Complete Circumnavigation
« on: August 05, 2017, 01:22:03 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2017, 05:36:55 AM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2017, 03:48:30 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

The better question would be "How does one circumnavigate the world on a north south line and end up back where they started?".
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2017, 03:56:22 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2017, 09:59:17 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2017, 10:17:45 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2017, 11:32:37 PM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

No.
You have it backwards.
It is following a straight line course from port to port, using civilian and/or military oceanic navigation as an example.
No matter if it is east to west, north to south or any direction in between, such as north-east to south-west .
Just take a string and stretch it from San Diego to Honolulu on a globe as an example.
It is a straight line.
I suggest if you don't take this as the fact, ask some shipping company official or someone in the Navy if they go on a straight line course or go aound in a circle to and/or from San Diego to Honolulu.

There is a scene in the 1958 movie "A Night To Remember" where Second Officer Lightoller looks at the compass and tells the Quartermaster to "Stay on course QM ." He doesn't say "Keep on turning in a circle, QM." He is referring to the straight line course set for RMS  Titanic at that time in the crossing . (266 Degrees True) It is that way in reality.

Do you even have a flat earth map to prove how it would be IF the earth was flat ?
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 01:23:34 AM by geckothegeek »
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 05:12:45 AM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

No.
You have it backwards.
It is following a straight line course from port to port, using civilian and/or military oceanic navigation as an example.
No matter if it is east to west, north to south or any direction in between, such as north-east to south-west .
Just take a string and stretch it from San Diego to Honolulu on a globe as an example.
It is a straight line.
I suggest if you don't take this as the fact, ask some shipping company official or someone in the Navy if they go on a straight line course or go aound in a circle to and/or from San Diego to Honolulu.

There is a scene in the 1958 movie "A Night To Remember" where Second Officer Lightoller looks at the compass and tells the Quartermaster to "Stay on course QM ." He doesn't say "Keep on turning in a circle, QM." He is referring to the straight line course set for RMS  Titanic at that time in the crossing . (266 Degrees True) It is that way in reality.

Do you even have a flat earth map to prove how it would be IF the earth was flat ?

Not to defend FE but if the Earth were flat and in a rough North Azimuthal layout, I doubt rudders are sensitive enough to detect the minor deflection away from centerline except in close proximity to the poles.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 05:16:17 AM by ErnestV1 »
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2017, 03:15:22 AM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

No.
You have it backwards.
It is following a straight line course from port to port, using civilian and/or military oceanic navigation as an example.
No matter if it is east to west, north to south or any direction in between, such as north-east to south-west .
Just take a string and stretch it from San Diego to Honolulu on a globe as an example.
It is a straight line.
I suggest if you don't take this as the fact, ask some shipping company official or someone in the Navy if they go on a straight line course or go aound in a circle to and/or from San Diego to Honolulu.

There is a scene in the 1958 movie "A Night To Remember" where Second Officer Lightoller looks at the compass and tells the Quartermaster to "Stay on course QM ." He doesn't say "Keep on turning in a circle, QM." He is referring to the straight line course set for RMS  Titanic at that time in the crossing . (266 Degrees True) It is that way in reality.

Do you even have a flat earth map to prove how it would be IF the earth was flat ?

No, I wasn't wrong about this. There are an infinite number of ways to circle a globe without turning in all variations of directions like northeast or southwest, but only one that goes due east-west. It's the reason planes follow great circle routes. If you look at a plane route that runs east-west on a regular Mercator projection that shows east and west as straight lines it appears curved, but that is because (assuming the Earth is round) the shortest distance between two points on a globe (a straight line) is always a great circle, which only runs straight east-west at the Equator.

This is basic math. Nothing else in your post changes this, or even actually contradicts it, as far as I can see, although you do seem to assume a string wouldn't curve if you tried to stretch it taut anywhere that runs east-west on a globe other than the Equator, which is wrong.

Try to learn something rather than insisting on your own superiority for a change. You can look this stuff up for yourself.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2017, 03:33:07 AM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

No.
You have it backwards.
It is following a straight line course from port to port, using civilian and/or military oceanic navigation as an example.
No matter if it is east to west, north to south or any direction in between, such as north-east to south-west .
Just take a string and stretch it from San Diego to Honolulu on a globe as an example.
It is a straight line.
I suggest if you don't take this as the fact, ask some shipping company official or someone in the Navy if they go on a straight line course or go aound in a circle to and/or from San Diego to Honolulu.

There is a scene in the 1958 movie "A Night To Remember" where Second Officer Lightoller looks at the compass and tells the Quartermaster to "Stay on course QM ." He doesn't say "Keep on turning in a circle, QM." He is referring to the straight line course set for RMS  Titanic at that time in the crossing . (266 Degrees True) It is that way in reality.

Do you even have a flat earth map to prove how it would be IF the earth was flat ?

No, I wasn't wrong about this. There are an infinite number of ways to circle a globe without turning in all variations of directions like northeast or southwest, but only one that goes due east-west. It's the reason planes follow great circle routes. If you look at a plane route that runs east-west on a regular Mercator projection that shows east and west as straight lines it appears curved, but that is because (assuming the Earth is round) the shortest distance between two points on a globe (a straight line) is always a great circle, which only runs straight east-west at the Equator.

This is basic math. Nothing else in your post changes this, or even actually contradicts it, as far as I can see, although you do seem to assume a string wouldn't curve if you tried to stretch it taut anywhere that runs east-west on a globe other than the Equator, which is wrong.

Try to learn something rather than insisting on your own superiority for a change. You can look this stuff up for yourself.


Well, anyway the simple fact remains that the earth is a globe.
Have you flat earthers ever sat down and discussed flat earth with anyone in the real world ?
In particular about the flat earth map of the world ?
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 04:10:13 AM by geckothegeek »
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2017, 04:19:18 AM »
Hey flat-earthers,

If you believe that the earth is flat, how come when you travel around the world, you get back to your take-off point instead of falling off the edge?

Do you understand how circumnavigation works?


Don't be surprised by the lack of response to this question.  They have to venture way outside of their BS comfort zones in order to be able to provide any kind of response, and the time it takes to carefully word this kind of bullshit just isn't worth it for them.
Do you understand how circumnavigation works?

You go around in circles on a flat earth. You go around the globe on straight lines.You set your course on the globe and stay on it. You would be continually turning on a flat earth.

No, traveling east or west on a globe you are still constantly turning. Except right on the Equator.

Why don't you ask someone else in the Navy - active duty, reserve, retired, or just some one else who has ever served in the navy - if they are constantly turning or maintaining a straight course -  for example from San Diego to Honolulu ? .....If you don't believe me ?
Stick close to your P.C's and never go to sea
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2017, 05:05:58 AM »
I just read through this, and someone wrote the (magnetic) heading changes on a great circle route are so small, they are actually not detectable. That is not true, expecially not when you are flying over great distances (which I do professionally). As a matter of fact they are quite big and very detectable and also a challenge, if you have to calculate your great circle distance on a chart rather than letting the Flight Management Computer do it. Whereas the Flat Earth Map would give you heading changes as well on most great circle routes, they are different to the ones we get flying in real life, which, in turn, are consistent with the mathematical modell of a rotational elipsoid ("the globe").  There is one great circle route on the Flat Earth Map however, that is completely different to the real world navigation, and that is the Equator. In real life, if you fly along the equator, there is no heading and no course change. That is not the case on the Flat Earth Map, where you have significant course changes even over a short distance. (That means you have to turn constantly to maintain the heading.) I brough this up in the thread "Navigation", but no flat earth person replied to it yet.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2017, 03:50:11 PM »
I just read through this, and someone wrote the (magnetic) heading changes on a great circle route are so small, they are actually not detectable. That is not true, expecially not when you are flying over great distances (which I do professionally). As a matter of fact they are quite big and very detectable and also a challenge, if you have to calculate your great circle distance on a chart rather than letting the Flight Management Computer do it. Whereas the Flat Earth Map would give you heading changes as well on most great circle routes, they are different to the ones we get flying in real life, which, in turn, are consistent with the mathematical modell of a rotational elipsoid ("the globe").  There is one great circle route on the Flat Earth Map however, that is completely different to the real world navigation, and that is the Equator. In real life, if you fly along the equator, there is no heading change. That is not the case on the Flat Earth Map, where you have significant heading changes even over a short distance. I brough this up in the thread "Navigation", but no flat earth person replied to it yet.

In the flat earth map on the Wiki (and probably on all other FE maps too) - the concept is that compasses still point toward the North pole (the center of the map) - so if you define "heading" as "angle from where the compass needle points" - then you can travel the equator in FET and RET alike just by flying at 90 degrees to the compass needle.

In fact, on that map, compasses work entirely identically to the round earth...weird shit happens at the Ice Wall because in RET, all southward motion takes you to the south pole - but in FET - it sends you off in some radial direction depending on where you started.

Sadly (for FET folk) we rarely use magnetic compasses for navigation - and even when we did, we used celestial navigation to back that up - an celestial navigation completely falls apart in the southern regions of the Flat Earth.
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Re: Complete Circumnavigation
« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2017, 09:56:00 PM »
I just read through this, and someone wrote the (magnetic) heading changes on a great circle route are so small, they are actually not detectable. That is not true, expecially not when you are flying over great distances (which I do professionally). As a matter of fact they are quite big and very detectable and also a challenge, if you have to calculate your great circle distance on a chart rather than letting the Flight Management Computer do it. Whereas the Flat Earth Map would give you heading changes as well on most great circle routes, they are different to the ones we get flying in real life, which, in turn, are consistent with the mathematical modell of a rotational elipsoid ("the globe").  There is one great circle route on the Flat Earth Map however, that is completely different to the real world navigation, and that is the Equator. In real life, if you fly along the equator, there is no heading change. That is not the case on the Flat Earth Map, where you have significant heading changes even over a short distance. I brough this up in the thread "Navigation", but no flat earth person replied to it yet.

In the flat earth map on the Wiki (and probably on all other FE maps too) - the concept is that compasses still point toward the North pole (the center of the map) - so if you define "heading" as "angle from where the compass needle points" - then you can travel the equator in FET and RET alike just by flying at 90 degrees to the compass needle.

In fact, on that map, compasses work entirely identically to the round earth...weird shit happens at the Ice Wall because in RET, all southward motion takes you to the south pole - but in FET - it sends you off in some radial direction depending on where you started.

Sadly (for FET folk) we rarely use magnetic compasses for navigation - and even when we did, we used celestial navigation to back that up - an celestial navigation completely falls apart in the southern regions of the Flat Earth.

Yeah, sorry, I wrote bollocks, I meant course and not heading. I corrected it in the original post.