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« Reply #260 on: October 16, 2024, 09:49:22 AM »
https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-fox-news-interview-41d02466eddf3be38126008470335803

Apparently Trump didn't like that.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/15/trump-fox-news-harris-interview

Trump accuses Fox of being soft on Democrats and giving them more time than him. So apparently Fox is now left. 
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« Reply #261 on: October 16, 2024, 12:41:33 PM »
Daytime Fox has always been left-wing. Fox has an equal number of advocates on the left and right, which is what they interpret as being "fair and balanced".

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« Reply #262 on: October 18, 2024, 12:41:50 AM »
genuine question(s) for trump voters -- why do you want to vote for trump? what is the thing about him that you believe will benefit you and/or the nation? or, if you like: why should i vote for trump, too?

these are not meant to be sarcastic questions at all, and i'm not gonna argue with your answers. just curious.

I like Trump because he is going to use his authority to jail his opponents.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4931778-donald-trump-national-guard-military-enemy-from-within/

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Former President Trump in a Sunday interview suggested using the National Guard or the military on Election Day to combat what he described as potential chaos from “the enemy from within” — a group Trump said includes “radical left lunatics.”

In the interview on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures,” Trump dismissed President Biden’s concerns that Election Day wouldn’t be peaceful and said, when asked, that he thinks “the bigger problem is the enemy from within, not even the people that have come in and destroyed our country.”

“I think the bigger problem are the people from within,” Trump said. “We have some very bad people. We have some sick people, radical left lunatics.”

“And I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard or, if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he added.

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'So evil' and 'dangerous': Trump doubles down on calling Democrats 'enemies from within' ... Trump doubled down on those comments during his Tuesday night town hall, also calling Democrats “evil” and “dangerous.”

“They’re Marxists and communists and fascists, and they’re sick,” Trump added. “We have China, we have Russia, we have all these countries. If you have a smart president, they can all be handled. The more difficult are, you know, the Pelosis, these people, they’re so sick and they’re so evil,” Trump said.
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« Reply #263 on: October 18, 2024, 12:51:47 PM »
Harris has lost the average lead in every swing state. Each individual poll is still within the margin of error, so these numbers must still be taken with a grain of salt.

I have to wonder, though, how is this even possible? What has she been saying on the campaign trail to cause this?

Poll update:

National: Harris +1.6 -- This Day In History: October 18, 2020: Biden +8.9 | October 18, 2016: Clinton +7.1
Arizona: Trump +1.4
Nevada: Trump +0.5
Wisconsin: Trump +0.1
Michigan: Trump +0.9
Pennsylvania: Trump +0.5
North Carolina: Trump +1.0
Georgia: Trump +0.9

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« Reply #264 on: October 18, 2024, 06:01:53 PM »
I'm sure it really is just Trump clawing back the support he might have lost through Kamala's first surge of popularity and their debate. There's nothing that Kamala has said or done lately that could reasonably be assumed to have cost her any significant support. No prominent gaffes or missteps, no outrageous or especially controversial remarks. It feels ridiculous even talking about whether or not Kamala has made any conventional gaffes when Trump's rhetoric and behavior are becoming increasingly more psychotic, threatening, and senile, but the fact is that she really hasn't made any.
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« Reply #265 on: October 18, 2024, 06:09:28 PM »
could it be that people don't like her policy?
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« Reply #266 on: October 18, 2024, 06:33:25 PM »
Harris has lost the average lead in every swing state. Each individual poll is still within the margin of error, so these numbers must still be taken with a grain of salt.

I have to wonder, though, how is this even possible? What has she been saying on the campaign trail to cause this?

People continue to remember when food and gas were much less expensive.
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« Reply #267 on: October 18, 2024, 08:45:24 PM »
Harris has lost the average lead in every swing state. Each individual poll is still within the margin of error, so these numbers must still be taken with a grain of salt.

I have to wonder, though, how is this even possible? What has she been saying on the campaign trail to cause this?

People continue to remember when food and gas were much less expensive.
Yes, because we live in a communist state where the president controls food and gas prices directly.  Not only that but its SOOOOO much cheaper everywhere else.
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« Reply #268 on: October 19, 2024, 12:12:47 AM »
Yes, because we live in a communist state where the president controls food and gas prices directly.  Not only that but its SOOOOO much cheaper everywhere else.

Which party was in control of monetary policy when the record inflation occurred?

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« Reply #269 on: October 19, 2024, 03:14:54 AM »
could it be that people don't like her policy?

If that were the case, then I'd question why the Democratic ticket even had a surge in popularity at all when Kamala replaced Biden. Policy doesn't win presidential elections in this country. If it did, then this election wouldn't be as close as it is. Tighter gun control is consistently popular among Americans. So is support for LGBT rights, greater taxation of the wealthy, and abortion rights, all positions that Republicans firmly oppose and have indicated they're going to be pushing even further in the opposite direction once they have the power to do so. The last point, abortion, is especially galling when you remember that Trump is responsible for the extremely unpopular Dobbs decision that overturned Roe in a very direct, straightforward way. Trump put three people on the SC, all of whom joined the majority on Dobbs and made up half of it. It is because Trump was elected and put his nominees on the SC that Roe was overturned. Trump is responsible. That's not my opinion; it's what objectively happened. So Americans don't want what Republicans are offering - and yet they keep voting for them anyway.
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« Reply #270 on: October 19, 2024, 06:56:52 AM »
could it be that people don't like her policy?

If that were the case, then I'd question why the Democratic ticket even had a surge in popularity at all when Kamala replaced Biden. Policy doesn't win presidential elections in this country. If it did, then this election wouldn't be as close as it is. Tighter gun control is consistently popular among Americans. So is support for LGBT rights, greater taxation of the wealthy, and abortion rights, all positions that Republicans firmly oppose and have indicated they're going to be pushing even further in the opposite direction once they have the power to do so. The last point, abortion, is especially galling when you remember that Trump is responsible for the extremely unpopular Dobbs decision that overturned Roe in a very direct, straightforward way. Trump put three people on the SC, all of whom joined the majority on Dobbs and made up half of it. It is because Trump was elected and put his nominees on the SC that Roe was overturned. Trump is responsible. That's not my opinion; it's what objectively happened. So Americans don't want what Republicans are offering - and yet they keep voting for them anyway.
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« Reply #271 on: October 19, 2024, 10:54:31 AM »
Yes, because we live in a communist state where the president controls food and gas prices directly.  Not only that but its SOOOOO much cheaper everywhere else.

Which party was in control of monetary policy when the record inflation occurred?

Democrats.  1980
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« Reply #272 on: October 21, 2024, 12:06:48 AM »
Tighter gun control is consistently popular among Americans.

Which Americans and what gun control? I find that while "gun control" is often positively polled, the numbers change drastically when you word precisely what is intended by "gun control". Take these gallup polls for example:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

Should gun policy be more strict? Most Americans answer yes. Then, when asked if they want to ban assault rifles, assault weapons or handguns, the majority say no. In the case of handguns, a whopping +46% say no. Harris supports an assault weapon ban, which automatically puts her on the wrong side of the gun policy polls. Unsurprisingly, this has cost her support.

So is support for LGBT rights

What sort of rights do Democrats protect? What rights do Republicans plan to remove? As far as I understand it, the only strong difference these days is on the T. The majority of people in this Gallup poll answered that changing one's gender is "wrong".

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

Now, I'm not going to comment on whether it's wrong. What I am noting here is that the majority of people don't like the T in LGBT. Again, this is costing Harris support.

greater taxation of the wealthy

This is correct in a strict sense of "most people support this". However, Gallup notes the following:

"Negligible numbers of Americans mention income or wealth inequality as the most important problem facing the nation. Pew Research noted in reviewing a 2019 poll that few Americans see reducing economic inequality "as a top priority for the federal government to address." And Gallup research conducted in 2018 found the distribution of income and wealth dead last on a list of priorities for the president and Congress."

So, in effect, while people do agree with Democrats on this particular point, they don't care enough to change their vote over other positions.
https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/396737/average-american-remains-higher-taxes-rich.aspx

abortion rights

This depends entirely on what you mean by "abortion rights". Do the majority of Americans support some form of abortion? The answer is yes. Do the majority of Americans support the Democrat party's particular flavor of abortion? No.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

Over a third of Americans want abortion to be illegal entirely. The vast majority of Americans believe abortion should be possible only under "certain circumstances". More specifically, the vast majority of Americans think abortion past the first trimester should be illegal. Right off the bat, the Democrats have to fight over only 70% of voters who want some form of pro-choice. Only 22% of those voters want abortion to be legal under all circumstances. It could very well be that the "pro-choice" voters interested in mild abortion access end up voting for Republicans because they consider no abortion access to be better than a free-for-all.

all positions that Republicans firmly oppose and have indicated they're going to be pushing even further in the opposite direction once they have the power to do so. The last point, abortion, is especially galling when you remember that Trump is responsible for the extremely unpopular Dobbs decision that overturned Roe in a very direct, straightforward way. Trump put three people on the SC, all of whom joined the majority on Dobbs and made up half of it. It is because Trump was elected and put his nominees on the SC that Roe was overturned. Trump is responsible. That's not my opinion; it's what objectively happened. So Americans don't want what Republicans are offering - and yet they keep voting for them anyway.

I think if you took some time to look at the numbers around these positions, you would see that this meme of "people are voting against their own interests" and "people don't vote on policy" simply isn't true. Harris is choosing unpopular policies and losing support for doing so. It's not rocket science.
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« Reply #273 on: October 21, 2024, 09:29:41 AM »
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5137633/user-clip-employee-ties-trumps-apron-him

Trump works 15 minutes at a McDonalds for a publicity stunt.  Doesn't even tie his own apron.  Granted the lady asked if she could do it for him but it kinda shows alot how he wasn't willing to do it himself, just let someone else do it.

It does take practice, of course, which Trump has none of. 
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« Reply #274 on: October 21, 2024, 11:51:13 AM »
Which was, predictably, staged.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1g88apd/comment/lsy6upc/

Couldn't risk a sudden drive by shooting or someone tell him off at the drive thru.  His ego is tok fragile for that.
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« Reply #275 on: October 21, 2024, 12:57:08 PM »
Oh no, a campaign event? Staged? In my country? Say it isn't so! I can't believe anyone would vote for a candidate that stages campaign meetings!

Instead of staging things, candidates should just show up randomly to private businesses, with a whole secret service contingent and camera crew in tow. Cause a real ruckus and ruin their entire business day. That's the American spirit I want in my candidates. Not this staged nonsense.

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« Reply #276 on: October 21, 2024, 01:11:42 PM »
Oh no, a campaign event? Staged? In my country? Say it isn't so! I can't believe anyone would vote for a candidate that stages campaign meetings!

Instead of staging things, candidates should just show up randomly to private businesses, with a whole secret service contingent and camera crew in tow. Cause a real ruckus and ruin their entire business day. That's the American spirit I want in my candidates. Not this staged nonsense.

It's the optics.

"I'm gonna show that I can work a normal, poor class job by acting like I am."
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« Reply #277 on: October 21, 2024, 01:28:16 PM »
It's the optics.

"I'm gonna show that I can work a normal, poor class job by acting like I am."

Now you're telling me a presidential candidate is merely pretending to care about the working class? My god. This is unprecedented stuff. I can't believe how far America has fallen. We need to go back to the good ol' days where presidents were hard-working down-to-earth folks. I'm glad we have a candidate just like that in the race today and... oh no... we don't? Damn.

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« Reply #278 on: October 21, 2024, 03:54:29 PM »
It's the optics.

"I'm gonna show that I can work a normal, poor class job by acting like I am."

Now you're telling me a presidential candidate is merely pretending to care about the working class? My god. This is unprecedented stuff. I can't believe how far America has fallen. We need to go back to the good ol' days where presidents were hard-working down-to-earth folks. I'm glad we have a candidate just like that in the race today and... oh no... we don't? Damn.
It's more the insult, I think. 
I worked at McDonalds.  I know what it's like. Then this guy comes in, plays pretend, all so he can seem like 'one of the low income guys' while insulting everyone who ever stood over a fryer in a McDonalds.  Then, following it up with no policy on helping these low income people you're trying to court.  Not even a token 'I'll make the minimum wage higher!"

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« Reply #279 on: October 21, 2024, 04:12:15 PM »
It's more the insult, I think. 
I worked at McDonalds.  I know what it's like. Then this guy comes in, plays pretend, all so he can seem like 'one of the low income guys' while insulting everyone who ever stood over a fryer in a McDonalds.  Then, following it up with no policy on helping these low income people you're trying to court.  Not even a token 'I'll make the minimum wage higher!"

You're right. I can't imagine what kind of horrible candidate would keep talking about working at McDonald's and it turns out they really didn't. I'm glad there's only one candidate doing that. Otherwise, if, say, both of them did it, I would expect you to be upset about both candidates doing that. Haha, but that's not the case here, right?