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Re: Trump
« Reply #480 on: January 31, 2017, 11:24:02 AM »
i fail to see how this policy makes me any safer today than i was yesterday.

The theory is there will be less Jihad in your backyard.  Your 0.1% chance of dying to Islamic terrorism just went down to 0.09%.  Show some gratitude.

That's only in America. Go to Saudi Arabia or the rest of the world for that matter and that percentage goes higher. That's excluding the places where rape and violent crime are going up because of all these refugees.

Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Ok, you need a lesson.

1) A refugee application takes up to 2 years to process, goes through the UN first, AND (here's the big kicker) you CAN NOT CHOOSE THE COUNTRY YOU GO TO!  Seriously, how do you people not read up on this?  What, you think Syrians just fly over to the US and say "I'm a Refugee" and suddenly they get in?  The UN vets you, figures out which country you should go to, then sends a referral to that country who then takes over the vetting process.  US refugees take 2 years which includes interviews and major background checks.

2) ISIL recruits through two main methods: Propoganda and Conscription.  Propoganda is basically "The US is at war with Islam!  They kill your children and bomb your homes.  Fight with us!"  With the election of Trump, they cheered because the facade of peace that Obama put on has been thrown aside and America's true nature revealed as a country and people who wish to destroy Islam.  Just look at Trump's speeches and see for yourself.  When Trump did this ban, they also cheered cause now it's yet more proof, straight from Trump's own hand, that America hates Muslims.

Conscription is usually done by force.  They go into a village with guns and numbers, threaten to kill anyone's family who doesn't fight, and walks away with a bunch of recruits.  So no refugees means more families at risk for death.  Yay for that.

So this is really a win-win for ISIL.  I mean, how many people have they actually managed to sneak into the US?

Hell, why use the refugee program?  Why not just take a boat, go to the East coast where no one lives, and just walk on land?  Easy as fuck.

Re: Trump
« Reply #481 on: January 31, 2017, 05:45:10 PM »
Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Don't be a simpleton. Of course not all Muslims are violent. But some are. Also, I hear that some black people are violent. Mexicans too. I even heard a few hushed rumors of white people being violent! gasp! And Asians... well, read a history book! There's only one solution: deport all humans!

Lord Dave's response was better than I could've put it.

That's not really what Totes said. He specifically said it would motivate "would-be terrorists". That doesn't really include the vast majority of Muslims.

However it does include the infiltrators coming in as refugees.

And exactly how many infiltrators do you think are among those refugees? You seem worried about this. Surely your worries are motivated by some hard data, right?

To get some precise estimates of the number of infiltrators, I recommend looking at past data. Perhaps the number of terrorists that have come over from these countries as refugees so far? Or perhaps American deaths at the hands of refugees from these countries? That should be a solid place to start. Good luck.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #482 on: January 31, 2017, 06:04:02 PM »
"Democrats are delaying my cabinet picks for purely political reasons,'' Trump tweeted. "They have nothing going but to obstruct. Now have an Obama A.G."
I like how he's feeling what Obama felt and unlike Obama, bitches about it in the most blatant way the moment it happens.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #483 on: January 31, 2017, 09:02:15 PM »
I don't think many Obama cabinet picks were delayed.

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« Reply #484 on: January 31, 2017, 09:14:45 PM »
I don't think many Obama cabinet picks were delayed.

Federal judges were, though. I think that is what he is referring to. Plus there were huge amounts of obstruction in general.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #485 on: January 31, 2017, 09:22:12 PM »
I don't think many Obama cabinet picks were delayed.

Federal judges were, though. I think that is what he is referring to. Plus there were huge amounts of obstruction in general.
Yup.  That's what I'm referring to.  The judges and the MASSIVE obstruction.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #486 on: January 31, 2017, 09:37:51 PM »
Ah fair enough.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #487 on: February 01, 2017, 12:44:44 AM »
Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Don't be a simpleton. Of course not all Muslims are violent. But some are. Also, I hear that some black people are violent. Mexicans too. I even heard a few hushed rumors of white people being violent! gasp! And Asians... well, read a history book! There's only one solution: deport all humans!

Lord Dave's response was better than I could've put it.

That's not really what Totes said. He specifically said it would motivate "would-be terrorists". That doesn't really include the vast majority of Muslims.

However it does include the infiltrators coming in as refugees.

And exactly how many infiltrators do you think are among those refugees? You seem worried about this. Surely your worries are motivated by some hard data, right?

To get some precise estimates of the number of infiltrators, I recommend looking at past data. Perhaps the number of terrorists that have come over from these countries as refugees so far? Or perhaps American deaths at the hands of refugees from these countries? That should be a solid place to start. Good luck.

The San Bernardino shooter and OSU shooter were vetted immigrants.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #488 on: February 01, 2017, 01:19:48 AM »
I'm ok with Gorsuch. I hope the Democrats don't try and fillibuster this nominee and save that fight for someone like Ginsburg.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #489 on: February 01, 2017, 03:53:19 AM »
I'm ok with Gorsuch. I hope the Democrats don't try and fillibuster this nominee and save that fight for someone like Ginsburg.

Gorsuch might be the most shocking Trump appointment yet. He's, what's the word, qualified. He has a degree in law and not animal husbandry. He doesn't think the Supreme Court is a hoax by the Chinese. I'd prefer someone less conservative but he doesn't seem like a madman.

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« Reply #490 on: February 01, 2017, 04:04:26 AM »
Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Don't be a simpleton. Of course not all Muslims are violent. But some are. Also, I hear that some black people are violent. Mexicans too. I even heard a few hushed rumors of white people being violent! gasp! And Asians... well, read a history book! There's only one solution: deport all humans!

Lord Dave's response was better than I could've put it.

That's not really what Totes said. He specifically said it would motivate "would-be terrorists". That doesn't really include the vast majority of Muslims.

However it does include the infiltrators coming in as refugees.

And exactly how many infiltrators do you think are among those refugees? You seem worried about this. Surely your worries are motivated by some hard data, right?

To get some precise estimates of the number of infiltrators, I recommend looking at past data. Perhaps the number of terrorists that have come over from these countries as refugees so far? Or perhaps American deaths at the hands of refugees from these countries? That should be a solid place to start. Good luck.

The San Bernardino shooter and OSU shooter were vetted immigrants.

Good job! Now we are getting somewhere. Now, how many total immigrants have there been in the timespan that you are looking at? Also, where specifically did they come from?

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« Reply #491 on: February 01, 2017, 06:08:27 AM »
Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Don't be a simpleton. Of course not all Muslims are violent. But some are. Also, I hear that some black people are violent. Mexicans too. I even heard a few hushed rumors of white people being violent! gasp! And Asians... well, read a history book! There's only one solution: deport all humans!

Lord Dave's response was better than I could've put it.

That's not really what Totes said. He specifically said it would motivate "would-be terrorists". That doesn't really include the vast majority of Muslims.

However it does include the infiltrators coming in as refugees.

And exactly how many infiltrators do you think are among those refugees? You seem worried about this. Surely your worries are motivated by some hard data, right?

To get some precise estimates of the number of infiltrators, I recommend looking at past data. Perhaps the number of terrorists that have come over from these countries as refugees so far? Or perhaps American deaths at the hands of refugees from these countries? That should be a solid place to start. Good luck.

The San Bernardino shooter and OSU shooter were vetted immigrants.


Only two of the three.
One was a us citizen.


And the refugee?  0 fatalities.


The refugee was from Somalia, lives in Pakistan for 7 years, then came to the US, and killed no one.
The San Berdino shooter (wife) was from... Pakistan.
So one refugee failed to kill anyone and one woman married a us citizen and helped kill 14 people.


Somalian Refugees number about 100,000 since 2001 and, funny thing is, all of the attackers appear to have become radicalized after coming here.


The minnesota mall stabbing (0 fatalities) was also a somalian refugee... When he was 2.  Yes, terrorists recruited a 2 year old to infultrate and terrorize America...


Got any more examples to cherry pick?  Cause so far you have yet to show one example of a refugee being a terrorist before entering the US.  (And the San Berdino shooter wasn't even a refugee)

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Re: Trump
« Reply #492 on: February 01, 2017, 05:49:35 PM »
Trump just handed every would-be terrorist a righteous cause to justify striking against the US and drive recruitment. If you think this policy was a good idea and made the US safer, well... you may want to do some deep introspection of your own logic and motivations.

Wait, if these Muslims are that easily offended that if we don't let them in they'll blow us up then what are we doing letting them in? That's like saying "I better let my neighbor Bob live in my house or else he'll murder my entire family." Also I thought not all Muslims are violent.

Don't be a simpleton. Of course not all Muslims are violent. But some are. Also, I hear that some black people are violent. Mexicans too. I even heard a few hushed rumors of white people being violent! gasp! And Asians... well, read a history book! There's only one solution: deport all humans!

Lord Dave's response was better than I could've put it.

That's not really what Totes said. He specifically said it would motivate "would-be terrorists". That doesn't really include the vast majority of Muslims.

However it does include the infiltrators coming in as refugees.

And exactly how many infiltrators do you think are among those refugees? You seem worried about this. Surely your worries are motivated by some hard data, right?

To get some precise estimates of the number of infiltrators, I recommend looking at past data. Perhaps the number of terrorists that have come over from these countries as refugees so far? Or perhaps American deaths at the hands of refugees from these countries? That should be a solid place to start. Good luck.

The San Bernardino shooter and OSU shooter were vetted immigrants.

Good job! Now we are getting somewhere. Now, how many total immigrants have there been in the timespan that you are looking at? Also, where specifically did they come from?

A lot and from all over. The Syrian refugee status is the easiest to fake. That's why President Trump is putting a temporary halt of refugees accepted. Plus more than 70% of these people support sharia law and suicide bombings. Not only that but we can look at places like Germany and see the carnage these people are causing when in large amounts.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #493 on: February 01, 2017, 06:21:53 PM »
Wow...


Ok, how do you fake syrian refugee status?  And to what end?  You still don't pick your country.  You go where the un says.


Also, cite source of that 70% please.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #494 on: February 01, 2017, 07:34:18 PM »
In latest news Trump wants Republicans to stop any democrat ability to filibuster if they can't get his guy into the supreme court.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/01/donald-trump-neil-gorsuch-nuclear-option/97340984/

Seriously, this is what the making of a dictatorship looks like.  Trump has used alot of executive orders, banned people, fired people who disagree with him, gotten close friends and advisers (without the needed qualifications) into high ranking spots (like the security council) and now he's telling Republicans to do whatever it takes to get his nominee in place even if it means removing the Democrat's ability to do anything about it.

If this keeps up, Republicans will be the ONLY party that can do anything at any time.  And they'll make sure to keep it that way.

Re: Trump
« Reply #495 on: February 01, 2017, 07:44:29 PM »
from what little i've read, i don't want the dems to oppose gorsuch.  the socialist sc clerk whose podcast i follow seems to think that it's basically a gift.

if that's the case, then i'd rather the dems barter gorsuch's nomination for something they want.
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Re: Trump
« Reply #496 on: February 01, 2017, 09:42:06 PM »
from what little i've read, i don't want the dems to oppose gorsuch.  the socialist sc clerk whose podcast i follow seems to think that it's basically a gift.

if that's the case, then i'd rather the dems barter gorsuch's nomination for something they want.
Barter how?  The repubs won and they don't give a flying fuck about dems.  Every Democrat could scream no and it wouldn't matter, they'd just change the rules so gorsuch got nominated with only republican votes.

Also:
http://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-02-01/devos-nomination-in-danger-after-collins-murkowski-defect

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Spicer said. "I think that the games being played with Betsy Devos are sad."
This sums up the entire problem right here.  Every time someone opposes Trump's rule, they're playing games or are "sad".  Make no mistake, Maine and Alaska will suffer for their refusal to support God Emperor Trump's decision.

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Re: Trump
« Reply #497 on: February 02, 2017, 12:31:50 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/frederick-douglass-trump/515292/

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Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I notice.

lol

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/trump-mexico-care-bad-hombres-us-45205127

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Hmm.
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« Reply #498 on: February 02, 2017, 06:00:24 AM »
Did Trump just threaten to invade Mexico?
O.o

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