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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2018, 06:05:17 PM »
Yes, the atmosphere does decrease in pressure and temperature until it literally drops out of the air. Yes, that is what is happening in this demonstration. It is already happening wherever those scientists are on Antarctica, and is generally the case in the Arctics as well.

As the atoms move outwards into the thousands of miles of fridged tundra, and temperatures gets colder and colder, they will freeze and drop.
And what force is stopping the gas molecules over the earth from moving to this area, freezing and dropping?
Pressure will try and equalise. You have a heat source over the earth, the sun, you don't have a heat source elsewhere. So the pressure over the earth will be higher than in the " thousands of miles of frigid tundra" around it. What is stopping that high pressure from leaking into the low pressure?

Also, you have no evidence for this thousands of miles of frigid tundra even existing. By definition it's not something which has been explored or observed in any way.

As pressure decreases and atoms slow down due to the temperature, it also causes the atmosphere to collapse and squish. Antarctica, in fact, is already a much higher pressure than the inward latitudes. This acts as a "wall." Look at the Polar Highs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_High

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The polar highs are areas of high atmospheric pressure around the north and south poles; the north polar high being the stronger one because land gains and loses heat more effectively than sea. The cold temperatures in the polar regions cause air to descend to create the high pressure (a process called subsidence), just as the warm temperatures around the equator cause air to rise to create the low pressure intertropical convergence zone. Rising air also occurs along bands of low pressure situated just below the polar highs around the 50th parallels of latitude. These extratropical convergence zones are occupied by the polar fronts where air masses of polar origin meet and clash with those of tropical or subtropical origin.[1] This convergence of rising air completes the vertical cycle around the polar cell in each latitudinal hemisphere. Closely related to this concept is the polar vortex.

Surface temperatures under the polar highs are the coldest on Earth, with no month having an average temperature above freezing. Regions under the polar high also experience very low levels of precipitation, which leads them to be known as "polar deserts".

When the atmosphere gets less dense, it lowers in elevation and is compressed against the earth.

What stops the high pressures of Antarctica escaping onto the lower pressures of the tropics is likely the same mechanism that keeps it from escaping into the outer fringes of the atmoplane.
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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2018, 06:21:02 PM »
Yes, the atmosphere does decrease in pressure and temperature until it literally drops out of the air. Yes, that is what is happening in this demonstration. It is already happening wherever those scientists are on Antarctica, and is generally the case in the Arctics as well.

As the atoms move outwards into the thousands of miles of fridged tundra, and temperatures gets colder and colder, they will freeze and drop.
And what force is stopping the gas molecules over the earth from moving to this area, freezing and dropping?
Pressure will try and equalise. You have a heat source over the earth, the sun, you don't have a heat source elsewhere. So the pressure over the earth will be higher than in the " thousands of miles of frigid tundra" around it. What is stopping that high pressure from leaking into the low pressure?

Also, you have no evidence for this thousands of miles of frigid tundra even existing. By definition it's not something which has been explored or observed in any way.

Antarctica is already a much higher pressure than the inward latitudes. This acts as a "wall." As pressure decreases and atoms slow down due to the temperature, it also causes the atmosphere to collapse and squish. Look at the Polar Highs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_High

Polar highs are a RE phenomenon.  Can you explain how you can get a polar high in the south pole?  Is there a polar vortex rotating around the entire south pole ice wall?  What's the height of the atmoplane at the ice rim?  How can cold air descend at the south pole if it's a dome?
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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2018, 07:36:03 PM »
Polar highs are a RE phenomenon.  Can you explain how you can get a polar high in the south pole?  Is there a polar vortex rotating around the entire south pole ice wall?  What's the height of the atmoplane at the ice rim?  How can cold air descend at the south pole if it's a dome?

How do the poles maintain their high pressures, without leaking into the low pressure areas of the tropics? We were told like 20 times in this thread that pressures always equalize.
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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2018, 07:55:54 PM »
Polar highs are a RE phenomenon.  Can you explain how you can get a polar high in the south pole?  Is there a polar vortex rotating around the entire south pole ice wall?  What's the height of the atmoplane at the ice rim?  How can cold air descend at the south pole if it's a dome?

How do the poles maintain their high pressures, without leaking into the low pressure areas of the tropics? We were told like 20 times in this thread that pressures always equalize.
They do. The air just cycles back around due to the heat essentially.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/atmosphere/global-circulation-patterns

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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2018, 08:08:31 PM »
Polar highs are a RE phenomenon.  Can you explain how you can get a polar high in the south pole?  Is there a polar vortex rotating around the entire south pole ice wall?  What's the height of the atmoplane at the ice rim?  How can cold air descend at the south pole if it's a dome?

How do the poles maintain their high pressures, without leaking into the low pressure areas of the tropics? We were told like 20 times in this thread that pressures always equalize.
They do. The air just cycles back around due to the heat essentially.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/learning/atmosphere/global-circulation-patterns

If they did cycle and depressurize, then there should be no Polar High, right?

Those polar areas are of high pressure all year around. By "cycling" you are asserting that areas of low pressure are traveling into areas of high pressure, which is the opposite action of how we are told pressure equalizes. There clearly must something keeping the environment high pressure at the poles, that can counteract the want of the atmosphere to equalize.
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Re: Atmolayer lip hypothesis and its incorrectness
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2018, 08:32:31 PM »
A video was added to the wiki link in the OP. Look at what happens to the balloons in the video.



The atoms of the atmosphere would behave similarly if the temperature were as low. The movement of gasses does not even exist at that level.

How is air going to move from areas of high to low pressures, and then expelled out into space, if the movement of gasses cease at some point before the edge?

Hello, Thomas. Your statements are partially correct. Atoms that theoretically maintain a temperature of 0 Kelvin would not display motion. Temperature is, after all, simply the average kinetic energy of a (fluidic) system. Unfortunately, the idea of a gas at 0 K around the edges of a flat earth is not possible. There are a couple of reasons for this:

1. The only way to achieve 0 K is having a pure vacuum. Any atom is incapable of staying at 0 K, due to quantum mechanics. Not even outer space is at 0 K.

2. Even if the above reason was ignored, you cannot maintain a gas at 0 K if it is next to a gas that has a non-zero temperature. Collisions between the atoms will transfer kinetic energy and hence raise the temperature of the gas at the edge. Hence, any temperature gradient in the atmosphere will ruin a condition of zero-T gas at the edge, on timescales commensurate with the DeBroglie wavelength, about a microsecond for atoms in the air.

In short, the movement of gases is unavoidable. The only way to make a system 0 K is to remove all the gas!
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