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« Reply #5080 on: April 10, 2020, 07:11:14 AM »
"As the pandemic kills, as the economic depression tightens its grip, Donald Trump has consistently put his own needs first. Right now, when his only care should be to beat the pandemic, Trump is renegotiating his debts with his bankers and lease payments with Palm Beach County.

He has never tried to be president of the whole United States, but at most 46 percent of it, to the extent that serving even the 46 percent has been consistent with his supreme concerns: stealing, loafing, and whining. Now he is not even serving the 46 percent. The people most victimized by his lies and fantasies are the people who trusted him, the more conservative Americans who harmed themselves to prove their loyalty to Trump. "

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/americans-are-paying-the-price-for-trumps-failures/609532/






"As a tabloid editor, I covered Trump – and his ego. He hasn't changed a bit"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/08/trump-new-york-coronavirus-crisis-newspapers

"Instead of being the authoritative, inspiring voice that the nation so desperately needs in its darkest hour, Trump shows much of the same bullying, self-satisfied characteristics he learned in his dealings with the media in New York. In fact, Trump was more comfortable and coherent discussing gossip items as he is trying to inspire a frightened country.

It’s frightening enough ...

When Trump teased journalists with hints of dalliances and bragged of business dealings all those years ago, the price of being beaten was newspaper bragging rights in the morning. Now the price of his uncontrollable narcissism is far more serious, and it’s being paid in American lives."
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5081 on: April 10, 2020, 03:03:34 PM »
Guys, it's the Democrats' fault that the crisis has gotten so bad. If Trump hadn't been distracted by that damn witch hunt of an impeachment trial he could have focused on the impending crisis he kept insisting wasn't coming. But the government had to try to hold him accountable for his alleged misconduct (fake news) and now look what the Democrats have done!
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« Reply #5082 on: April 10, 2020, 03:08:09 PM »
[SARCASM]

Guys, it's the Democrats' fault that the crisis has gotten so bad. If Trump hadn't been distracted by that damn witch hunt of an impeachment trial he could have focused on the impending crisis he kept insisting wasn't coming. But the government had to try to hold him accountable for his alleged misconduct (fake news) and now look what the Democrats have done!

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5083 on: April 13, 2020, 10:26:12 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-hits-back-at-media-speculation-on-fauci-says-trump-not-firing-him

Trump retweeted a tweet that concluded with the hashtag #firefauci, and somehow the lamestream media (as I cleverly like to call it) concluded that he wanted to fire Fauci!! I mean where do they get this stuff?
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5084 on: April 13, 2020, 11:30:15 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-hits-back-at-media-speculation-on-fauci-says-trump-not-firing-him

Trump retweeted a tweet that concluded with the hashtag #firefauci, and somehow the lamestream media (as I cleverly like to call it) concluded that he wanted to fire Fauci!! I mean where do they get this stuff?

I have no idea!  Just because he sent a message about firing someone to their millions of followers doesn't mean he supports firing them.

Don't people understand he just likes tweeting random things and isn't paying attention? Just because he tweets something doesn't mean he means it. Unless he does. But only he knows which is which, right now. Might change his mind later. People need to understand his greatness. The man can say something AND not mean it at the same time!

Until he does.

Stupid media, reporting on what Trump says. Stick to reporting what he means, or wants to mean, or what his supporters think he means. What's their obsession with facts anyway?

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5085 on: April 14, 2020, 04:56:36 AM »
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-hits-back-at-media-speculation-on-fauci-says-trump-not-firing-him

Trump retweeted a tweet that concluded with the hashtag #firefauci, and somehow the lamestream media (as I cleverly like to call it) concluded that he wanted to fire Fauci!! I mean where do they get this stuff?

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"You guys assume he reads tweets before he retweets," the adviser said. "He doesn't."

See?  Total exoneration.  You can't support what you don't read. ;)

Re: Trump
« Reply #5086 on: April 14, 2020, 10:26:06 AM »
The media was given a treat yesterday by Dr. Fauci actually explaining the comments he made over the weekend...of course the media wanted to ask, "Are you under outside pressure to make these clarifications...," to which Dr. Fauci replied, "no."
I didn't say (conversion of) thermal energy wasn't involved at all.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5087 on: April 15, 2020, 03:45:10 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-may-delayed-trump-requires-us-treasury-print-his-name-them-1497916

Trump fans:
Mr Trump wants you to know who is giving you this money (him). And if making sure you know delays the release by a little while, it's okay, right? I mean, as a devotee of Mr Trump's you must see feeding his ego as of paramount importance, because it's transparently what's most important to him. People are struggling right now but let's delay the release of these stimulus checks to get the President's name on them (for the first time in history).

If this doesn't make you sick you must be a moron Trump supporter.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5088 on: April 15, 2020, 03:59:23 AM »
Trump fans: But if Pelosi didn't hold it up for 10 days to add some stupid unemployment benefits in, we'd have had the checks by now with Trump's name on them.

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« Reply #5089 on: April 15, 2020, 04:56:58 AM »
A childish stunt from a pathetic little man.
ur retartet but u donut even no it and i walnut tell u y

Re: Trump
« Reply #5090 on: April 15, 2020, 07:24:15 AM »
https://www.newsweek.com/stimulus-checks-may-delayed-trump-requires-us-treasury-print-his-name-them-1497916

Trump fans:
Mr Trump wants you to know who is giving you this money (him). And if making sure you know delays the release by a little while, it's okay, right? I mean, as a devotee of Mr Trump's you must see feeding his ego as of paramount importance, because it's transparently what's most important to him. People are struggling right now but let's delay the release of these stimulus checks to get the President's name on them (for the first time in history).

If this doesn't make you sick you must be a moron Trump supporter.

And, of course, the money isn't coming from him. I mean, it's not coming out of his personal bank account, is it?
It's coming from tax money (so from "the people") or being borrowed (so from other people) and will be later recouped from tax money.
Genuinely cannot believe this dangerous narcissistic is in the White House.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5091 on: April 15, 2020, 02:29:52 PM »
Trump is willing to delay stimulus cheques going out so that his name can be printed on the cheque.  You seriously can't make this up.
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« Reply #5092 on: April 15, 2020, 05:10:50 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-idUSKCN21X0AL

Of course Trump's xenophobic supporters will love this. Murrica first, screw everybody else!
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« Reply #5093 on: April 15, 2020, 06:18:52 PM »
Why would I be upset that the Treasury can't follow instructions? Trump asked for that weeks ago, directly to the Treasury Secretary.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/908826/report-stimulus-checks-may-delayed-over-order-have-trumps-name-printed

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The plan went into motion a few weeks ago, the officials said, after Trump privately mentioned to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin that he should be allowed to formally sign the checks.

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The Internal Revenue Service's information technology team learned early on Tuesday that President Trump's name must appear on the stimulus checks being sent to millions of Americans, an order that will likely lead to a delay in issuing the first batch of payments

Media: Durp. Trump delaying checks. Durp durp.

These articles are not mistakes, but rather malicious intent.
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« Reply #5094 on: April 15, 2020, 06:49:37 PM »
Why would I be upset that the Treasury can't follow instructions? Trump asked for that weeks ago, directly to the Treasury Secretary.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/908826/report-stimulus-checks-may-delayed-over-order-have-trumps-name-printed

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The plan went into motion a few weeks ago, the officials said, after Trump privately mentioned to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin that he should be allowed to formally sign the checks.

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The Internal Revenue Service's information technology team learned early on Tuesday that President Trump's name must appear on the stimulus checks being sent to millions of Americans, an order that will likely lead to a delay in issuing the first batch of payments

Media: Durp. Trump delaying checks. Durp durp.

These articles are not mistakes, but rather malicious intent.

The "plan went into motion" by Trump demanding that Steven Mnuchin get his name stamped all over the checks.  With a few weeks lead time.

And in those weeks, what did Steven Mnuchin do?  You're assuming he IMMEDIATELY rounded up all the top Treasury heads and said, "Look, we need to get Trumps names on these checks, so lets get the software changed and schedule audits and testing and keep me apprised of every step to make sure there are no delays! I want daily reports and you call me right away if there are any problems!"

Or, he could have just sent a memo to his secretary saying "Add Trumps names to the checks, k?" and not bothered to check how things were going.

The reality is likely somewhere between, but you are assuming that the fault is those terrible Guvment workers.

The true reality is Trump's over-inflated ego demanded that a large check printing system be suddenly modified in a few weeks time, and any delays are entirely 100% his responsibility for demanding that unnecessary change in the first place.

So yes. Trump delaying checks. How could it possibly be anyone elses fault? Maybe Steven Mnuchin for not simply denying the request, like other Treasury Secretaries did in the past, like when Bush wanted the same thing.

But you know what happens when you tell that big baby NO.

The malicious intent here is Trump thinking that forcing a last minute change just to see his name in print with the economy at stake is a good idea.  Trump First, after all.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #5095 on: April 15, 2020, 07:04:35 PM »
Why would I be upset that the Treasury can't follow instructions? Trump asked for that weeks ago, directly to the Treasury Secretary.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/908826/report-stimulus-checks-may-delayed-over-order-have-trumps-name-printed

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The plan went into motion a few weeks ago, the officials said, after Trump privately mentioned to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin that he should be allowed to formally sign the checks.

Yet, from the same article:

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The Internal Revenue Service's information technology team learned early on Tuesday that President Trump's name must appear on the stimulus checks being sent to millions of Americans, an order that will likely lead to a delay in issuing the first batch of payments

Media: Durp. Trump delaying checks. Durp durp.

These articles are not mistakes, but rather malicious intent.

Irrelevant.
The change will cause delays regardless of how fast it's done.  There is no need for the change.  None.  Having Trump's name on the check adds no value to it for any american.  It doesn't make the money worth more. It doesn't show unity.  It doesn't even inspire people.  It is, quite literally, for Trump's vanity.  So he can say "I sent you those checks. Me.  Not America.  Not the senate.  Not other tax payers.  Me."

PS. this is literal socialism.  I am shocked the republicans love it so much.  It is literally taking YOUR money and giving it to someone else.


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« Reply #5096 on: April 15, 2020, 07:29:15 PM »
Why would I be upset that the Treasury can't follow instructions? Trump asked for that weeks ago, directly to the Treasury Secretary.
Lord Dave has covered this pretty well but why wouldn't you be upset that Trump has asked for this change.
What does it say about the man?
It says that everything has to be about him. Everything.

For reasons I can't explain I watched part of his press conference the other day live.
It was incredible. He spent 10 minutes saying how great he'd done and how horrid the press are.
Then he stood by a TV while they played a video they'd cobbled together of a few people saying how great he was while he pointed at it and gave the press knowing looks.
Then he took a few questions from the press and simply berated them when the questions weren't "wouldn't you agree Mr President that you're doing an amazing job?"

He just cannot stand criticism or take responsibility for anything. Well, he'll take responsibility for anything which he thinks went right, anything which didn't he'll throw anyone under the bus or simply deny anything went wrong.

Let's say that Trump did give them plenty of notice about this change. The change still isn't free. Why spend money on something like that at a time like this? Why ask for his name to be printed on the cheques, something which apparently has never been done before.
Why? Because, like everything, he has to make this about himself. "Look at me, I'm giving you this money!"
Except he isn't, is he? It's not coming out of his bank account.

He cares more about himself and his image than he does you or anyone else in the country he's supposed to be leading.
His actions, or lack of action, over the last couple of months means you guys have the most cases in the world. And it's not close, you have over 3 times more than anyone else. Fine you have a large population but still, given his boasts that he had it all under control and it would all disappear it's not great, is it? And your deaths per million is in the top 10 in the world and rising daily.

Trump is certainly not the only one who has made mistakes, when this is all over a lot of governments will have to be held to account including ours in the UK. But I don't know why it doesn't upset you that you have a leader who lies constantly, refuses to admit any failings and who clearly cares far more about himself than any of the people he's supposed to be serving.
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« Reply #5097 on: April 15, 2020, 07:45:55 PM »
I mean it's like I said, anyone supporting Trump now must consider feeding his massive ego top priority over anything else. The ones who do it publicly don't even seem to try to hide it anymore, and you see that attitude in Tom's posts constantly (no surprise since he's essentially a parrot).

I mean the man literally just tried to justify Trump wanting to put his name on the checks. Clearly feeding the Trump ego is all Tom really cares about.
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« Reply #5098 on: April 15, 2020, 08:51:04 PM »
Also Tom's quotes say the plan went into motion weeks ago when Trump informed Mnuchin that he should be allowed to formally sign the checks. That's not what he's doing (because he's not allowed to); his signature is going on the memo line. Who knows how long ago that plan was actually made firm? All we really know is that a few weeks ago Trump said he wanted to do something he's not allowed to do, and the IRS found out the checks needed to be changed yesterday. Whatever the case the fault for the delay clearly lies with the administration (and the President's massive ego, of course).

Possibly partly Mnuchin. But until we know more I don't see how we could know how much.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #5099 on: April 15, 2020, 08:53:48 PM »
Also Tom's quotes say the plan went into motion weeks ago when Trump informed Mnuchin that he should be allowed to formally sign the checks. That's not what he's doing (because he's not allowed to); his signature is going on the memo line. Who knows how long ago that plan was actually made firm? All we really know is that a few weeks ago Trump said he wanted to do something he's not allowed to do, and the IRS found out the checks needed to be changed yesterday. Whatever the case the fault for the delay clearly lies with the administration (and the President's massive ego, of course).

Who is REALLY responsible I wonder? Lets ask the guy in charge.