If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« on: December 16, 2017, 09:59:34 PM »
Think about it, first you need a spinning iron core to create the magnetic fields magnetic north and south poles. How does a flat earth have a spinning iron core or even a north and south pole or even create magnetic fields?

Next on a globe if you walk true west, north would always be to your right at 90°. On a flat earth, if you walked true west relative to your starting point, then north would always be tracking to the east. On a flat earth if north always stayed north while walking true west, then you would be walking in a radial circle around the center of the flat earth not a straight line oriented on the radius (latitude) on a globe. So how do you explain magnetism, compasses, and magnetic poles in flat earth theory.

It is simple science, an experiment one does in elementary school or as a boy scout for navigation and survival. No billions and billions of dollars to pay for rockets needed to send to space to prove curvature of the earth or flatness. A flat earth would not have magnetic poles to begin with especially a motionless flat disc. With all the theories and all the "research" all can be disproven with a simple humble compass or a magnetized piece of tiny metal placed in a leaf in a small puddle or body of water. I am interested how this could be explained away as I am generally curious as I have seen lots of theories, conspiracy theories of government cover-ups, but are we now to think that the earth's magnetic field and compasses are also to be included in the conspiracy to cover up the flat earth? If so what powers these magnetic fields since they are no longer magnetic poles but a magnetic north "center" and magnetic southern ring that fools the simple compass if no spinning iron core exists?


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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2017, 11:06:29 PM »
first you need a spinning iron core to create the magnetic fields...

False. Not even going to bother reading the rest.

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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2017, 12:31:17 AM »
OP, you're just a little off on your description. (see below) You are correct though, flat Earth would not generate a north/south magnetic pole. If there was flowing iron under the flat Earth surface, the convection currents would flow from hot to cool. i.e. towards the surface. (unless thermodynamics is also wrong) You'd have a whole mess of magnetic currents without the spin of Earth to align them.

Right at the heart of the Earth is a solid inner core, two thirds of the size of the Moon and composed primarily of iron. At a hellish 5,700°C, this iron is as hot as the Sun’s surface, but the crushing pressure caused by gravity prevents it from becoming liquid.

Surrounding this is the outer core, a 2,000 km thick layer of iron, nickel, and small quantities of other metals. Lower pressure than the inner core means the metal here is fluid.


Differences in temperature, pressure and composition within the outer core cause convection currents in the molten metal as cool, dense matter sinks whilst warm, less dense matter rises. The Coriolis force, resulting from the Earth’s spin, also causes swirling whirlpools.

This flow of liquid iron generates electric currents, which in turn produce magnetic fields. Charged metals passing through these fields go on to create electric currents of their own, and so the cycle continues. This self-sustaining loop is known as the geodynamo.

The spiralling caused by the Coriolis force means that separate magnetic fields created are roughly aligned in the same direction, their combined effect adding up to produce one vast magnetic field engulfing the planet.
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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2017, 08:46:13 PM »
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False. Not even going to bother reading the rest.

What is false about that statement? So you are not going to explain how Flat Earth theory works with Earth's Magnetic Field?

Why?

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OP, you're just a little off on your description.

Other than parsing semantics, I have read the same physics.org explanation and is accepted the reason why Earth has a magnetic field, is because of a solid iron core surrounded by liquid iron and metals flowing around the solid iron core generating electric currents. So how does a compass work in Flat Earth Theory? What causes Earth's magnetic field?

What is the point of a compass or even using North, South, East and West? As North and South are used to describe traveling latitudinal on a sphere and East and West are longitudinal on a sphere. How would use explain the Southern Hemisphere stars that can not be seen in the Northern Hemisphere. On a Flat Earth everyone would see all the same stars. 

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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2017, 09:12:50 PM »
The question of why you see different stars in the different hemispheres (round earth terminology) is answered on the FAQ page. The question you should ask is why do the stars rotate in the opposite direction on different hemispheres!! This can only be possible with a globe!

Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2017, 09:48:30 PM »
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The question you should ask is why do the stars rotate in the opposite direction on different hemispheres!! This can only be possible with a globe!

I am still waiting on explanation on how a compass works with the Flat Earth Model. And what causes the magnetic field in the first place in the Flat Earth models. While photographic evidence can be doctored, but how is a compass or even a magnetized piece of metal placed in a leaf floating on a body of water also manipulated, and what is manipulating simple tools as everything on Flat Earth theory is observational based evidence then why discount the observational evidence of a compass, you would be walking in circles and not in straight lines.


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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2017, 05:47:07 AM »
first you need a spinning iron core to create the magnetic fields...

False. Not even going to bother reading the rest.

Oh c'mon, Junker, give him a chance. You might actually LEARN something. He's not wrong about how magnetic fields are generated (or could be I guess). And he's not wrong about the problems you'd encounter with magnetic fields if Earth was flat. I don't see the issue here.
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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2017, 10:14:52 AM »
Regarding the Earths Iron core, I am not somebody who believes the Earth is flat, but somebody who has always questioned science, and the science used to determine that the Earth has an iron core is quite shaky, we discovered that electromagnetism and extrapolated that to fit our Earth. I'm afraid that's like using finding a torch and then assuming the sun needs batteries.

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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2017, 06:19:43 PM »
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False. Not even going to bother reading the rest.

What is false about that statement? So you are not going to explain how Flat Earth theory works with Earth's Magnetic Field?

Why?

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OP, you're just a little off on your description.

Other than parsing semantics, I have read the same physics.org explanation and is accepted the reason why Earth has a magnetic field, is because of a solid iron core surrounded by liquid iron and metals flowing around the solid iron core generating electric currents. So how does a compass work in Flat Earth Theory? What causes Earth's magnetic field?

What is the point of a compass or even using North, South, East and West? As North and South are used to describe traveling latitudinal on a sphere and East and West are longitudinal on a sphere. How would use explain the Southern Hemisphere stars that can not be seen in the Northern Hemisphere. On a Flat Earth everyone would see all the same stars.

Around here, if you don't think the Earth is flat, your every word will be used to dismiss your greater point.(see junker's response) I knew exactly what you were saying and knew junker was being pedantic. Your point is dead on accurate.
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Re: If there Earth is flat, how does a compass work?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2017, 08:40:22 PM »
I must say I had to google the cause of earth's magnetic field (I'm no science nerd-but I'm getting better) and I was confused by Junkers response. Seems you have paraphrased all that RE necessitates to explain magnetism. Would be pleasant if a further explanation of his issue was given but that's his prerogative.

I did read somewhere that some FE believe the tectonics, magma and moving core can exist on a FE so magnetism is still explained the sane way