[Curious Squirrel]

Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE

Cliff notes? Sorry, not watching a 30 min video right now, especially if it boils down to "Antarctica is cold and inhospitable, making going here difficult" because, well duh. Again, with the proper funding, and reasons within the bounds of the treaty, you're free to go there. The fact that the former might be in the hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't change this fact.

Its bookmarked at the right point ... you only have to listen for a minute or two

The link isn't bookmarked anywhere. I listened to the first 5 minutes and he's already made 2 errors, and has yet to present any evidence. Just sum it up, post an actual link to where he give evidence, or post his 'evidence' yourself please.

basically from here on out it explains thoroughly how it is made impossible through the pretence of environment protection.

You basically just linked me to the rest of the video again. He's just making more untrue claims through much of the next few minutes. Guess I'll watch it later, but so far have yet to see anything that either A) I didn't know already or B) Stops this hypothetical expedition from occurring.

From what I saw and my point of view it appears that there are claims to allow expedition, but once you go through all the bureaucracy and red tape it would cost you millions at even taking a chance of being permitted ... which given all the restrictions, its cleverly made impossible.

The dude has clearly done zero research into the matter of what's actually occurred, vs what he wants to present to help support his view. In 2005 and again in 2010 six wheeled vehicles were used to cross Antarctica via the geographic South Pole. http://www.transantarcticexpedition.com/

Todd Carmichael managed to get permission and everything to complete a solo journey from coast to the pole on foot as well. http://www.subzerosolo.com/antarctic/

There's lots more, the ones I picked were fairly easy to verify from other sources. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions

His entire video is one big confirmation bias. Sure, it's gonna cost you. But the 'red tape' doesn't seem particularly difficult to navigate from what I can see. Unless of course you have zero experience in navigating bureaucracy.

[gavisthename]

The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.

You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now

You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government

That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/

All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.

Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/

He was referencing information from official websites and what he laid out made perfect sense that it is literally impossible ... there was nothing untrue about it

[Tom Bishop]

The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.

You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now

You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government

That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/

All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.

Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/

As you said, he DIED when attempting his crossing. Not sure that it is a great example to show us that we should follow in his footsteps.

http://www.daretoreach.ca/british-explorer-henry-worsley-dies-crossing-antarctic/

Also, it appears he was just crossing a peninsula over 913 miles, not a 6,000 mile round trip:

[douglips]

Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE

Very informative video Tom cheers

That's a 30 minute video and you replied 4 minutes after Tom posted. I watched the first 7 minutes of it and it's all just conspiracy theories. Can you please point to a specific part of the video, or some text reference to explain why this is impossible? I don't have time to dig through 30 minutes of ranting about "fake" moon landings.

I've shown that you can contact an independent company to help you plan and execute an antarctic expedition, and I've shown you one person who died doing a solo antarctic expedition of his own design just a few years ago.

You can go wherever you want to in antarctica, you just need the money to be prepared for the very dangerous conditions.

[gavisthename]

Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE

Very informative video Tom cheers

That's a 30 minute video and you replied 4 minutes after Tom posted. I watched the first 7 minutes of it and it's all just conspiracy theories. Can you please point to a specific part of the video, or some text reference to explain why this is impossible? I don't have time to dig through 30 minutes of ranting about "fake" moon landings.

I've shown that you can contact an independent company to help you plan and execute an antarctic expedition, and I've shown you one person who died doing a solo antarctic expedition of his own design just a few years ago.

You can go wherever you want to in antarctica, you just need the money to be prepared for the very dangerous conditions.

[gavisthename]

Again, this link gives a pretty thorough depiction of the practicality of mounting a mission to Antarctica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPbhHpeHTiE

Very informative video Tom cheers

its 15:50 into the video if the url link isn't working properly

That's a 30 minute video and you replied 4 minutes after Tom posted. I watched the first 7 minutes of it and it's all just conspiracy theories. Can you please point to a specific part of the video, or some text reference to explain why this is impossible? I don't have time to dig through 30 minutes of ranting about "fake" moon landings.

I've shown that you can contact an independent company to help you plan and execute an antarctic expedition, and I've shown you one person who died doing a solo antarctic expedition of his own design just a few years ago.

You can go wherever you want to in antarctica, you just need the money to be prepared for the very dangerous conditions.

[Tumeni]

... vacuums don't prove gravity. In the real world environment this doesn't happen

In the real world, atmospheric pressure is higher at sea level than, say, at the summit of Mount Everest. Any mountaineer will tell you that you need breathing apparatus at this altitude.

Why?

Gravity holds most of the air toward its centre, and this leads to higher air pressure the nearer you get to the centre of the Earth; also higher water pressure; and greater pressure within land masses.

[Tumeni]

So because the earth is massive and clings gigantic oceans to it, how come birds can fly freely against this magic force?

They apply an opposing force by beating their wings. Simples.

[Tumeni]

Because they can over come this force, it really isn't that hard to do...

So if a tiny bird can over come this force, how come the oceans don't fling off the surface, if the earth is spinning at a 1000 miles an hour?

The Earth is spinning at one revolution per day. You don't measure rotational speeds in mph

[Max_Almond]

In the real world, atmospheric pressure is higher at sea level than, say, at the summit of Mount Everest. Any mountaineer will tell you that you need breathing apparatus at this altitude.

Why?

Gravity holds most of the air toward its centre, and this leads to higher air pressure the nearer you get to the centre of the Earth; also higher water pressure; and greater pressure within land masses.

And, fascinatingly, objects also weigh less the higher up they are.

Take a 500g weight up a mountain and stick it on a set of scales and it'll probably read about 495g.

Why? Because there's less gravity up there.

[douglips]

Thanks for linking to the middle of the video where he starts to explain things.

15:53: "You can't use motorized vehicles." Not true, you can use motorized vehicles as long as you aren't disturbing wildlife, and there's about zero wildlife in interior Antarctica.

Here's a recent snowmobile expedition - it didn't succeed, but due to weather and equipment failure. They had permission, they just failed. Or are you saying the government controls the weather too?

They were planning on like a 4000km trip.

16:33 "You can't use sled dogs". This is true! The claim is that they might spread viruses to seals. But it doesn't matter, because you can use snowmobiles or other motorized transport, see above.

17:04 "Don't damage plants" - no problem, if you're on snow there are no plants. See above lists of expeditions that have happened.

Are there any other points? If you could summarize them as I have done it's easier to respond to than trudging through a 30 minute video full of conspiracy theories.

[douglips]

He was referencing information from official websites and what he laid out made perfect sense that it is literally impossible ... there was nothing untrue about it

Did you miss the parts where I and others have linked to actual expeditions that have happened?

[gavisthename]

Thanks for linking to the middle of the video where he starts to explain things.

15:53: "You can't use motorized vehicles." Not true, you can use motorized vehicles as long as you aren't disturbing wildlife, and there's about zero wildlife in interior Antarctica.

Here's a recent snowmobile expedition - it didn't succeed, but due to weather and equipment failure. They had permission, they just failed. Or are you saying the government controls the weather too?

They were planning on like a 4000km trip.

16:33 "You can't use sled dogs". This is true! The claim is that they might spread viruses to seals. But it doesn't matter, because you can use snowmobiles or other motorized transport, see above.

17:04 "Don't damage plants" - no problem, if you're on snow there are no plants. See above lists of expeditions that have happened.

Are there any other points? If you could summarize them as I have done it's easier to respond to than trudging through a 30 minute video full of conspiracy theories.

Ok well you've picked out your favourite bits, but there were loads more reasons in that video.

[douglips]

I'm sure there were, but I suspect all of them were equally inane. Do you think you could apply similar critical thinking to these points?
For example, when the guy in the video says you can't use motorized vehicles, I googled "snowmobile antarctica" and came up with that expedition. Just try finding information and applying critical thinking, and I suspect you'll see that all his points are equally silly.

My favorite was all the complaining about the conditions: "How are we supposed to cross a continent and bring all our food with us and stuff? That would be hard!"

As you said, he DIED when attempting his crossing. Not sure that it is a great example to show us that we should follow in his footsteps.

Well then, it only took a year for someone else to cross the entire continent on a similar trip for the first time, this guy didn't die:
https://www.scott-sports.com/in/en/news/wintersports/mike-horn-sets-new-record-for-antarctic-crossing

Seriously, there are SO MANY antarctic expeditions. If you really wanted to go there, and you're not a couch potato, you could do it. It just takes planning because it turns out extreme weather conditions can kill you dead.

These expeditions seem not much harder than climbing Mt. Everest, and lots of people do that. If money is a problem, how about you crowdfund?

[Curious Squirrel]

The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.

You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now

You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government

That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/

All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.

Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/

He was referencing information from official websites and what he laid out made perfect sense that it is literally impossible ... there was nothing untrue about it

His points boiled down to either A) It's very expensive to make an Antarctic expedition. Which, duh much? If you've paid any attention to those who have done it, or thought about it at all this is obvious. Or B) Attempting to show it's impossible to do it. Which the long list of expeditions POST TREATY clearly prove is untrue.

Sorry, but he's cobbled together a case based entirely on the desire to make one for the end result he already wants/anticipates ignoring all evidence to the contrary. See my post earlier that you skipped over for evidence of trips debunking most of his claims (besides the sled dog and costs bits).

[nickrulercreator]

Gav, do you have any evidence to support your side? We've given you sources and evidence which you conveniently rejected for no reason other than you refuse to believe it. But how about you? Do you have any tested, credible, verifiable evidence that hasn't been proven wrong? And not proven wrong by "oh I think this is how it should be" or "oh I don't think it is real because that's what my gut says," no. Proven wrong through experimentation, logic, math, etc.

what specific evidence are you after? What evidence do you want me to produce? What I've been shown in this thread is not evidence that proves anything?

Sorry for the late reply. What evidence do you have that round earth is wrong? that flat earth is correct?

And would you mind showing how the things you've been shown in this thread are not evidence?

[gavisthename]

The fact that there was an Antarctic Treaty signed by 50 countries as soon as Admiral Byrd discovered something in Antarctica, now no-one can do an independent exploration there.

You know you can pay money and go there, right?
https://www.adventureconsultants.com/expeditions/antarctica/south-pole-all-the-way/book-now

You can't perform independent exploration ... you are chauffeured like a child by the government

That's not true. You can do whatever you want, it's just really dangerous.
This guy died living out his dream:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151109-south-pole-antarctic-explorers-shackleton-expedition/

All you have to do is promise to be ecologically responsible and pay for potential rescue.

Start here, you fill out this form and tell them what you want to do, their job is to make sure you don't kill yourself.
https://antarctic-logistics.com/expedition_planning_questionnaire/

He was referencing information from official websites and what he laid out made perfect sense that it is literally impossible ... there was nothing untrue about it

His points boiled down to either A) It's very expensive to make an Antarctic expedition. Which, duh much? If you've paid any attention to those who have done it, or thought about it at all this is obvious. Or B) Attempting to show it's impossible to do it. Which the long list of expeditions POST TREATY clearly prove is untrue.

Sorry, but he's cobbled together a case based entirely on the desire to make one for the end result he already wants/anticipates ignoring all evidence to the contrary. See my post earlier that you skipped over for evidence of trips debunking most of his claims (besides the sled dog and costs bits).

Thanks bud, definitely gonna look into these expeditions and see what went on

[edby]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Antarctic_expeditions

[Max_Almond]

Have you seen the film "Gravity"?

Better than 'Gravity', have you seen the footage from SkyLab, taken in 1973, way before CGI, blue screens, and whatever else you can think of?

[gavisthename]

Been a good discussion FairPlay ... raised loads of interesting questions for me to go off and research.

I done piss all work today though ... gonna pay for that shit tomorrow!