[Action80]

Makes things worse for who, exactly?

People that do not matter, typing on a keyboard in some slovenly abode, located in a country across the soon-to-be renamed, Ocean of America?
 
Anyone judged to have any skill whatsoever in these matters are okay with it.

You guys are not occupants of that subset.

Nobody cares.

Quoting LD, once again...

This is... really, really stupid

[AATW]

Makes things worse for who, exactly?

For your country.

The whole world is laughing at you and/or looking on in some horror at the utter clowns you have in charge.
You have incompetence at the highest level of government.
And you have a president who is also incompetent - I mean, he put those people in place. And he doesn't care that his senior staff are incompetent, he just likes that they're sycophantic.

If you don't care how incompetent your senior leaders are then fair enough I guess. And this incident makes clear just how incompetent.
It's a bit of a strange stance though.

[Action80]

What we have here is a bunch of individual "tails," that are no longer "wagging a dog."

A. Nobody gives a shit about what anybody else thinks or cares about, push come to shove.

II. You are asking everybody here to rely on your professed (likely mythical, much like your beloved RE) ability to determine levels of competence within positions of government that you do not occupy, have never occupied, and cannot ever hope to occupy.

c. Claiming to have some level of insight as to what the "whole world," thinks is fucking laughable.

The opinion you offer here is laughable, precisely due to point II.

Go fly a fucking kite, ffs.

[AATW]

You are asking everybody here to rely on your professed ability to determine levels of competence within positions of government that you do not occupy, have never occupied, and cannot ever hope to occupy

They added a fucking journalist, who does not have security clearance, to a group chat about an upcoming military operation.
By accident.
And they then proceeded to talk about said operation with the journalist in the group, no-one noticing he was in there.

Are you going to sit there with a straight face and claim that doesn't demonstrate a high level of incompetence?

[Action80]

Who said it was an accident?

Are you going to sit there with a straight face and claim you believe anything offered by anyone occupying the US Military/Intelligence agencies?

[AATW]

Who said it was an accident?

Literally everyone.

[Lord Dave]

Biden: he's incompetent and shouldn't lead.
Trump's team: Incompetence is fine!

[DuncanDoenitz]

This wasn't an interview or an authorized release to the media. It was a mistake. A clumsy, reckless mistake by incompetent people.

You would be making the same argument if Pete Hegseth told the VP in the chat that he was preparing to attack terrorists in caves, just like what was published. It turns out, you guys don't know what actually needs to stay secret.

It gives me no pleasure to point out that it was terrorists in caves who whooped America's ass in Vietnam. 

It was terrorists in caves that forced The Donald to negotiate a withdrawal from Afghanistan. 

It is terrorists in caves who are currently launching ballistic missiles at Israel, destroying Red Sea commercial shipping, and targeting Air- and Surface-Assets of the US Navy and its allies, to the extent that a US Navy ship shot down a US Navy F/A-18. 

You underestimate the commitment, technology and intelligence (in all definitions of that word) of terrorists in caves at your peril. 

[Tom Bishop]

This is nothing to do with anyone's politics. This was a group chat set up to discuss a particular mission.
Leaving aside whether they should be using Signal for this purpose, the point you keep failing to acknowledge is
THEY INVITED A FUCKING JOURNALIST WHO HAD NO SECURITY CLEARANCE IN TO THE CHAT BY ACCIDENT.
And, worse, no-one noticed throughout the chat.

This would only be relevant if you were correct that general operational details are super secret classified. You are wrong, of course, and are just imagining things from your own naivety of how this should work. In this thread you are LARPing as an expert on military secrecy. There have been many occasions where officials have openly discussed operational plans in general, specifically against weak enemies. Here this author interviewed a commander on the Afghanistan War in 2010:

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/0309/Afghanistan-war-Fight-for-Kandahar-won-t-be-like-fight-for-Marjah

Afghanistan war: Fight for Kandahar won't be like fight for Marjah

"In the next stage in the Afghanistan war, coalition forces are expected to build up gradually on the outskirts of the Taliban stronghold of Kandahar, perhaps for months. That strategy departs from the one executed in the Marjah offensive, in which troops entered quickly.

...The operation that American and coalition forces are planning for Kandahar in southern Afghanistan won’t look like D-Day, the top commander there said Tuesday."

WOW LEAKED WAR PLANS

Someone familiar with the news over the previous decades knows that there are a large number of these examples. So no, you are just incredibly misinformed on what constitutes a secret war plan and what specific information needs to be confidential.

[AATW]

Biden: he's incompetent and shouldn't lead.
Trump's team: Incompetence is fine!

This whole thread has become a this is fine meme from the usual suspects

[AATW]

thisisfine.jpg

Yes yes, you definitely believe that this is fine and there has been no issue here.
The secret to good trolling is not to make it so obvious. You’re a walking Monty Python argument sketch, you’re not arguing in good faith so I’ll leave you to it.

[Tom Bishop]

You are making a fool out of yourself. Pete Hegseth, with three tours of military service, obviously knows more about operational security than you do.

https://twitter.com/PeteHegseth/status/1904918673250468002

[Lord Dave]

You are making a fool out of yourself. Pete Hegseth, with three tours of military service, obviously knows more about operational security than you do.

https://twitter.com/PeteHegseth/status/1904918673250468002

F-18s, one drone.  Three strikes.
One at 13:45 f18 strike. (Pending target trigger)
One at 14:15 drone strike.(MQ9) 
One at 15:36 second f18 strike
1536 Tomahawk missiles launch

Now I count...
3 weapons(methods), three strike times(makes it easy to avoid being hit), and one location (terrorist known location where he usually is at 1345 so if you usually are at a place at 1345, you know you're gonna be hit.

So Pete must be really fucking stupid or didn't read the chat.

[AATW]

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Whatever you say, champ.

[Lord Dave]

Remember a few days ago when Pete called him a liar? 
Wonder why if he knew he wasn't lying?  Or maybe he didn't ....

[honk]

Pete Hegseth did nothing wrong, according to Pete Hegseth. Nothing to see here, move along.

[Lord Dave]

I would be 100% shocked if any criminal charges for violating the espionage act were ever filed.  Or the records act since signal deletes messages after a time. 
This is gonna be swept under the rug of other illegal things.

Also, apparently, one of the people in the chat, using a personal cell phone, WAS IN MOSCOW at the time.

There is no excuse for this shit, and we can quote Trump, Gabbard, and Hegseth if we want to know their thoughts on releasing classified data.

[Tom Bishop]

As I can see the only military authorities mentioned in this thread who have commented with a position on this are Pete Hegseth, the officials such as CIA Director Ratcliffe who congress questioned and who claimed it was not a breach or classified, as well as the several military commanders who I pointed out who were giving out similar operational details about conflicts in Afghanistan. Who is your military secrecy source, exactly? You guys are citing a few random journalists and your own opinion, pretending to be military experts when you are not.

You have nothing. Stop LARPing and role playing out your insufferable pearl clutching fantasies. It's terrible.

[Lord Dave]

As I can see the only military authorities mentioned in this thread who have commented with a position on this are Pete Hegseth, the officials such as CIA Director Ratcliffe who congress questioned and who claimed it was not a breach or classified, as well as the several military commanders who I pointed out who were giving out similar operational details about conflicts in Afghanistan. Who is your military secrecy source, exactly? You guys are citing a few random journalists and your own opinion, pretending to be military experts when you are not.

You have nothing. Stop LARPing and role playing out your insufferable pearl clutching fantasies. It's terrible.

The espionage act.  Which has clear rules stating that disseminating national security information to people not authorized to have it, is a crime if it's done willingly or out of gross negligence.

And its rather unusual that you're supporting the authority, especially since that authority is involved in it.

[AATW]

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Sure it is, fella.
You definitely believe that and aren’t in any way trolling.
And has this happened under Biden you’d obviously be saying the same things.