Many people have used a technique of fooling people rather than convincing them that they have been fooled. Rather than for us to continue making assumptions leading to accusations about things we cannot prove definitively, I personally try to let God sort it out. However, I believe the biggest problem with liars, and people in our FE circles is rejection of the Word of God (YHWY), and denial of the Messiah (Yeshua) who is the Word. Followed by shills, and controlled opposition. They're in almost every circle, and in my opinion, especially in organizations. But, I do feel there are at least a few 'good' men here and there, but as 'Jesus Christ'(Yeshua) said, no one is good only the LORD (YHWH).