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Re: Expedition
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2017, 05:24:31 PM »
You seem to live in a world filled with unreliable sources. But if they are actually reporting their route and the distance traveled which is quite easy to do in this day and age of gps, then the distance they traveled would make the ice ring impossible, and also would prove that the continent is smaller than the average diameter of the route they traveled. So actually viewing the coastline they circled would not be necessary to set an upper limit on how big Antarctica could be. Also, any ocean race like this has checkpoints along the route that every yacht must pass in the correct sequence in order to prevent the kind of shortcuts and cheating you suggest might have occurred.

As for a more reputable source, there is the one that involved teams of scientists from all over the world, also with several stops and ports along the way that they visited in sequence, including stops on the actual continent: http://spi-ace-expedition.ch/

It appears that it took 3 months for those people to make that journey. How do we know that they didn't go around the Antarctic Rim?

Re: Expedition
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2017, 06:21:09 PM »
You seem to live in a world filled with unreliable sources. But if they are actually reporting their route and the distance traveled which is quite easy to do in this day and age of gps, then the distance they traveled would make the ice ring impossible, and also would prove that the continent is smaller than the average diameter of the route they traveled. So actually viewing the coastline they circled would not be necessary to set an upper limit on how big Antarctica could be. Also, any ocean race like this has checkpoints along the route that every yacht must pass in the correct sequence in order to prevent the kind of shortcuts and cheating you suggest might have occurred.

As for a more reputable source, there is the one that involved teams of scientists from all over the world, also with several stops and ports along the way that they visited in sequence, including stops on the actual continent: http://spi-ace-expedition.ch/

It appears that it took 3 months for those people to make that journey. How do we know that they didn't go around the Antarctic Rim?

The winner made it in 74 days. The greatest distance covered in any 24 hour period was 537 nautical miles which was a new record for this race. The winner averaged more like 330 nautical miles per day ( 13.75 knots) over the entire race. And all of this includes the travel time and distance from France to the latitudes at which they circumnavigated and back up to France.

So sure if they cheated and turned on their motors (which they did not have as that would slow down a competitive ocean racing yacht) then maybe they could have traveled more like the 70-75,000 nautical miles down to and around the ice rim on the unipolar map in 74 days. However, the yachts in this race could not ever make a pit stop as that was against the rules, so there is no way they could have carried enough fuel to make it that far. A large motor boat could easily burn 2 gallons or more of fuel for every nautical mile at the necessary speeds to cover that much distance....so say a minimum of 150,000 gallons of fuel weighing 900,000 pounds (the yachts in this race weighed more like a total of 15-20,000 pounds). Yeah, that would not really work. These yachts relied on the wind and there is no way they could average such high speeds 24 hours a day for 3 months. Their top speed is around 30-35 knots, so even with extreme wind conditions 24 hours a day for months on end, they still could not cover the distance.

Either the entire race and all of the participants in the eight races that have been run are all part of this big, dumb and pointless conspiracy to fool us all into thinking the world is round, or else they simply sailed around Antarctica. Here is the winner's yacht under sail:



These yachts are amazing feats of engineering and are going so fast already that it is pretty much torture to ride one for weeks on end:
http://www.yachtingworld.com/extraordinary-boats/close-look-hugo-boss-alex-thomsons-vendee-globe-2016-92713
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Re: Expedition
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2017, 08:24:07 PM »
You seem to live in a world filled with unreliable sources. But if they are actually reporting their route and the distance traveled which is quite easy to do in this day and age of gps, then the distance they traveled would make the ice ring impossible, and also would prove that the continent is smaller than the average diameter of the route they traveled. So actually viewing the coastline they circled would not be necessary to set an upper limit on how big Antarctica could be. Also, any ocean race like this has checkpoints along the route that every yacht must pass in the correct sequence in order to prevent the kind of shortcuts and cheating you suggest might have occurred.

As for a more reputable source, there is the one that involved teams of scientists from all over the world, also with several stops and ports along the way that they visited in sequence, including stops on the actual continent: http://spi-ace-expedition.ch/

It appears that it took 3 months for those people to make that journey. How do we know that they didn't go around the Antarctic Rim?

The winner made it in 74 days. The greatest distance covered in any 24 hour period was 537 nautical miles which was a new record for this race. The winner averaged more like 330 nautical miles per day ( 13.75 knots) over the entire race. And all of this includes the travel time and distance from France to the latitudes at which they circumnavigated and back up to France.

So sure if they cheated and turned on their motors (which they did not have as that would slow down a competitive ocean racing yacht) then maybe they could have traveled more like the 70-75,000 nautical miles down to and around the ice rim on the unipolar map in 74 days. However, the yachts in this race could not ever make a pit stop as that was against the rules, so there is no way they could have carried enough fuel to make it that far. A large motor boat could easily burn 2 gallons or more of fuel for every nautical mile at the necessary speeds to cover that much distance....so say a minimum of 150,000 gallons of fuel weighing 900,000 pounds (the yachts in this race weighed more like a total of 15-20,000 pounds). Yeah, that would not really work. These yachts relied on the wind and there is no way they could average such high speeds 24 hours a day for 3 months. Their top speed is around 30-35 knots, so even with extreme wind conditions 24 hours a day for months on end, they still could not cover the distance.

Either the entire race and all of the participants in the eight races that have been run are all part of this big, dumb and pointless conspiracy to fool us all into thinking the world is round, or else they simply sailed around Antarctica. Here is the winner's yacht under sail:



These yachts are amazing feats of engineering and are going so fast already that it is pretty much torture to ride one for weeks on end:
http://www.yachtingworld.com/extraordinary-boats/close-look-hugo-boss-alex-thomsons-vendee-globe-2016-92713

Does it look like I am replying to the yacht race?

Re: Expedition
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2017, 09:55:07 PM »
Does it look like I am replying to the yacht race?

My mistake, as most of the post you replied to was about the race. But similar rough calculations apply to the scientific expedition. To travel even 50,000 miles in three months would mean traveling at an average of 23 mph 24 hours a day for 90 days. That is an incredibly fast pace and would still require huge amounts of fuel for a ship that large.

In fact, the ship they used has a top speed of 18 mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Tryoshnikov , so it could only have covered about 39,000 miles if it was underway at top speed for 90 days continuously. The specs for the ship say it can only cover 17,000 miles before refueling, so even that would have been impossible as they would have had to make at least two stops to refuel. Their planned itinerary shows a distance covered of roughly 14,000 miles: https://documents.epfl.ch/groups/e/ep/epflmedia/www/20161220_ACEexpedition/Travel%20plan%20ACE.pdf

If you look at their itinerary, it is clear that they spent a lot of time in port and also onshore doing their scientific experiments. These videos show how they spent much of the time at anchor or traveling at slower speeds doing their research:






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Re: Expedition
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2017, 04:49:22 PM »
What good would it be to prove that there is a 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast when the Round Earth Theory also postulates that there is a wall of ice at its coast?
It would have to prove that Antarctica is not a continent and the geodesic survey map is a fake.
It would have to prove that the earth is not a globe, and is a flat earth with a continuous ice wall 150 feet tall with a circumference of 78,000 miles encircling the entire earth.
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Re: Expedition
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2017, 04:58:10 PM »
Does it look like I am replying to the yacht race?

My mistake, as most of the post you replied to was about the race. But similar rough calculations apply to the scientific expedition. To travel even 50,000 miles in three months would mean traveling at an average of 23 mph 24 hours a day for 90 days. That is an incredibly fast pace and would still require huge amounts of fuel for a ship that large.

In fact, the ship they used has a top speed of 18 mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Tryoshnikov , so it could only have covered about 39,000 miles if it was underway at top speed for 90 days continuously. The specs for the ship say it can only cover 17,000 miles before refueling, so even that would have been impossible as they would have had to make at least two stops to refuel. Their planned itinerary shows a distance covered of roughly 14,000 miles: https://documents.epfl.ch/groups/e/ep/epflmedia/www/20161220_ACEexpedition/Travel%20plan%20ACE.pdf

If you look at their itinerary, it is clear that they spent a lot of time in port and also onshore doing their scientific experiments. These videos show how they spent much of the time at anchor or traveling at slower speeds doing their research:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TvkL0meGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHk-jAe2Gw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_Euo08O9I

Of the Monopole proponents a theory is becoming increasingly popular that South America, Africa, and Australia are actually closer together than depicted in the common Monopole maps and the Pacific Ocean is larger.

Under such a map it is certainly possible to travel from Africa -> Australia -> Antarctica -> South America -> Africa without having to go around the entire Antarctic rim. The directions of travel would not reflect the map on their site, but if you are just trying to set sail with your instruments to a destination from the middle of nowhere it is easy to not pay too much attention to directions.
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Re: Expedition
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2017, 05:01:11 PM »
What good would it be to prove that there is a 150 foot wall of ice at the Antarctic coast when the Round Earth Theory also postulates that there is a wall of ice at its coast?

It doesn't predict the same thing and that difference would be indisputable proof that the Earth, not a Globe.

Round Earth Theory also says that there is a 150 foot wall at the coast of Antarctica known as Ice Shelves and Ice Walls. The only difference is the length of Antarctica's coast, which appears as a rim continent in the monopole model.

If we were to risk our lives and travel along the harsh and freezing waters of the Antarctic coast and find it to be a continent, what benefit would it really get us? We would just say that the Flat Earth models where Antarctica is a continent is the most correct.

Once there, if we were to find that Antarctica actually was a rim continent, we may very well find ourselves unprepared and ill-supplied for the length of journey, harsh conditions, and the navigational challenges of getting back home, and perish in the process. So, there is no significant benefit of doing this, really.

It might be pointed out that Antarctica shows up as  the so-called "the rim continent" on the crcular so-called "flat earth map" as a result of the distortion that the map is in actuality The Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection....of the Globe. Which seems to be the best that flat earth has come up with so far.
The Bipolar Projection presents even more problems.
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Re: Expedition
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2017, 05:11:18 PM »
It might be pointed out that Antarctica shows up as  the so-called "the rim continent" on the crcular so-called "flat earth map" as a result of the distortion that the map is in actuality The Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection....of the Globe. Which seems to be the best that flat earth has come up with so far.
The Bipolar Projection presents even more problems.

The maps are for illustrative purposes only to stimulate discussion. The continents may take a number of configurations and we are underfunded to explore the matter further. You keep posting here expecting us to take up lots of our time to talk to you and offer nothing in return. What gives?

Re: Expedition
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2017, 05:29:41 PM »
Does it look like I am replying to the yacht race?

My mistake, as most of the post you replied to was about the race. But similar rough calculations apply to the scientific expedition. To travel even 50,000 miles in three months would mean traveling at an average of 23 mph 24 hours a day for 90 days. That is an incredibly fast pace and would still require huge amounts of fuel for a ship that large.

In fact, the ship they used has a top speed of 18 mph: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Tryoshnikov , so it could only have covered about 39,000 miles if it was underway at top speed for 90 days continuously. The specs for the ship say it can only cover 17,000 miles before refueling, so even that would have been impossible as they would have had to make at least two stops to refuel. Their planned itinerary shows a distance covered of roughly 14,000 miles: https://documents.epfl.ch/groups/e/ep/epflmedia/www/20161220_ACEexpedition/Travel%20plan%20ACE.pdf

If you look at their itinerary, it is clear that they spent a lot of time in port and also onshore doing their scientific experiments. These videos show how they spent much of the time at anchor or traveling at slower speeds doing their research:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TvkL0meGU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUHk-jAe2Gw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_Euo08O9I

Of the Monopole proponents a theory is becoming increasingly popular that South America, Africa, and Australia are actually closer together than depicted in the common Monopole maps and the Pacific Ocean is larger.

Under such a map it is certainly possible to travel from Africa -> Australia -> Antarctica -> South America -> Africa without having to go around the entire Antarctic rim. The directions of travel would not reflect the map on their site, but if you are just trying to set sail with your instruments from the middle of nowhere it is easy to not pay too much attention to directions.

I do not think you can just say that Africa, Australia and South America are closer together without showing how that actually could possibly work on a map. But you claim it is beyond your capacity to draw out even a rough sketch of what that would look like, so I guess your theory is just that....a theory with no evidence to back it up. I can say I have a theory that Australia is in the northern hemisphere, but so what? It does not make it a viable theory. And the Pacific Ocean is already shown as much larger than it really is on the unipolar map. How would making the ocean larger bring the continents closer together? That is a ridiculous assertion. You even say, "Under such a map it is certainly possible...". Well clearly there is no such map, so to claim that something is possible "under such a map" is a meaningless statement.

As for the idea that this large ship full of scientists from all around the world just set sail with their instruments from the middle of nowhere, that does not even make sense. What are you suggesting? That they just took off with no idea where they were going? No ship captain would last a day on their job if they ever did not know exactly where they were and exactly where they were going at all times. They had several planned stops on specific remote islands in the extreme southern latitudes where they had experiments and observations ready to perform, so I am sure they did not want to waste time just "setting sail". Again, this was a ship with 80 passengers and 60 crew members. They also most certainly always knew what direction they were headed. Have you never heard of a thing called a "compass"?

As usual, you are either trolling or simply incredibly uniformed about what you are claiming.
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Re: Expedition
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2017, 06:07:51 PM »
A theory that is becoming increasingly more appealing to me is that there is a flying green spaghetti monster. Under my preferred version of this theory he brings me big steaming bowls of delicious spaghetti and meatballs whenever I wish for it. In order to bring me spaghetti and meatballs, he must exist. So take that, flying spaghetti monster deniers!




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Re: Expedition
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2017, 06:00:55 AM »
I don't get it Tom Bishop. You say you believe that Antarctica is a continent and yet in this thread you argue against the veracity of all of the evidence of people circumnavigating that continent, which should be quite possible on a bipolar flat earth. Furthermore, in other threads, you have posted links to info in the Wiki based on the unipolar model when it seems you believe in the bipolar model of the flat earth. Do you even know what you believe?

I believe Antarctica to be a continent, but I would not blindly follow the Antarctic coast, in the case it were not one.

The people who claimed to have circumnavigated it may not me the most reliable sources. I believe that when we last looked at this subject those circumnavigations are done out in the open ocean in high latitudes far away from Antarctica. Those racers don't see any landmass at all.

Uvv. An ambitious perspective. For to believe Antarctica to be a continent, you should believe it has an end. At least, you should an evidence about it.

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Re: Expedition
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2017, 05:07:00 PM »
Of the Monopole proponents a theory is becoming increasingly popular that South America, Africa, and Australia are actually closer together than depicted in the common Monopole maps and the Pacific Ocean is larger.

Under such a map it is certainly possible to travel from Africa -> Australia -> Antarctica -> South America -> Africa without having to go around the entire Antarctic rim. The directions of travel would not reflect the map on their site, but if you are just trying to set sail with your instruments to a destination from the middle of nowhere it is easy to not pay too much attention to directions.
I look forward to your scale sketch of how that would be possible.  A flat earth should be perfectly represented on a flat map, you should be able to measure distance with a ruler and not have to do any conversion beyond scale multiplication.

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