[Tom Bishop]

BREAKING NEWS TRUMP GROWS IN HEIGHT OVER THE SPAN OF A FEW MINUTES

Trump is supposed to be 6'3", yet is shorter than Vance who is 6'2".

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/us/national/politics/2025/02/09/vance-musk-trump-courts-doge

[honk]

Trump is the one who "started" this, so to speak, by lying about his height and weight. If you tell an obvious lie and people call it out, you can't suddenly backtrack by saying it's not important and nobody cares. If it's important enough to lie about, then it's important enough to debunk the lies. I'll agree with Tom that the pictures of Trump with Vance are inconclusive, but the post I made from a few years ago that I just linked to, and I'll quote now for the benefit of anyone who didn't bother clicking the link, leaves no doubt:

I completely missed this, but it looks like Trump's annual physical was finally released a week ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/donald-trump-annual-physical/index.html

Supposedly Trump is 6'3 and weighs 244 lbs, just one pound up from last year. I feel bad for Sean Conley, and can only assume that Trump has either implicitly or explicitly threatened to fire him and ensure his career is ended in disgrace if he doesn't say what Trump wants him to, but he is clearly lying. I know I've been talking about this a lot lately, but it deserves emphasis because of how obvious the dishonesty is. Here's Trump next to 6'3 Alex Rodriguez:



Your eyes are not lying to you. Rodriguez is clearly a couple of inches taller than Trump. And here's Trump next to 6'2 Mark Sanchez:



Again, Sanchez is taller. Finally, we have Trump next to 6'1 Obama:



About the same. So Trump is not 6'3, and he's not even 6'2 like he put down on his driver's license. He's (at most) 6'1. The President and his doctor are lying to us about his medical details. Can you imagine the absolute shitstorm that Republicans would have kicked up - and rightfully so - if Obama had done anything like this?

It's impossible to refute the first picture. They're standing right next to each other, and even though he's slightly bent, Rodriguez is towering over Trump. Unlike politicians, professional athletes actually have their heights measured by neutral organizations who don't just take their word for it, so there's no question of it possibly being Rodriguez who's lying. Trump appearing to be taller in other pictures can easily be explained by the shoe lifts he frequently wears.

[Tom Bishop]

Just stop. It's easy to find pictures of varying heights, in various conditions. Photographs with unknown conditions are not a measurement tool.

Here is Trump towering over Mohamed Ali who is 6'3".





Trump with George Foreman who is 6'4"

[Lord Dave]

It IS possible that Trump slouches like hell.

Or that he makes sure he poses for pictures on his tippy toes.

[markjo]

Or, as honk pointed out, lifts in his shoes, and possibly in combination with highish heels? 

[Tom Bishop]

Or, you know, slight angle discrepancies causing height effects.

[honk]

Just stop. It's easy to find pictures of varying heights, in various conditions.

Again, because Trump often wears shoe lifts. If there's any doubt as to which picture represents his true height, it's only logical to conclude it's the one in which he's shorter. You can wear something that increases your height; you can't wear something that decreases your height. The only possible other explanation for Rodriguez, in a very plain, simple picture in which we can see that they're both standing next to each other with no tricks of perspective, being visibly taller than Trump without him being actually taller is that Rodriguez is the one who wears shoe lifts, which is farcical on the face of it.

And no, I won't stop. Trump is a fat, vain, campy man who doesn't have a shred of the masculinity his followers project onto him, and both he and his followers deserve to be mocked for it.

Or, you know, slight angle discrepancies causing height effects.

It's funny how this is obviously at least part of what's going on in the pictures you've posted of Trump with Ali and Vance. Trump is very clearly in the foreground for some of those pictures. Of course, Trump is still wearing his lifts in those pictures, so it doesn't matter, but it wasn't a great choice of pictures on your part.

[Tom Bishop]

Actually I didn't even need to put one character in front of the other, it also works when they are side-by-side. As long as the camera is closer to one character they will be taller. Considering that these are extreme close up pictures, with often more than two subjects in a cropped photo, it stands that it is possible that the camera is closer to one specific person in the shot than another. They will therefore be "taller". 



It is extremely fallacious to take random photographs and make assumptions, especially when your data is contradicted by other photographs, however normal it is for the media to operate in this way. From this exercise I am fairly certain that Trump is within an inch of the height he says he is. My certainty in the lies and ignorance of the liberal media is also reinforced.

Curiously, I note that this is all basically a continuation of humanity's error of Aristotelian logic and science which stems back thousands of years, an erroneous Dark Age practice where you make an observation and just assume it to be true without further investigation, based on your inherent and emotional need to be correct.

[Shane]

let's just agree to disagree

[Lord Dave]

Man, Trump really hates Powell.
Considering he nominated him to begin with, this is to be expected.  Trump ultimately hates everyone he hires.  His children included.

[AATW]

I think we just gotta ask ourselves... If a president will lie about something as trivial as his weight and height... What else is he gonna lie about?  How can we trust him?

You’re right.
But the issue is Trump lies endlessly. One side know this and are bemused that he has ended up in power anyway. The other side just don’t care about his endless lies or have somehow deluded themselves in to believing he doesn’t lie. From the other side of the pond it is all a bit baffling. But we had similar with Johnson over here. I miss integrity. Although I do think Starmer has some - regardless of whether you agree with his policies, we do at least have a grown up in charge. The issue with Trump is he works by instinct, not strategy. We’ve seen that with the tariff stuff, he’s constantly changing his mind about things because he doesn’t really have a plan. It’s pretty terrifying really.

[Tom Bishop]

I think we just gotta ask ourselves... If a president will lie about something as trivial as his weight and height... What else is he gonna lie about?  How can we trust him?

You’re right.
But the issue is Trump lies endlessly. One side know this and are bemused that he has ended up in power anyway. The other side just don’t care about his endless lies or have somehow deluded themselves in to believing he doesn’t lie. From the other side of the pond it is all a bit baffling. But we had similar with Johnson over here.

The problem here is the poor quality of arguments. Recall this argument you made about Boris Johnson, proudly announcing your "favourite" lie of his. It was poorly researched:

My "favourite" (if that's the right word) Boris example was when he went to a hospital for a photo-op and was accosted by a parent of a patient there. The man lambasted Boris about the lack of resources and for coming to the hospital for a photo-op. Boris denied it and said something along the lines of "there are no press here" in front of the press who were recording the encounter.

Your "favourite" example is actually an embarrassing display of your tendency to assume things which suit you without considering that you might be wrong and that you need to research your positions. Obviously "there are no press here" can mean a lot of things. Namely that they weren't acting as press. It's not too hard to find that this was the case:

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-what-did-boris-johnson-mean-when-he-said-there-were-no-press-at-his-hospital-visit

Omar Salem was waiting for his daughter to be treated in a paediatric ward in Whipps Cross hospital in northeast London when he confronted the Prime Minister, saying: “The NHS is being destroyed… it’s being destroyed and now you come here for a press opportunity.”

Mr Johnson replied: “Well actually, there’s no press here.”

Gesticulating at the members of the media standing nearby, Mr Salem said: “What do you mean, there’s no press here? Who are these people?”

Mr Johnson appeared to start an attempted explanation, saying: “They’re… they’re here…” before trailing off.

Who was at the event?

Downing Street invited a photographer and a video crew from the Press Association – the UK’s news agency of record – to the event, as well as a “pool” video crew, consisting of a ​camera operator and broadcast journalist.

The long-established pool system involves the major broadcasters (including ITN, the makers of Channel 4 News) taking it in turns to send cameras and journalists to events that we know about in advance.

Footage shot by the pool camera crew is then made available to other members of the pool for use in their own broadcasts.

Often, the pool team agrees to go to the event on the understanding that a reporter will get the chance to ask questions of politicians like Boris Johnson.

Obviously, if only one reporter attends, that limits the scope of the questions, but the questions aren’t pre-arranged with the government and there’s no restriction on what journalists can ask.

On this occasion, the broadcasters who run the pool were told that they would be able to film Mr Johnson walking around the hospital visit, but no arrangements were made to record an interview the Prime Minister, or ask him questions.

The pool team agreed to go on this understanding. Apart from the Press Association, it appears that no other reporters from newspapers or other news organisations attended.

This may have been what Mr Johnson had in mind when he said there were “no press” at the event.

It wasn't a press event. You were assuming too much. A person who is taking photographs or video in a hospital to document a state visit isn't necessarily acting as "press". The relative of the patient was questioning Johnson about the absurdity of the presence of press at the hospital, but Johnson pointed out that consideration was given. They were not acting as press by agreement.

Johnson's use of "actually" in his response of “Well actually, there’s no press here" suggests that they may seem like press, but are not. This should have prompted additional research on the actual situation rather than just assuming things. Johnson is suggesting that he knows something that the relative didn't know, which an astute investigator should have looked into before embarrassing themselves with false and faulty partisan accusations.

These "lies" seem to hinge on your own intelligence and ability to research and comprehend truth, which puts your assessments into serious question. Considering that you apparently believe every liberal trash article you come across, we can safely dismiss your disreputable claptrap.

[AATW]

The problem here is the poor quality of arguments.

The actual problem is that you are either a troll or, less likely but certainly possible, you’re so deep in the Trump cult that you have managed to convince yourself you see 5 fingers when only 4 are held up.
But even if you have convinced yourself, you don’t convince anyone else.

[Lord Dave]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-counterterrorism-czar-says-kilmar-161028821.html

And there goes the first amendment.

[AATW]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-counterterrorism-czar-says-kilmar-161028821.html

And there goes the first amendment.

Some would ask “Is the US ok?”.
I am surprised that the rumblings about all this aren’t louder. The right are so excited about “owning the libs” that they don’t seem to care that some fundamental parts of the US constitution and laws are being ridden over roughshod

[garygreen]

due process is terrorism

[Lord Dave]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-counterterrorism-czar-says-kilmar-161028821.html

And there goes the first amendment.

Some would ask “Is the US ok?”.
I am surprised that the rumblings about all this aren’t louder. The right are so excited about “owning the libs” that they don’t seem to care that some fundamental parts of the US constitution and laws are being ridden over roughshod

It's not shocking.
For all the talk about Freedom and Rights, the right cares about neither so long as it's not them whose at risk.  They paint a nationalistic picture that is for them and them alone and call those rights for all.

[honk]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/20/politics/hegseth-second-signal-chat-military-plans/index.html

Whiskeyleaks strikes again!

[Tom Bishop]

The problem here is the poor quality of arguments.

The actual problem is that you are either a troll or, less likely but certainly possible, you’re so deep in the Trump cult that you have managed to convince yourself you see 5 fingers when only 4 are held up.
But even if you have convinced yourself, you don’t convince anyone else.

This is an interesting choice of a comeback, considering that you have an avatar of an internet troll. You come here as the troll you envision yourself to be and post your nonsense from the trolliest of leftist comedy websites, from which you get your knowledge.

The Trump/Johnson "lies" argument is objectively false and silly. The leftist "They lie about everything" argument is geared towards the lowest IQ public who have trouble understanding more complex topics.

We are supposed to believe that they walk around irrationally lying, but when these claims are repeated in a place where they can be challenged we see consistent embarrassment, such as when you guys posted a video clip and told me that Trump thought that magnets stopped working in water and it turned out that he was obviously talking about electromagnets in the full conversation. These examples and subsequent smackdowns have been repeated in this thread over, and over, and over again, and yet you refuse to learn.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/20/politics/hegseth-second-signal-chat-military-plans/index.html

Whiskeyleaks strikes again!

We covered this already. The Secretary of Defense is second in command of the military and has broad classification and declassification powers. Your argument would be in a much better position if this wasn't the person in charge of classifying and declassifying military information.

[honk]

Yes, it's actually a good thing that an unqualified drunk is in charge of the military and regularly shares classified information on unsecured platforms with people who have no security clearance.