The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« on: April 08, 2017, 07:01:37 AM »
I love our Earth being flat!  I still am hungry for better understanding of the celestial clockwork.  If the Sun's path remains between the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn, on the flat earth, then the distance is greater to travel over the later than the former.  Since the tropic of Capricorn has a greater circumference, then the tropic of Cancer, it means the path is longer, thus the Sun must travel faster to make his 24 hours lap.  What does this mean for the south-americans  in their day's lenght around the winter solstice?  Does it go quick?  Wouldn't they get long nights too?  The heliocentric model gives them long days like the opposite of our summer solstice.  Can anyone down south hear this shout?  What kind of daylight do you have for christmas?

Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 06:28:27 PM »
I love our Earth being flat!  I still am hungry for better understanding of the celestial clockwork.  If the Sun's path remains between the tropic of Cancer and the tropic of Capricorn, on the flat earth, then the distance is greater to travel over the later than the former.  Since the tropic of Capricorn has a greater circumference, then the tropic of Cancer, it means the path is longer, thus the Sun must travel faster to make his 24 hours lap.  What does this mean for the south-americans  in their day's lenght around the winter solstice?  Does it go quick?  Wouldn't they get long nights too?  The heliocentric model gives them long days like the opposite of our summer solstice.  Can anyone down south hear this shout?  What kind of daylight do you have for christmas?

You can check sunrise and sunset times for most locations on earth including the southern hemisphere at https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

Warning: The data on there contradicts the flat earth map in many ways.

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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2017, 03:56:56 PM »
Since the sun would be moving overhead along the tropic of Cancer considerably slower than it does along the equator, and even slower yet than it would along the tropic of Capricorn, then this difference could be easily measured by people in the north using a stick in the ground and noting the distance the shadow moves over a period of time on the north's summer solstice, while those in the south perform the same measurement on the solstice of their summer.

This would be a big proof for FET.

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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2017, 05:49:16 PM »
The only explanation in RE theory for different day lengths is an elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. However, is this just an example of circle logic (no pun intended) or retrofitting an explanation to fit an observation?

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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2017, 06:15:53 PM »
The only explanation in RE theory for different day lengths is an elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. However, is this just an example of circle logic (no pun intended) or retrofitting an explanation to fit an observation?

No, is pretty much an explanation based on the observation of this phenomenon and others, like the explanation for eclipses and moon phases.
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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2017, 07:01:50 PM »
The only explanation in RE theory for different day lengths is an elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. However, is this just an example of circle logic (no pun intended) or retrofitting an explanation to fit an observation?
The elliptical orbit is not the explanation for different day lengths.  Who has ever given that explanation?  Can you link to someone who actually gives  that as an explanation?

The explanation is a sphere which is tilted at 23.5°.   That tilt explains the seasons, the planetary ecliptic, the solar ecliptic, the change in length of days, the changes in the azimuth change of sunrise and sunset.  The elliptical orbit explains the subtle changes in angular diameter of the sun throughout the year, the reason why summer and winter are not equal in length, and why the solar analemma isn't symetric.

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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2017, 05:53:12 PM »
The only explanation in RE theory for different day lengths is an elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. However, is this just an example of circle logic (no pun intended) or retrofitting an explanation to fit an observation?
The elliptical orbit is not the explanation for different day lengths.  Who has ever given that explanation?  Can you link to someone who actually gives  that as an explanation?

The explanation is a sphere which is tilted at 23.5°.   That tilt explains the seasons, the planetary ecliptic, the solar ecliptic, the change in length of days, the changes in the azimuth change of sunrise and sunset.  The elliptical orbit explains the subtle changes in angular diameter of the sun throughout the year, the reason why summer and winter are not equal in length, and why the solar analemma isn't symetric.

Yes - exactly.  It's a common misapprehension with the RE-believing general public that the elliptical orbit of the earth is the cause of the seasons - but that's incorrect.  In RET, the distance from Sun to Earth varies from 147 million to 152 million kilometers - a few percent difference.   If that was the cause of the seasons then the northern and southern hemispheres would have their summers at the same time - and they don't.  When it's summer in Europe, it's winter in Australia and vice-versa.

So axial tilt is the correct explanation - and (as you say) it explains many more things that are easy to observe - that the sun rises and sets at a different point on the horizon between seasons - that sundials don't tell good time - that there are months of continuous sunshine and months of continuous darkness at the poles...lots of things depend on that tilt.

So for RE theory - axial tilt is an important property of the world we live in...and the FET motions of the sun and moon must reproduce that effect precisely.

Hey Tom:  What path do the photons take from the physical location of the sun to my eye at sunset?

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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2017, 05:26:59 AM »
The only explanation in RE theory for different day lengths is an elliptical orbit of the Earth around the Sun. However, is this just an example of circle logic (no pun intended) or retrofitting an explanation to fit an observation?
The elliptical orbit is not the explanation for different day lengths.  Who has ever given that explanation?  Can you link to someone who actually gives  that as an explanation?

The explanation is a sphere which is tilted at 23.5°.   That tilt explains the seasons, the planetary ecliptic, the solar ecliptic, the change in length of days, the changes in the azimuth change of sunrise and sunset.  The elliptical orbit explains the subtle changes in angular diameter of the sun throughout the year, the reason why summer and winter are not equal in length, and why the solar analemma isn't symetric.

Actually, the difference between the solar day and the sidereal day is the combined effect of BOTH the axial tilt and the elliptical orbit.
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Re: The Sun's speed must vary between winter and summer
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2017, 01:22:37 PM »
Yes - exactly.
Hey Tom:  What path do the photons take from the physical location of the sun to my eye at sunset?