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Re: Trump
« Reply #12340 on: February 26, 2025, 10:32:28 AM »
Receiving aid is one thing. A country joining you in battle is another. During the Revolutionary War the French joined America in battle, and it's questionable that the colonists could have won without that. In this case with Ukraine no one is willing to join them in battle. They have been asking for countries to step in, but have been rejected by every western power. So it's a clear loss.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #12341 on: February 26, 2025, 11:18:51 AM »

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« Reply #12342 on: February 26, 2025, 01:06:44 PM »
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/25/nx-s1-5308095/doge-staff-resignations-elon-musk

I guess DOGE isn't doing a good thing, is it?

Real Headline: Obama Staffers Leave
Uhhh... There is no mention that these people worked there since the department was created.  It should also be noted that it's irrelevant.  Obama himself did not hire them nor were they hired for political reasons nor did Trump fire them if they were there since Obama.

So what is your point?  That people who were part of a department that Obama setup are politically motivated and loyal to Obama and thus are leaving because Trump is president?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12343 on: February 26, 2025, 01:12:50 PM »
Receiving aid is one thing. A country joining you in battle is another. During the Revolutionary War the French joined America in battle, and it's questionable that the colonists could have won without that. In this case with Ukraine no one is willing to join them in battle. They have been asking for countries to step in, but have been rejected by every western power. So it's a clear loss.
Because then they'd declare war against Russia and that could escelate to WW3.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12344 on: February 26, 2025, 09:34:14 PM »
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« Reply #12345 on: February 27, 2025, 01:58:11 AM »
Receiving aid is one thing. A country joining you in battle is another. During the Revolutionary War the French joined America in battle, and it's questionable that the colonists could have won without that. In this case with Ukraine no one is willing to join them in battle. They have been asking for countries to step in, but have been rejected by every western power. So it's a clear loss.
Because then they'd declare war against Russia and that could escelate to WW3.

It could also have escalated to Russian withdrawal. Russia acknowledges that they wouldn't be in Ukraine if Ukraine were in NATO. So it is clear that the western powers stood by watching Ukraine beg for more direct help as they were slaughtered.

Uhhh... There is no mention that these people worked there since the department was created.  It should also be noted that it's irrelevant.  Obama himself did not hire them nor were they hired for political reasons nor did Trump fire them if they were there since Obama.

So what is your point?  That people who were part of a department that Obama setup are politically motivated and loyal to Obama and thus are leaving because Trump is president?

If they were part of a prior agency that was turned into DOGE it is somewhat inaccurate to say that the DOGE team is quitting.

https://fox2now.com/news/national/no-savings-expected-from-nearly-40-of-doge-canceled-contracts/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIsZ-VleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHTlGk08XskaFi_IRgUrft8-br1FipMyN2HNhcfo778aCJO1sJ8fHGZuPEQ_aem_AwXrXTNYqy-2atWC6sbkyQ

Now, why would they proclaim savings on things that wouldn't save anything?
Could it be all a show?  Or are they just that inept at the job?

Sounds like a cope to me. The contracts were canceled, so even if a subscription or service was already paid for by the time Trump got into office, it will stop recurring charges. The article concedes that many of those have not been paid, which means that it is directly saving money this year as well.
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« Reply #12346 on: February 27, 2025, 06:26:06 AM »
Receiving aid is one thing. A country joining you in battle is another. During the Revolutionary War the French joined America in battle, and it's questionable that the colonists could have won without that. In this case with Ukraine no one is willing to join them in battle. They have been asking for countries to step in, but have been rejected by every western power. So it's a clear loss.
Because then they'd declare war against Russia and that could escelate to WW3.

It could also have escalated to Russian withdrawal. Russia acknowledges that they wouldn't be in Ukraine if Ukraine were in NATO. So it is clear that the western powers stood by watching Ukraine beg for more direct help as they were slaughtered.
And the war started BECAUSE they wanted to join NATO.  Catch 22 there.
Also, its rather odd that you happily support a country that slaughters people.

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Uhhh... There is no mention that these people worked there since the department was created.  It should also be noted that it's irrelevant.  Obama himself did not hire them nor were they hired for political reasons nor did Trump fire them if they were there since Obama.

So what is your point?  That people who were part of a department that Obama setup are politically motivated and loyal to Obama and thus are leaving because Trump is president?

If they were part of a prior agency that was turned into DOGE it is somewhat inaccurate to say that the DOGE team is quitting.
They were working on DOGE projects so I'd call that quitting DOGE.  Unless you think they should say they're quitting the agency that doesn't exist anymore.  But that would be confusing.


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Now, why would they proclaim savings on things that wouldn't save anything?
Could it be all a show?  Or are they just that inept at the job?

Sounds like a cope to me. The contracts we canceled, so even if a subscription or service was already paid yearly for the period by the time Trump got into office, it will stop recurring charges. The article concedes that many of those have not been paid, which means that it is directly saving money this year as well.
Yeah but it's a lie.  Or at least misleading.
Example: they canceled the sesame street in Iraq grant.
They claimed it was 1.5 million saved.
But it's not.  That was the total amount the contract/grant paid out since 2022.  It saves 500,000/year.  Which is what we're all assuming.

So they are inflating their numbers by using items, contracts, grants, and totals already paid, not will be paid.  You can't say "I saved $2,400" by canceling a $20/month Netflix subscription you've had for 10 years.  Which is what musk is doing to make his numbers look bigger than they are.  And you know it!
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Re: Trump
« Reply #12347 on: February 27, 2025, 12:15:51 PM »
If they were part of a prior agency that was turned into DOGE it is somewhat inaccurate to say that the DOGE team is quitting.

Maybe Elon should write an email to his stockholders explaining five things he did at Tesla this week.

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« Reply #12348 on: February 27, 2025, 02:49:17 PM »
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/the-new-mccarthyism-lgbtq-purges

Anyone who participated in an LGBQT+ chat is now fired and listed as a sex pervert.
No other chat, mind you, just this one.
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« Reply #12349 on: February 28, 2025, 01:44:39 AM »
I would like a list of all the other "chat," pages federal employees maintain, operate, and participate in during working hours. Those employees need to be fired too.

Right, LD?
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #12350 on: February 28, 2025, 02:54:53 AM »
https://apnews.com/article/romania-andrew-tate-us-04749679b90fad821c2b945955f5b145

Again, it needs to be stressed that this is not a coincidence. The Trump administration lobbied and pressured the Romanian government into releasing the Tates. I'll avoid talking about the brother for now because I don't know enough about his involvement to fairly judge him, but Andrew Tate is a vile piece of shit who has openly bragged about the women he's abused, exploited, and yes, raped, even though he's denied the specific crimes he's been charged with. Does he deserve his day in court, and until that time, to be treated by the government as innocent until proved guilty? Of course. Does he deserve to have the President of the United States, within his first six weeks of office, directly intervene in his case on his behalf and get him out of the country that's prosecuting him? Absolutely fucking not.
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« Reply #12351 on: February 28, 2025, 11:50:14 AM »
Quote from: honk
https://apnews.com/article/romania-andrew-tate-us-04749679b90fad821c2b945955f5b145

Again, it needs to be stressed that this is not a coincidence. The Trump administration lobbied and pressured the Romanian government into releasing the Tates.

The article you posted doesn't say that though.

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The Tates’ departure came after Romanian Foreign Minister Emil Hurezeanu said this month that a Trump administration official expressed interest in the brothers’ case at the recent Munich Security Conference. The minister insisted no pressure was applied to lift restrictions on the Tates after a Financial Times report on the meeting caused a stir in Romania.

Andrew Tate leaves the Bucharest Tribunal along with his bodyguards after the first hearing his trial, meant to establish if he and his brother Tristan will remain under house arrest, in Bucharest, Romania, Wednesday, June 21, 2023. Romanian prosecutors charged on Tuesday, June 20, 2023, the Tate brothers and two other suspects with human trafficking, rape and organizing a criminal group for the sexual exploitation of women. (AP Photo/Vadim Ghirda)

The article also says that the Romanian Court of Appeals said that the Tate case could not proceed, but was not closed, meaning the court didn't have enough legitimate evidence to hold them or convict them.

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In December, a court ruled that the case could not go to trial because of multiple legal and procedural irregularities on the part of the prosecutors. The case, however, remained open, and there is also another ongoing investigation against them in Romania.

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The Bucharest Court of Appeal’s decision that the Tate case could not proceed was a huge setback for DIICOT, but it did not mean the defendants could walk free, and the case has not been closed.

The phrases "case could not proceed" and "huge setback" are used here because prosecution's case failed. Unless you are suggesting that US also influenced a foreign court, it is more likely that this failed case had more to do with the lifting of travel restrictions than any US influence. It appears that your complaint should be aimed at Romania for not being barbaric enough to hold someone who has had their charges dropped but not dismissed.

Also, it should be noted that the sex trafficking referred to here is camgirl recruitment. The law does not generally take this sort of sex trafficking seriously.
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« Reply #12352 on: February 28, 2025, 02:47:35 PM »
I would like a list of all the other "chat," pages federal employees maintain, operate, and participate in during working hours. Those employees need to be fired too.

Right, LD?
Sure.
There's the
"Gun club" chat
"Venting" chat
"Accounting" chat
"Management" chat
"Prayer group" chat
"Lunch" chat

And many more.
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« Reply #12353 on: February 28, 2025, 05:54:59 PM »
They operate those chat pages during working hours?
To be honest I am getting pretty bored of this place.

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« Reply #12354 on: February 28, 2025, 06:42:14 PM »
It appears that Zelensky blew it and performed poorly at the White House.

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« Reply #12355 on: February 28, 2025, 07:00:27 PM »
It appears that Zelensky blew it and performed poorly at the White House.


Hey Tom.
I'm gonna invade your house.  Kill half your family.  Then, when the police arrive to negotiate, they'll agree with me that you deserve to die but they'll be nice and let half of  your family live.  Oh and I keep the house.

Sound good?  Sound like the police have your best interests?  I mean, only someone who doesn't want to resolve this situation peacefully would object.
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« Reply #12356 on: February 28, 2025, 07:00:59 PM »
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Sound good?

I approve of what is going on. I voted for this.

Here is part of the meeting towards the end: https://youtu.be/iXIJBf8eeTg?si=9rfL4efjRROAMb1i&t=366

At 6:06 of this video Trump suggests a ceasefire and Zelensky doubles down on his refusal for a ceasefire, stating to "Ask my people about a cease fire and what they think...".

Terrible. How can you come to the White House with hat in hand for help while thousands of your people are getting killed and refuse a ceasefire as a first step towards peace unless you get guarantees?

Update: Zelensky has been kicked out of the White House

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« Reply #12357 on: February 28, 2025, 07:56:19 PM »
Zelensky is a lib and he found out that libs at the Trump white house get owned. Maybe if you wanted more help you should be more grateful to your benefactors instead of trying to smugly correct them on national television. He should have respected his superiors but couldn't put his ego aside for even one second to save his own country. Sad!

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« Reply #12358 on: February 28, 2025, 09:02:29 PM »
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Sound good?

I approve of what is going on. I voted for this.

Here is part of the meeting towards the end: https://youtu.be/iXIJBf8eeTg?si=9rfL4efjRROAMb1i&t=366

At 6:06 of this video Trump suggests a ceasefire and Zelensky doubles down on his refusal for a ceasefire, stating to "Ask my people about a cease fire and what they think...".

Terrible. How can you come to the White House with hat in hand for help while thousands of your people are getting killed and refuse a ceasefire as a first step towards peace unless you get guarantees?

Update: Zelensky has been kicked out of the White House


Neither Trump nor Russia is known for keeping their word.  I'd want guarentees too.  Only an idiot would trust Trump or Putin.
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« Reply #12359 on: February 28, 2025, 09:58:36 PM »

Zelensky just fucked up big time. He threatened the US and its citizens.
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