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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 05:54:47 PM »
BTW

I called the library at Avalon on Santa Catalina and they said the consensus was that you could see just the peaks of the mountains on Santa Catalina and certainly not the Casino or the shoreline from the beaches on
The California coast. Telescopes only magnify the mountains. They do not "restore" the shore line or "the sinking ship."

I would say that the flat earthers  are going to say that the people at the Avalon Library are liars, part of The Great Round Earth Conspiracy, have been brainwashed and are trying to cover up the fact that the earth is flat. LOL.

Suggestion to The Flat Earth Society:
Why not just limit this forum and this webisite to only flat earth ideas and delete any references to the globe ?
This would eliminate a lot of space on this website nd allow the flat earthers to debate amongst themselves ?
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2015, 05:16:01 AM »

We do know that these facts are known.
1 The earth is a globe and not a flat disc.
2.The horizon is a distinct line where earth (or sea) meet the sky and not some blur that fades in the distance.
3.We do know that the distance an observer can see is limited by the distance to the horizon  which is limited by the height of the observer.
4.We do know that this distance to the horizon can be easily calculated, knowing the height of the observer : The higher the observer the farther to the horizon.
5.We do know that whole flat earth fantasy is a fallacy after fallacy, has neither proof nor evidence  and has been de-bunked time after time. Period

My service in the US Navy was only 4 years. But if you wish to call all members of the Navy are liars because they know from experience that the earth is a globe and not a flat disc, this is something that would be expected from someone who claims the earth is a flat disc. I doubt that you would change your mind set even if you talked to some expert in the US Navy - or any other Navy in the world and asked them if the earth is not a globe. I doubt you will ever acknowledge reality. But that is one reason this website is a great source of entertainment. Of course everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether they be true or false.

1) False
2) Perspective
3) False
4) False
5) False

The rest of your soapboxing is irrelevant.

1) True
2) True
3) True
4) Possibly True from a majority of the population of the earth. Maybe just popular opinion.
How irrelevant  is "FET"? Really ?????!!!!!!
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2015, 07:29:32 PM »
I could only find one good photograph of Santa Catalina Island taken from the coast of California. This one was apparently taken looking over rooftops and it only shows the tops of the  peaks of Santa Catalina Island-not the entire island down to the shore line - because of the distance and due to the curvature of the earth. If the earth was flat I should see the shore line at Catalina and even the Casino with a telescope or binoculars.
http://www.bcre.com/images/catalina_island_views_720.jpg
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2015, 02:13:35 PM »
Your homework on Catalina island is superficial, as usual.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/80651083@N00/3337159627



(taken from Newport Beach)



(taken right on the beach of California, zero curvature to Catalina island)

Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2015, 02:56:27 PM »
Here are more stunning photographs showing zero curvature all the way to Catalina island:



(taken from Palos Verdes)



(taken from Laguna Beach)


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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2015, 06:58:30 PM »
Thanks sandokhan .

The point was simply that if the earth was flat you should be able to see the beach and the  Casino at Santa Catalina Island from the beach on the shore on the California mainland coast. But you can not due to the curvature of the earth. You can see top of the island but not down to the shore line nor the Casino. If the earth was flat, these should show in photos made with a camera with a telescopic lens. But there are none.Perhaps if you could find a high enough vantage point you might be able to see them.

Once again, this was verified by natives of Santa Catalina Island.

If you were on the tops of those mountains on Santa Catalina Island you should be able to see those houses and the shore of the California coast with a telescope or binoculars but mostly likely not from sea level on the beach or from the Casino.
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2015, 07:41:19 PM »
It doesn't work like that.

Not with me.

Curvature and visual obstacle formulas:

http://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=3197.msg77197#msg77197

Distance Catalina - San Pedro 40 km (http://www.distancefromto.net/between/San+Pedro/Santa+Catalina+Island )

Of course, the distance between Catalina and Newport Beach is even greater...

Curvature for 40 km = 31.3 meters

Visual obstacle (photograph taken right on the beach, h = 3 meters) = 90 meters

No such visual obstacle is even remotely seen in the photograph.


Moreover, in the image shot in Palos Verdes, there is no ascending slope, no midpoint curvature of 31.3 meters, no descending slope, just a perfectly even surface of the ocean all the way to Catalina:




With a telescope certainly all the details could be seen...


Until such a photograph will be displayed on the net... we have the following image:



San Pedro seen from Catalina: zero curvature, no ascending slope, no 31.3 meter midpoint visual obstacle
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2015, 02:16:09 AM »
Of course it doesn't work for you since you are one of those playing the old "deny all the reality that the earth is a globe" game. LOL. Hope you are having fun.

I am sure there must be some "flat earthers" living in Southern California.

Here is a project for you.
Go to some beach on the shore facing Santa Catalina Island.
25 miles distance is not a problem with most telescopic lenses.
With your camera at eye level take a picture.
Take a photograph looking across the ocean showing the Casino, shore and harbor.
If the earth was flat you should be able to do this.

The people at Avalon and on the coast say you can't do this. Now is the chance for The Flat Earth Society to prove them wrong, prove the earth is flat, prove the earth is not a globe, and prove that there is no curvature of the earth. This has to be at eye level.
No fair going any higher !

This should also prove that the horizon is an indistinct  blur which fades away in the distance. There should be no distinct line where the sea and sky meet.

Now's your chance, flat earthers  !


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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2015, 10:58:45 AM »
We do know that these facts are known.
1 The earth is a globe and not a flat disc.
2.The horizon is a distinct line where earth (or sea) meet the sky and not some blur that fades in the distance.
3.We do know that the distance an observer can see is limited by the distance to the horizon  which is limited by the height of the observer.
4.We do know that this distance to the horizon can be easily calculated, knowing the height of the observer : The higher the observer the farther to the horizon.
5.We do know that whole flat earth fantasy is a fallacy after fallacy, has neither proof nor evidence  and has been de-bunked time after time. Period

My service in the US Navy was only 4 years. But if you wish to call all members of the Navy are liars because they know from experience that the earth is a globe and not a flat disc, this is something that would be expected from someone who claims the earth is a flat disc. I doubt that you would change your mind set even if you talked to some expert in the US Navy - or any other Navy in the world and asked them if the earth is not a globe. I doubt you will ever acknowledge reality. But that is one reason this website is a great source of entertainment. Of course everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether they be true or false.

1 The earth is a globe not a flat disk!!!! If this is the case why are all pictures of the globe composit not real pictures, Why do Space trips to the space station never do a full panoramic view of space and pan the entire planet. Why do we not see 25000 satalites twinkling in the sun like day stars.
2 Why can no one do a experiment to show how water on a globe stays there and can move in all direction in rivers if the earth is spinning at over 1000 miles per hour.
3 Why is it that on south experdisions ships find they can be over 20 miles out on navigation every day when following the shore line of Antartica.
4 Ships when traveling go from point to point ploting there course on a flat earth it makes more sence and we know there are no short cuts boats and planes all navigate the same paths on a flat earth map the paths are close to a streght line on the globe model it looks like your going way out of your way.
5 The flat earth map has been around 1000s of years Gallalayos Map 500 years and was drafted before flight of full navigation.It just looked nice stretching the map onto the globe and made a nice drinks despencer.
6 I live in the southern Hemisphire the sun in summer East Coast Australia we get about 12 hours of day light and then the sun sets in the western Coast some 3 hours later so that's 15 hours we see it around Australia this would mean the Northen Hemesphire only get 9 hours so the sun loiters over our part some 3500 miles of the earth in 15 hours and whizzes over the rest in 9 hours how does this work on a globe?
7 Sadly some have been brainwashed and programed from birth told from early learing this is a globe this is were you like look at this ball say planet say globe say we live here. Do not question it just belive it.




Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2017, 08:41:39 AM »
I live in Torrance Ca. Just 11 miles from catalina express. I am new to the flat earth idea. I will soon be taking the trip to see for myself what i can and cannot see with a telescope from shore to shore. I will provide many photos of what i see.

If no casino, or actual shoreline can be seen through the telescope then that proves the curvature of the earth, does it not? Will the evidence actually be considered, or will the FE's simply dismiss them?

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« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2017, 03:06:50 PM »
We do know that these facts are known.
1 The earth is a globe and not a flat disc.
2.The horizon is a distinct line where earth (or sea) meet the sky and not some blur that fades in the distance.
3.We do know that the distance an observer can see is limited by the distance to the horizon  which is limited by the height of the observer.
4.We do know that this distance to the horizon can be easily calculated, knowing the height of the observer : The higher the observer the farther to the horizon.
5.We do know that whole flat earth fantasy is a fallacy after fallacy, has neither proof nor evidence  and has been de-bunked time after time. Period

My service in the US Navy was only 4 years. But if you wish to call all members of the Navy are liars because they know from experience that the earth is a globe and not a flat disc, this is something that would be expected from someone who claims the earth is a flat disc. I doubt that you would change your mind set even if you talked to some expert in the US Navy - or any other Navy in the world and asked them if the earth is not a globe. I doubt you will ever acknowledge reality. But that is one reason this website is a great source of entertainment. Of course everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether they be true or false.

1 The earth is a globe not a flat disk!!!! If this is the case why are all pictures of the globe composit not real pictures, Why do Space trips to the space station never do a full panoramic view of space and pan the entire planet. Why do we not see 25000 satalites twinkling in the sun like day stars.
2 Why can no one do a experiment to show how water on a globe stays there and can move in all direction in rivers if the earth is spinning at over 1000 miles per hour.
3 Why is it that on south experdisions ships find they can be over 20 miles out on navigation every day when following the shore line of Antartica.
4 Ships when traveling go from point to point ploting there course on a flat earth it makes more sence and we know there are no short cuts boats and planes all navigate the same paths on a flat earth map the paths are close to a streght line on the globe model it looks like your going way out of your way.
5 The flat earth map has been around 1000s of years Gallalayos Map 500 years and was drafted before flight of full navigation.It just looked nice stretching the map onto the globe and made a nice drinks despencer.
6 I live in the southern Hemisphire the sun in summer East Coast Australia we get about 12 hours of day light and then the sun sets in the western Coast some 3 hours later so that's 15 hours we see it around Australia this would mean the Northen Hemesphire only get 9 hours so the sun loiters over our part some 3500 miles of the earth in 15 hours and whizzes over the rest in 9 hours how does this work on a globe?
7 Sadly some have been brainwashed and programed from birth told from early learing this is a globe this is were you like look at this ball say planet say globe say we live here. Do not question it just belive it.

I was in the Navy only four years, too.
Here is another item regarding the distance to the horizon. Both the crow's nest and the antenna for the surface search radar are on the highest masts on the ships so they can "see" the farthest to the horizon.Flat earthers will probably do some nit-picking about radars that can "see" over the horizon, but this radar was designed to "see" ships and other objects on the surface of the sea and the maximum range was limited by the distance you could "see" to the horizon. If the earth was flat, these would not need to be placed so high. Air search radars are designed differently. They aim higher and can see higher and farther. Each radar is designed for a specific purpose.
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2017, 03:42:49 PM »
I live in Torrance Ca. Just 11 miles from catalina express. I am new to the flat earth idea. I will soon be taking the trip to see for myself what i can and cannot see with a telescope from shore to shore. I will provide many photos of what i see.

If no casino, or actual shoreline can be seen through the telescope then that proves the curvature of the earth, does it not? Will the evidence actually be considered, or will the FE's simply dismiss them?

I am looking forward to the results.
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2017, 03:52:02 PM »
We do know that these facts are known.
1 The earth is a globe and not a flat disc.
2.The horizon is a distinct line where earth (or sea) meet the sky and not some blur that fades in the distance.
3.We do know that the distance an observer can see is limited by the distance to the horizon  which is limited by the height of the observer.
4.We do know that this distance to the horizon can be easily calculated, knowing the height of the observer : The higher the observer the farther to the horizon.
5.We do know that whole flat earth fantasy is a fallacy after fallacy, has neither proof nor evidence  and has been de-bunked time after time. Period

My service in the US Navy was only 4 years. But if you wish to call all members of the Navy are liars because they know from experience that the earth is a globe and not a flat disc, this is something that would be expected from someone who claims the earth is a flat disc. I doubt that you would change your mind set even if you talked to some expert in the US Navy - or any other Navy in the world and asked them if the earth is not a globe. I doubt you will ever acknowledge reality. But that is one reason this website is a great source of entertainment. Of course everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, whether they be true or false.

1 The earth is a globe not a flat disk!!!! If this is the case why are all pictures of the globe composit not real pictures, Why do Space trips to the space station never do a full panoramic view of space and pan the entire planet. Why do we not see 25000 satalites twinkling in the sun like day stars.
2 Why can no one do a experiment to show how water on a globe stays there and can move in all direction in rivers if the earth is spinning at over 1000 miles per hour.
3 Why is it that on south experdisions ships find they can be over 20 miles out on navigation every day when following the shore line of Antartica.
4 Ships when traveling go from point to point ploting there course on a flat earth it makes more sence and we know there are no short cuts boats and planes all navigate the same paths on a flat earth map the paths are close to a streght line on the globe model it looks like your going way out of your way.
5 The flat earth map has been around 1000s of years Gallalayos Map 500 years and was drafted before flight of full navigation.It just looked nice stretching the map onto the globe and made a nice drinks despencer.
6 I live in the southern Hemisphire the sun in summer East Coast Australia we get about 12 hours of day light and then the sun sets in the western Coast some 3 hours later so that's 15 hours we see it around Australia this would mean the Northen Hemesphire only get 9 hours so the sun loiters over our part some 3500 miles of the earth in 15 hours and whizzes over the rest in 9 hours how does this work on a globe?
7 Sadly some have been brainwashed and programed from birth told from early learing this is a globe this is were you like look at this ball say planet say globe say we live here. Do not question it just belive it.

Simon -
Did you ever meet any flat earth beliefers when you were in the Navy ?
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Re: Why can't you see Great Britain from New York on a flat earth
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2017, 05:30:43 PM »

Snip nonsense
4 Ships when traveling go from point to point ploting there course on a flat earth it makes more sence and we know there are no short cuts boats and planes all navigate the same paths on a flat earth map the paths are close to a streght line on the globe model it looks like your going way out of your way.


Maybe you should study up on what the term "Great Circle Navigation" means.

Start here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great-circle_navigation

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