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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 06, 2021, 06:15:50 AM »

You can't control for every aspect that gives advantage or disadvantage, so just the main aspects are controlled for - sex, age, and in some sports weight.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 05, 2021, 03:22:18 PM »

Then that's entirely different, if they haven't gone through male puberty then they won't have the massive advantage so no need to exclude them in my opinion.

Except they might be 7 feet tall ... unless you carefully controlled their hormones with drugs ... in which case its not them ... its your drugs that made them like that.

Its a pretty self-limiting issue as if they've been on puberty blockers for a few years to avoid male puberty then the health impact of blockers will probably limit athletic hopes judging by the health issues that women who were on them for precocious puberty have suffered. Its really not a good option for them.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 05, 2021, 06:10:09 AM »

Then that's entirely different, if they haven't gone through male puberty then they won't have the massive advantage so no need to exclude them in my opinion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 04, 2021, 07:54:51 PM »

If the IAAF says they can compete in middle distance running if they take something like hormonal contraceptives to lower their testosterone to <5 nmol/L then do you think it's fair to extend those same rules to transwomen?

And I would disagree about Michael Phelps's genetic advantage not having a big impact. He's won the most gold medals ever.

Well frankly no, I don't think its fair for any males to compete in female sports, no matter what their testosterone levels are, though its more of a grey area with athletes with DSDs. But certainly anyone who has gone through normal male puberty should not be allowed to compete against women, its blatantly unfair and everyone knows it but just pretends not to because they think inclusion matters more. Inclusion is important, but in sports fairness and safety should come first.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 04, 2021, 06:29:09 PM »

There's no crossover in testosterone - the lower male levels are still 4-5 times higher than female levels so no crossover. Of course testosterone alone isn't a good indicator but testosterone plus other differences the male body has to the female body make a big difference.

The limit they are set at is still more than twice the highest normal female level, so more than fair to athletes with DSDs. "The regulations will be restricted to women with DSD having normal androgen receptor function and not to athletes with any type of hyperandrogenism. Only women with DSD, adrenal or ovarian tumors, or doped athletes can have circulating testosterone in the male range"* Its not mere hyperandrogenism, like PCOS (which is overrepresented in female athletes, like you said) but those with such high levels of testosterone that they either have testes, or a tumour (and tumour is probably quite unlikely as I doubt they'd be in sporting condition with tumours). And the difference isn't 3%, its more than 9% which is a big difference in elite sports.

We don't disqualify Phelps for making less lactic acid because that does not have a big impact - sex is the biggest difference in athletic ability, that's why they separate males and females. We all know that, you can see the difference in children as young as 6 if you go to a school sports day, and once puberty hits that difference becomes unfair.

*Source: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/503/5114458

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 04, 2021, 01:20:59 PM »

"But we have to protect natural born female athletes!" 🙄

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31749541/namibia-female-runners-banned-olympic-400-meters-high-testosterone-levels

If they're been disqualified under the same rules that Caster Semenya falls under then technically they're not female, those rules only apply to people with male DSDs (intersex) that were mistakingly assigned female at birth, the naturally high testosterone levels will be due to internal testes. If doping via steroids isn't allowed, it shouldn't be allowed via testes either. Doping is doping.

Doling via steroids is illegal because you are adding exogenous substances to your body which are explicitly designed to quickly stimulate athletic performance. At what point does your natural genetic advantage become “doping”?

When its male level in a female contest, of course, because that makes it an unfair advantage rather than just an advantage. Intersex athletes are sought out because of the natural doping, but now that's being cracked down on. Its harsh on the athletes themselves, but all competitors have to be taken into account.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Coronavirus Vaccine and You

« on: July 04, 2021, 09:16:24 AM »

I received my invitation to book an appointment for vaccination today. Finally, this will all be over.

Update: I have made an appointment to be vaccinated. I'll have my second jab at the end of July.

Just got my first jab of Pfizer. I can already feel the 5G signals pulsing through my body. Can't wait until the transformation is complete!

The Pfizer jab makes your poo glow in the dark.

That's true, I use my poo as a nightlight now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Trans athletes

« on: July 04, 2021, 09:15:03 AM »

"But we have to protect natural born female athletes!" 🙄

https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/31749541/namibia-female-runners-banned-olympic-400-meters-high-testosterone-levels

If they're been disqualified under the same rules that Caster Semenya falls under then technically they're not female, those rules only apply to people with male DSDs (intersex) that were mistakingly assigned female at birth, the naturally high testosterone levels will be due to internal testes. If doping via steroids isn't allowed, it shouldn't be allowed via testes either. Doping is doping.

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Announcements / Re: New forum staff appointments

« on: June 01, 2015, 09:51:38 AM »

Can I still have a special title though? I like being special.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Web chat for IRC

« on: April 12, 2015, 05:26:20 PM »

Thanks Parsiwin

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Announcements / Re: New designs in the store!

« on: April 01, 2015, 06:52:05 PM »

Can we get kid/baby sizes?

Sure. I added a black "baby bodysuit" and toddler/infant t-shirts to the bottom of the store.

You are my hero. The Glorious Leader can now start converting her daycare friends.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal

« on: January 18, 2015, 11:03:46 AM »

Well hooray then.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: REQUEST FOR COMMENTS: Reunification Proposal

« on: January 18, 2015, 08:55:16 AM »

So when are we going to be reunified?

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Announcements / Re: PLEASE READ: An important appeal from FES admin Parsifal

« on: December 06, 2014, 10:16:35 AM »

You've done a good job here, cheers for it.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification

« on: December 06, 2014, 10:14:24 AM »

I prefer the old logo anyway so I'm happy to stick with that one

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Status Notices / Re: Unplanned outage, 2014-11-20

« on: November 21, 2014, 06:37:22 AM »

I read outage as outrage and that expressed my feelings towards this perfectly.

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Technology & Information / Re: Getting a new smartphone

« on: November 10, 2014, 08:49:43 PM »

I have a new smartphone. My first ever smartphone. I still use my old phone more. I don't like change.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification

« on: October 13, 2014, 07:37:25 PM »

I am suffering immensely, I still have to post on two different sites 

You don't have to, you could just post here :^)

Not possible. I want to talk to Cowgirl and she doesn't post here so hurry up you guys.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification

« on: October 12, 2014, 03:26:22 PM »

To be fair, it doesn't matter when it will happen. This place is running as usual, so it's not like anyone is suffering from the delays.

I am suffering immensely, I still have to post on two different sites 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: On the notion of FES reunification

« on: July 29, 2014, 08:25:50 AM »

It's fine, the other site is used to Daniel changing shit up at whim.

We like it, makes life more interesting.