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My post was not about that, the photo was an aside.

Fair enough, but it was the photo that they were responding to. And they had a point.

Which is why I asked them to stop and concentrate on my actual point.

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If you want to continue pushing the other point of your post, you need to first concede the part that you were wrong about. Otherwise, they will just keep focusing on it.

I already admitted that my photo was a failure. Didn't you read my last post?

So no evidence for the claim after all, then?

 I have seen plenty of photos that have stars on the horizon, but it is often 1 or 2. I want to find something that you will have to work harder to come up with a bad rebuttal for. In the meantime, feel free to deal with the other points being discussed.

OK. The Titanic survivors were all liars

You put far too much stock in anecdotal evidence for someone who is trying to sell himself as scientifically-minded.  Do you have any idea how many different and conflicting eyewitness reports there were after the disaster?  People were cold.  They were disoriented.  They were in shock and many (probably most) had just lost loved ones.  But we are supposed to accept the observation of a few that they saw stars on the horizon as ironclad fact, when they couldn't even agree on whether or not the ship broke into separate pieces before it completely sank.   ???

Indeed, eyewitness evidence itself (even without extenuating circumstances such as having just taken part in one of the biggest disasters in maritime history) is notoriously unreliable.  So please, if you can't find some real evidence, stop wasting our time, and stop whining that we refuse to accept something as evidence that it is patently ridiculous that we be expected to accept as such.


Patently ridiculous?  Whining?  This is rhetorical drum-beating and not worth a sod.

Elsewhere, there were photos that were posted by a FEer that we are expected to accept as evidence. If that is the case, the entire catalogue of photos that show the Earth to be round utterly destroys the FE side. 

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My post was not about that, the photo was an aside.

Fair enough, but it was the photo that they were responding to. And they had a point.

Which is why I asked them to stop and concentrate on my actual point.

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If you want to continue pushing the other point of your post, you need to first concede the part that you were wrong about. Otherwise, they will just keep focusing on it.

I already admitted that my photo was a failure. Didn't you read my last post?

So no evidence for the claim after all, then?

 I have seen plenty of photos that have stars on the horizon, but it is often 1 or 2. I want to find something that you will have to work harder to come up with a bad rebuttal for. In the meantime, feel free to deal with the other points being discussed.

OK. The Titanic survivors were all liars

You put far too much stock in anecdotal evidence for someone who is trying to sell himself as scientifically-minded.  Do you have any idea how many different and conflicting eyewitness reports there were after the disaster?  People were cold.  They were disoriented.  They were in shock and many (probably most) had just lost loved ones.  But we are supposed to accept the observation of a few that they saw stars on the horizon as ironclad fact, when they couldn't even agree on whether or not the ship broke into separate pieces before it completely sank.   ???

Indeed, eyewitness evidence itself (even without extenuating circumstances such as having just taken part in one of the biggest disasters in maritime history) is notoriously unreliable.  So please, if you can't find some real evidence, stop wasting our time, and stop whining that we refuse to accept something as evidence that it is patently ridiculous that we be expected to accept as such.


Patently ridiculous?  Whining?  This is rhetorical drum-beating and not worth a sod.

After the topic was basically dropped, why did gecko feel the need to continue whinging on about the fact that we are calling "all Titanic survivors liars" (an act of intellectual dishonesty on his part, btw, since I sincerely doubt that everyone who survived the disaster actually chimed in on whether there were stars directly on the horizon, but given what follows in the same post that's really no surprise)?  The eyewitness testimonies of the Titanic survivors are actually textbook examples of how unreliable eyewitness testimony can be.  Do you really think it's unreasonable of me to call him out on the fact that he gives anecdotal evidence such credence, given that he's supposed to be on the side that reveres actual scientific results and eschews everything else?

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Elsewhere, there were photos that were posted by a FEer that we are expected to accept as evidence. If that is the case, the entire catalogue of photos that show the Earth to be round utterly destroys the FE side.

It does not.  Talk about rhetorical drum-beating.  ::)
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Elsewhere, there were photos that were posted by a FEer that we are expected to accept as evidence. If that is the case, the entire catalogue of photos that show the Earth to be round utterly destroys the FE side.

It does not.  Talk about rhetorical drum-beating.  ::)
I think I get the message:
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by FEers are automatically accepted as firm evidence.
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by Globe supporters are automatically discarded as lies or Photoshopped.

  ;D Yes, I suppose that is a good tactic.  ;D

geckothegeek

Elsewhere, there were photos that were posted by a FEer that we are expected to accept as evidence. If that is the case, the entire catalogue of photos that show the Earth to be round utterly destroys the FE side.

It does not.  Talk about rhetorical drum-beating.  ::)
I think I get the message:
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by FEers are automatically accepted as firm evidence.
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by Globe supporters are automatically discarded as lies or Photoshopped.

  ;D Yes, I suppose that is a good tactic.  ;D

Elementary my dear Watson ! That is the modus operandi on this website.
Anythiing that is real is lies and anything that is imaginary is evidence. LOL.
FE was destroyed long ago but not the FES,
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OK. The Titanic survivors were all liars

You put far too much stock in anecdotal evidence for someone who is trying to sell himself as scientifically-minded.  Do you have any idea how many different and conflicting eyewitness reports there were after the disaster?  People were cold.  They were disoriented.  They were in shock and many (probably most) had just lost loved ones.  But we are supposed to accept the observation of a few that they saw stars on the horizon as ironclad fact, when they couldn't even agree on whether or not the ship broke into separate pieces before it completely sank.   ???

Indeed, eyewitness evidence itself (even without extenuating circumstances such as having just taken part in one of the biggest disasters in maritime history) is notoriously unreliable.  So please, if you can't find some real evidence, stop wasting our time, and stop whining that we refuse to accept something as evidence that it is patently ridiculous that we be expected to accept as such.
The Titanic incident was just one example. For example,  we have been  to Grand Canyon and Big Bend National Parks and you certainly can see more stars there than in the city and they are just as bright as those directly overhead or those on the horizon. Ask any Park Ranger unless you consider them part of The Great Round Earth Conspiracy.
Ask anyone who has ever been to sea.
Ask anyone except a flat earther.LOL.. It's really elementary and the horizon is one of the easiest of flat earth fantasies to de-bunk.

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OK. The Titanic survivors were all liars

You put far too much stock in anecdotal evidence for someone who is trying to sell himself as scientifically-minded.  Do you have any idea how many different and conflicting eyewitness reports there were after the disaster?  People were cold.  They were disoriented.  They were in shock and many (probably most) had just lost loved ones.  But we are supposed to accept the observation of a few that they saw stars on the horizon as ironclad fact, when they couldn't even agree on whether or not the ship broke into separate pieces before it completely sank.   ???

Indeed, eyewitness evidence itself (even without extenuating circumstances such as having just taken part in one of the biggest disasters in maritime history) is notoriously unreliable.  So please, if you can't find some real evidence, stop wasting our time, and stop whining that we refuse to accept something as evidence that it is patently ridiculous that we be expected to accept as such.
The Titanic incident was just one example.

One that it was extremely foolish of you to hitch your pony to. I do hope you at least learned something from your silly little flub.
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Elsewhere, there were photos that were posted by a FEer that we are expected to accept as evidence. If that is the case, the entire catalogue of photos that show the Earth to be round utterly destroys the FE side.

It does not.  Talk about rhetorical drum-beating.  ::)
I think I get the message:
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by FEers are automatically accepted as firm evidence.
  • Eyewitness accounts and photos by Globe supporters are automatically discarded as lies or Photoshopped.

  ;D Yes, I suppose that is a good tactic.  ;D

Elementary my dear Watson ! That is the modus operandi on this website.
Anythiing that is real is lies and anything that is imaginary is evidence. LOL.
FE was destroyed long ago but not the FES,

I agree with both of you ... this forum is  ... "off the planet" !!

Scientific Method be damned... the FE'ers have no idea what it is !!
Because I live on the 'bottom' of a spinning spherical earth ...
*I cannot see Polaris, but I can see the Southern Cross
*When I look at the stars they appear to rotate clockwise, not anti-clockwise
*I see the moon 'upside down'
I've travelled to the Northern Hemisphere numerous times ... and seen how different the stars and the moon are 'up' there!
Come on down and check it out FE believers... !!