[rakkan]

hello guys

i was reading about the flat earth theories for the last 2 days and i must say there are many theories that worked out for me
however i didnt see many people talking about the edge of flat earth, what is there ? how come we never saw it or heared about it ? why dont we have any photos of it ?

can you please give me some informations about it

best regards

[Tom Bishop]

We don't know if there is an edge. Some hold that the earth is an infinite plane.

[rakkan]

i was really expecting much better answer. we have planes now that can fly around the earth in a day and you telling me that we dont know where it ends ! its human nature to explore everything and that was clear through out history. what happen now! did people decide  ' ya i think we explored enough let's stop here ' ?
in addition, i think you have clear map for flat earth but no one really talk about the edge

thanks

[Tom Bishop]

i was really expecting much better answer. we have planes now that can fly around the earth in a day and you telling me that we dont know where it ends ! its human nature to explore everything and that was clear through out history. what happen now!

Pilots also like to stay on known flight routes, where it's warm and and the weather is hospitable.

When far from home in the wilderness how often have you ventured off all hiking trails and paths to explore the wilderness out of curiosity?

[geckothegeek]

We don't know if there is an edge. Some hold that the earth is an infinite plane.

From the wiki.:
"Temperatures are thought to approach absolute zero the further one explores outwards. Exploration in this type of pitch black freezing environment is impossible for any man or machine. We live on a vast plane with an unknown diameter and an unknown depth. Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham held that knowing the true dimensions of the earth is something which will forever be unknowable by man."

[Earthisround]

Why is it that you people use quotes from some guy that lived in the 1800's, as if he's some sort of god to you? It makes no sense why you would use mere speculations from this man instead of experimental proof that we can provide these day to try and prove your theory

[juner]

Why is it that you people use quotes from some guy that lived in the 1800's, as if he's some sort of god to you? It makes no sense why you would use mere speculations from this man instead of experimental proof that we can provide these day to try and prove your theory

Are you saying this ironically? Because I am pretty sure the "Gods" of RET that are constantly parroted were way before Rowbotham's time...

[magic]

Rakkan,
I'm one to assume that there is currently no information to support the composition of the "edge" if any exists.

The following pertains to your response and is meant to address it generally as a reminder of the hurdles that obstruct any progress towards the truth. While I can understand your disappointment, which I believe is a product of our society's bias towards convenience.

This truth that you seek on an internet forum can't be acquired so easily. Finding such an answer, whatever it may be, will require the fortitude and conviction and the appropriate financial backing if you want to come back with an answer.

Now a one way trip is much easier to plan. Afterall, truth is what we make of it. To accommodate the effort in convincing others only compounds the requirements to get the truth in distributable form.

[Earthisround]

Are you saying this ironically? Because I am pretty sure the "Gods" of RET that are constantly parroted were way before Rowbotham's time...

I dont understand what you are trying to say. I was not being ironic. This man had no proof to support his claims, he did it merely out of speculation based on what he saw outside his window, and any experiments he may have conducted had a high chance of using uncalibrated equipment, or tools that were just not accurate because you know.... it was the 1800's. These days we have highly sophisticated equipment and the mathematical proof that can prove the earth is round. I wont dive into that, but I still dont understand what you meant by "the "Gods" of RET that are constantly parroted were way before Rowbotham's time..."

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

Are you saying this ironically? Because I am pretty sure the "Gods" of RET that are constantly parroted were way before Rowbotham's time...

I dont understand what you are trying to say. I was not being ironic. This man had no proof to support his claims, he did it merely out of speculation based on what he saw outside his window, and any experiments he may have conducted had a high chance of using uncalibrated equipment, or tools that were just not accurate because you know.... it was the 1800's. These days we have highly sophisticated equipment and the mathematical proof that can prove the earth is round. I wont dive into that, but I still dont understand what you meant by "the "Gods" of RET that are constantly parroted were way before Rowbotham's time..."

Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Aristotle, Galileo, Copernicus, Newton... shall I go on? These are the people often looked at as "Gods" of RET. That's what Junker was referring to, and as he pointed out, they were around way before the 1800's.

But let me get this straight, you trust in Cavendish experiment, that first measured gravity, correct? Because if you reject that because it happened around the 1800's, then I hate to break it to you, but the whole theory of gravity takes a huge blow. You can't have it both ways, to trust in antiquity and select recent history and reject others.

Or if you'd prefer to, please list all this sophisticated equipment that you keep referencing, like the name of the devices, how they work, their margins of error, the date of their invention. Because I'm getting a little tired of you referencing highly sophisticated equipment of which I'm sure you haven't the slightest idea of a single device off the top of your head.

[Earthisround]

But let me get this straight, you trust in Cavendish experiment, that first measured gravity, correct? Because if you reject that because it happened around the 1800's, then I hate to break it to you, but the whole theory of gravity takes a huge blow. You can't have it both ways, to trust in antiquity and select recent history and reject others.

Ok, first of all, I reject what Rowbotham said simply because he had absolutely no evidence to back his claims, just like there is no evidence that the earth is flat, what they provide is an explanation, because evidence comes from accurate scientific experiments. The only mention of experiments for flat earth here that I saw was the Bishop experiment, which had something to do with water at sea level or something.

Or if you'd prefer to, please list all this sophisticated equipment that you keep referencing, like the name of the devices, how they work, their margins of error, the date of their invention. Because I'm getting a little tired of you referencing highly sophisticated equipment of which I'm sure you haven't the slightest idea of a single device off the top of your head.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Grace/#.Vs4AQpMrL64 GRACE satellite, a piece of equipment deployed by NASA to study climate change and gravity forces around parts of the world, also studying the lack of gravity over hudson bay in Canada as I mentioned in another thread. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/main/index.html The hubble space telescope, active since 1990 and has taken countless pictures of distant objects and a few pictures of earth as well and helped us advance greatly in our study of the cosmos. Voyager 1, a space probe that was launched in 1977 to explore the solar system and reach beyond it with the ultimate goal of making contact with extra terrestrial life someday, and it has recently left the solar system and is now in interstellar space. There you go, if that was what you wanted, although I have no idea why I'm wasting my time naming them because you and every FEer on this thread will just disregard this as a conspiracy of governments and that it is all a hoax, when you have no real evidence to support those claims.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

But let me get this straight, you trust in Cavendish experiment, that first measured gravity, correct? Because if you reject that because it happened around the 1800's, then I hate to break it to you, but the whole theory of gravity takes a huge blow. You can't have it both ways, to trust in antiquity and select recent history and reject others.

Ok, first of all, I reject what Rowbotham said simply because he had absolutely no evidence to back his claims, just like there is no evidence that the earth is flat, what they provide is an explanation, because evidence comes from accurate scientific experiments. The only mention of experiments for flat earth here that I saw was the Bishop experiment, which had something to do with water at sea level or something.

Or if you'd prefer to, please list all this sophisticated equipment that you keep referencing, like the name of the devices, how they work, their margins of error, the date of their invention. Because I'm getting a little tired of you referencing highly sophisticated equipment of which I'm sure you haven't the slightest idea of a single device off the top of your head.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Grace/#.Vs4AQpMrL64 GRACE satellite, a piece of equipment deployed by NASA to study climate change and gravity forces around parts of the world, also studying the lack of gravity over hudson bay in Canada as I mentioned in another thread. https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/main/index.html The hubble space telescope, active since 1990 and has taken countless pictures of distant objects and a few pictures of earth as well and helped us advance greatly in our study of the cosmos. Voyager 1, a space probe that was launched in 1977 to explore the solar system and reach beyond it with the ultimate goal of making contact with extra terrestrial life someday, and it has recently left the solar system and is now in interstellar space. There you go, if that was what you wanted, although I have no idea why I'm wasting my time naming them because you and every FEer on this thread will just disregard this as a conspiracy of governments and that it is all a hoax, when you have no real evidence to support those claims.

Well first off, you don't even know if I'm a flat earther or not. But it's obvious that you have no real evidence or experience to believe that the earth is an oblate spheroid. Only what you hear or read about or see on TV. Quoting NASA as a source when there is thousands upon thousands of other people who have already categorized their discrepancies. The point is, when there's smoke there's fire. "Conspiracy theories" rarely just appear out of thin air, there is usually tons of probable cause and causal evidence to generate the suspicion. By the way, the hubble space telescope isn't a camera... it is, as it's name suggests, a telescope. It doesn't take "photographs" in the traditional sense at all, it's "camera" receives photons of light and it's up to artists at NASA to add in all the colors and special FX lol. So you believe in all the star trek shit you want to, as I said I'd rather deal with reality.

[rabinoz]

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Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Aristotle, Galileo, Copernicus, Newton... shall I go on? These are the people often looked at as "Gods" of RET. That's what Junker was referring to, and as he pointed out, they were around way before the 1800's.

But let me get this straight, you trust in Cavendish experiment, that first measured gravity, correct? Because if you reject that because it happened around the 1800's, then I hate to break it to you, but the whole theory of gravity takes a huge blow. You can't have it both ways, to trust in antiquity and select recent history and reject others.

No, Eratosthenes, Ptolemy, Aristotle, Galileo, Copernicus, Newton are not regarded as "gods", they simply made observations along the way! Parts of these people's observations certainly led to the current model, we do not hang on their every word!
Certainly not all of Newton's conclusions are regarded as sacrosanct! His theories on light, motion and gravitation have all been somewhat amended.

And, no we do not accept or reject findings because their antiquity.
We "trust in Cavendish experiment, that first measured gravity", not because he was a "god" of the globe earth, but because the experiment has been corroborated by being repeated numerous times since 1797–1798 when it was performed up to the present day!

On the other hand so much of the flat earth model is based on Rowbotham's ideas on perspective, magnification in the atmosphere, motions of the sun and moon. Much of this is purely stated without evidence.

So, there is a massive difference in the evidence supporting these earth models.

[Rounder]

When far from home in the wilderness how often have you ventured off all hiking trails and paths to explore the wilderness out of curiosity?

It is beside the point what the individual posting as 'rakkan' has or has not explored, or what you or me or any other individual has or has not explored.  The point is that humankind has always had explorers, and if there is a vast unexplored expanse of ice to the south, it is to be expected that SOMEBODY would be exploring it.  You mention the safety of known routes, and I personally love staying safe as much as the next guy, if not more.  There are people (crazy, crazy people) who see danger and respond "Challenge ACCEPTED" instead of "Aaagh, take me home!!" 

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

When far from home in the wilderness how often have you ventured off all hiking trails and paths to explore the wilderness out of curiosity?

It is beside the point what the individual posting as 'rakkan' has or has not explored, or what you or me or any other individual has or has not explored.  The point is that humankind has always had explorers, and if there is a vast unexplored expanse of ice to the south, it is to be expected that SOMEBODY would be exploring it.  You mention the safety of known routes, and I personally love staying safe as much as the next guy, if not more.  There are people (crazy, crazy people) who see danger and respond "Challenge ACCEPTED" instead of "Aaagh, take me home!!"

Well I guess we'll have to keep waiting for someone to do it then. To get dropped off by boat on the north side of Antarctica, travel exactly south along a longitudinal line, then get picked up again on the north side of Antarctica on the other side of the world.

[Rounder]

For example, Henry Worsley died early this year attempting just such a trip.  Perhaps not a 'win' for the RE camp, since he didn't make it, but at least evidence that the spirit of exploration is still present.

[Rounder]

And before him, Felicity Aston MBE didn't die on her solo crossing in 2012.

[TheTruthIsOnHere]

And before him, Felicity Aston MBE didn't die on her solo crossing in 2012.

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/54b52cf6e4b023c8b413bc81/t/55e818f3e4b051470ecbb3b7/1441274100601/?format=1000w

Are you talking about that crossing? Not at all what I said, look at the path.

[geckothegeek]

hello guys

i was reading about the flat earth theories for the last 2 days and i must say there are many theories that worked out for me
however i didnt see many people talking about the edge of flat earth, what is there ? how come we never saw it or heared about it ? why dont we have any photos of it ?

can you please give me some informations about it

best regards

I don't know why the flat earthers haven't picked up on this. The answers to your question are obvious.

(1) The first is the most obvious. According to flat earthers, the ice ring is the edge of earth. No one has ever seen it because it is guarded by armed guards from NASA to prevent anyone from seeing it-and also to prevent anyone from falling off the edge.
(2) The second is also obvious. Instead of seeing a distinct line where the earth or the sea meet the sky on a round earth, flat earthers say that the horizon is a just an indistinct blur which fades away in the distance because of the "atmoplane" (flat earthese for "atmosphere") so naturally no one can see the edge of the earth.

Suggestion: Don't take anything seriously from any flat earther and you will enjoy this website. Especially if you are a fan of The Three Stooges.

I hope that answered your question.

[geckothegeek]

Why is it that you people use quotes from some guy that lived in the 1800's, as if he's some sort of god to you? It makes no sense why you would use mere speculations from this man instead of experimental proof that we can provide these day to try and prove your theory

Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, who held degrees in both PhD (Doctor of Philosophy) and MD (Doctor of Medicine), is considered the founder and authority on Flat Earth.In addition to his flat earth activities he also invented a medicine that would cure all the ailments or sicknesses known to man. He was also known as "Parallax" or "S. Birley, MD".

The following quotes are copied from the flat earth wiki.:

"Welcome to the Flat Earth Wiki, otherwise known as The FEW - a collaborative resource maintained by the Flat Earth Society!

This website is dedicated to unraveling the true mysteries of the universe and demonstrating that the earth is flat and that Round Earth doctrine is little more than an elaborate hoax.

Much of the experimental evidence for a flat earth is provided by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham, a 19th century lecturer who traveled the isles of Britain giving lectures at many prominent universities of the day. His experimental evidence is very easily reproducible and requires only access to a long body of standing water and a little trig to conclude that water is not convex, that the surface of the earth does not curve as round earth doctrine mathematically predicts. Other experiments require only a stick and a plumb line. Each of the experiments are described in full in the flat earth literature.

Throughout the years it has become a duty of each Flat Earth Society member, to meet the common round earther in the open, avowed, and unyielding rebellion; to declare that his reign of error and confusion is over; and that henceforth, like a falling dynasty, he must shrink and disappear, leaving the throne and the kingdom of science and philosophy to those awakening intellects whose numbers are constantly increasing, and whose march is rapid and irresistible. The soldiers of truth and reason of the Flat Earth Society have drawn the sword, and ere another generation has been educated and grown to maturity, will have forced the usurpers to abdicate. Like the decayed and crumbling trees of an ancient forest, rent and shattered by wind and storm, the hypothetical philosophies, which have hitherto cumbered the civilized world, are unable to resist the elements of experimental and logical criticism; and sooner or later must succumb to their assaults. The axe is uplifted for a final stroke - it is about to fall upon the primitive sphere of the earth, and the blow will surely "cut the cumberer down!""

"Beyond the 150 foot Ice Wall is anyone's guess. How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction "human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice," extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness. Some hold that the tundra of ice and snow stretches forever eternally."