry’s district manager for adjudication and punishment.


So you’re for the Taliban’s criminalization of homosexuality? As well as the punishment? No fault with that?

Since you consider Monkeypox to be a 'gay disease, in Afghanistan, if someone contracts MP, that would be evidence that they are gay, right? And you condone the stoning of that individual because being gay is a criminal offense, right?

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Here's some of it:



The off-duty cop was charged with a couple of felonies.

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Quote from: stack
I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.

Actually she shows how and why it is a gay disease. You have so far avoided discussion of the video content.

What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?

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Quote from: stack
I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.

Actually she shows how and why it is a gay disease. You have so far avoided discussion of the video content.

What percent would it take for you to no longer consider it a gay disease?

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So gays shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public? Can breeders hold hands in public? What about kiss or hug?

Brothers hug and there are situations where men do kiss outside of homosexuality. A father might kiss his son. Men also kiss in some cultures as a form of handshake. I don't see why those acts alone would be a flagrant assault on the public.

There is quite a difference between that and a concerted effort to influence other people, such as a teacher having young children read books which advocate that crossdressing is fabulous.

The Taliban is not ok with this, but are you ok with this?:

Image Title - Two Gay Men Kissing

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That just says that they don't openly display it.

So gays shouldn't be allowed to hold hands in public? Can breeders hold hands in public? What about kiss or hug?

In China it is legal to be gay, but illegal to promote homosexual ideology in popular entertainment

This is not China.

While these ideals and rights are admirable, none of this has anything to do with Monkeypox or the question of whether Monkeypox is a gay disease. You have abandoned discussion of the video we were talking about.

I really don't give a shit about the video. Some alt-right nationalist nazi saying we must label moneybox as a "gay disease" means nothing and is pointless and certainly divisive for no logical reason. It's just a dog whistle for the likes of you.

I'm responding to exactly what you wrote:

"Wrong. I have never said that gays should be hated or were the enemy or were immoral. It is apparent that you have to argue by lying, as you have little else."

When, in actuality, you wrote...

The Taliban doesn't seem so bad...I don't see many faults with them otherwise.
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies


You sound like a bigoted segregationist - "It's ok to be black, just don't publically display your blackness."

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Wrong. I have never said that gays should be hated or were the enemy or were immoral. It is apparent that you have to argue by lying, as you have little else.

I beg to differ...

The Taliban doesn't seem so bad. Aside from the treatment of women as a culture, I don't see many faults with them otherwise.

- They eschew alcohol, tobacco, porn, and drugs
- They hate liberals and Zionists
- They don't allow their women to act like whores
- They have zero open homosexuals or lesbians, and no trannies
- The Taliban banned the Covid-19 vaccine
- Taliban are enemies with ISIS. Usually when people are enemies they have opposite beliefs.
- The Taliban hates drug hustling - "The Taliban enforced a ban on poppy farming via threats, forced eradication, and public punishment of transgressors. The result was a 99% reduction in the area of opium poppy farming in Taliban-controlled areas, roughly three quarters of the world's supply of heroin at the time."

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If you can't directly rebut her Monkeypox video and need to spam us with some leftist thing you found about unrelated videos then you really have lost.

You linked me to an amateur leftist website. It's not neutral.

You linked me to an amateur alt-right nationalist video. It's not neutral.

Posting an off-topic response shows that you don't have any good arguments to what you saw.

Questioning the validity or accuracy of a source or subject isn't a claim. It's a question.

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If breeders think it's just a gay disease they will feel they are not at risk then they won't avoid becoming a victim. They won't be on top of safety, won't avoid risky activity, and won't be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox and won't avoid becoming one of those people.

Someone is still stuck in the 80's, the "we must stigmatize" era.

I didn't say anything about it needing to be stigmatized. Gay advocacy groups have described HIV as a gay disease. It's a description.

I didn't say you said it needed to be stigmatized, stigmatization is a byproduct of such labeling. You apparently learned nothing from the 80's.  From the UN:

HIV/AIDS and Education: Lessons from the 1980s and the Gay Male Community in the United States
Initially mislabeled "gay-related immune deficiency" (GRID), valuable time was lost in responding to the crisis because most felt safe in the belief that they were not at risk. Since early victims were predominantly gay men, the stigma attached to homosexuality in the medical, governing, law enforcement and ecclesiastical institutions became a barrier to understanding, prevention, and treatment.

Exactly my point above. "Hey, it's a Gay Disease, I'm not gay, so nothing to worry about. Ok, off to the swingers convention I go..."

Monkeypox is likewise clearly a gay disease.

Who is this Lauren Southern character in the video and what expertise does she possess? Oh yeah, I forgot, you sure know how to pick them...

Some academics and journalists have described Southern as a white nationalist for her promotion of the Great Replacement and white genocide conspiracy theories, though she has denied being a white nationalist.[2][10] Southern promoted the Great Replacement conspiracy theory via her YouTube video of the same name, released in July 2017;[11][12][13] the video was reported to have helped to promote the white nationalist viewpoint, having garnered over 600,000 views by March 2019.[11][14] She has been described as an advocate of the white genocide conspiracy theory for her documentary Farmlands (2018), in which she suggested the imminence of a race war in South Africa in response to supposedly racially motivated South African farm attacks.[15][16][17][18]

The Southern Poverty Law has an article on her, an examination of near-neo-nazi tendencies...
Lauren Southern: The alt-right’s Canadian dog whistler

To be expected that your source would fall into the nutty alt-right nationalist bucket.

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If breeders think it's just a gay disease they will feel they are not at risk then they won't avoid becoming a victim. They won't be on top of safety, won't avoid risky activity, and won't be more vigilant about testing for HIV / Syphilis / Monkeypox and won't avoid becoming one of those people.

Someone is still stuck in the 80's, the "we must stigmatize" era.

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Just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks?  Great diversionary tactics.

It shows that you don't have much of an argument. Homosexuals themselves have conceded that HIV/AIDS a "gay disease". Any disease which disproportionately affects and is spread by gays is a gay disease.

Tuberculosis (TB)
In 2015, 87 percent of all TB cases in the United States occurred in racial and ethnic minorities, particularly in Hispanics, Asians, and African Americans.

I guess then, disproportionally, 87% qualifies as labeling TB a 'racial and ethnic minority diesease'?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sunset
« on: August 20, 2022, 02:05:49 AM »
You cannot have an illusion unless there is something appearing.

Can you have an illusion that makes things disappear?

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Flat Earth Theory / Re: Sunset
« on: August 19, 2022, 07:39:06 PM »
We can find all kinds of images that show progressive, consistent, non-circle of confusion, some with glare, some with not shrinkage™...







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Do you know why old religions instituted anti-gay-male rhetoric into their religious texts? Because gay men kept getting sick.

I did not know this. I thought it was just an anti-sodomy thing. What were the sicknesses? Is there a source for this?

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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make?

Why not read what I was replying to? It was suggested that it wasn't a gay disease. That suggestion was incorrect. It is a gay disease.

Define “gay disease”.

Apparently it hasn’t really been a “gay disease”, whatever that means, since 1970...

African monkeypox cases not concentrated among gay men, experts say

JOHANNESBURG, Aug 4 (Reuters) - Monkeypox outbreaks in Africa are not concentrated among gay men, unlike in other parts of the world, experts from the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Africa CDC said on Thursday.

But in Africa, where repeated outbreaks have been documented since the 1970s, the pattern of transmission is different, the experts said.

"Currently 60% of the cases that we have - the 350 - 60% are men, 40% are women," said epidemiologist Dr Otim Patrick Ramadan, who was answering questions on monkeypox at a media briefing organised by the WHO's regional office in Africa, and who was referring to the continent's number of current cases.

"We've been collecting data on monkeypox since 1970 and that particular indicator, men having sex with men, has never come up as a significant issue here in Africa," he said.

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Incorrect. It's primarily a disease among homosexual men.

What exactly is the point you are trying to make? Is it more of a PSA out to gay men that they should probably get the vaccine sooner rather than later if they plan to engage in intercourse?

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