[Action80]

Warmer than who previously thought?  The Wiki? 

Sun's been shining since September and, judging by their dress and demeanour, there's little wind-chill at the mo.

No gloves...no facial coverings... at least a -24 F wind chill according to their own website.

I don't think so.

I want to see their permits and a complete log of everything they filed in order to make the trip.

You cannot travel south of the 60th without a permit.

[AATW]

Antarctica is warmer than previously thought, uh?

I'm not sure what you mean or what you're getting at. Antarctica is a continent. It's larger than the US. There's a range of climates, obviously it's colder in some places than in others.

https://www.bas.ac.uk/about/antarctica/geography/weather/temperatures/

Around the coasts of Antarctica, temperatures are generally close to freezing in the summer (December-February) months, or even slightly positive in the northern part of the Antarctic Peninsula.
During winter, monthly mean temperatures at coastal stations are between -10°C and -30°C but temperatures may briefly rise towards freezing when winter storms bring warm air towards the Antarctic coast.
Conditions on the high interior plateau are much colder as a result of its higher elevation, higher latitude and greater distance from the ocean. Here, summer temperatures struggle to get above -20°C and monthly means fall below -60°C in winter.

[AATW]

You cannot travel south of the 60th without a permit.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/visits-to-antarctica-how-to-apply-for-a-permit

It is also unlikely that you will need a permit if you are a passenger on an organised visit to Antarctica, as your tour operator would usually arrange this. However you should confirm this with them before travelling. Contact the Polar Regions Department if you are unsure.

I'm not sure what your point is here. You can't travel to India without a visa, you need to apply for one. Travel to many countries involves some form of visa or other document.

[AATW]

Dave McKeegan's timelapse of the 24 hour sun.

[DuncanDoenitz]

You cannot travel south of the 60th without a permit.

Why?  South of 60deg includes ocean.  Need a permit for the ocean; from whom?  And it's an organised trip, check their website. 

Weather.  Look at the video; what makes you think there's a windchill?  Specifically look at the video around 5.54, see the idle blades on the drone hanging loose, not flying out at 90 degrees.  I think you live in the northern States, you know very well that there are calm sunny days when you can stand around in casual clothing in sub-zero temperature. 

And why didn't they just suit-up if that would support the intended illusion?  They could have done the whole mime-walking-into-wind thing for additional effect. 

[Action80]

My point is you cannot travel south of the 60th if you do not have a permit. If their trip was facilitated by an organization having the permits, that is one thing.

The video shows the speaker without gloves in a sub-zero environment and another participant with no hat.

A time-lapse? Really? Got a chance to put the whole thing to bed, and two people couldn't stay up to do the whole 24-hour thing live?

Gimme a break.

[Action80]

You cannot travel south of the 60th without a permit.

Why?  South of 60deg includes ocean.  Need a permit for the ocean; from whom?  And it's an organised trip, check their website. 

Weather.  Look at the video; what makes you think there's a windchill?  Specifically look at the video around 5.54, see the idle blades on the drone hanging loose, not flying out at 90 degrees.  I think you live in the northern States, you know very well that there are calm sunny days when you can stand around in casual clothing in sub-zero temperature. 

And why didn't they just suit-up if that would support the intended illusion?  They could have done the whole mime-walking-into-wind thing for additional effect.

Take the wind chill thing up with their own website and the NWS windchill calculator.

[AATW]

A time-lapse? Really? Got a chance to put the whole thing to bed, and two people couldn't stay up to do the whole 24-hour thing live?

Why would a real time video be more compelling? And why do you find a timelapse suspicious?

[Action80]

New Year's Eve celebrations are more noteworthy if you actually witness the entire thing, instead of retiring at 23:59:59, amirite?

[AATW]

New Year's Eve celebrations are more noteworthy if you actually witness the entire thing, instead of retiring at 23:59:59, amirite?

What a weird comparison. In your scenario you are missing the main celebration at midnight. Nothing is being missed here.
This is an event which, by definition, takes place over 24 hours. A timelapse is a good and obvious way to show that just as slow-mo is a good way to show events which happen too quickly to be easily discerned. I'm not clear what your issue is here.

[DuncanDoenitz]

Take the wind chill thing up with their own website and the NWS windchill calculator.

Can't comment on the weather when they did the video, but METAR currently (17 Dec, 16.30 UTC) for the Union Glacier runway (ICAO code SCGC) is temperature -8C and wind of 5 knots.  That gives a wind-chill of -13C (that's got to be in the plus-fahrenheits); comfortably in the NWS chart for at least 30 minutes exposure before risking frostbite.  But you do the math. 

I certainly don't see a problem with removing gloves and facewear in order to operate equipment and narrate a 15-minute video in those conditions.

[RonJ]

The discussions here seem typical for this site.  The most significant subject, the 24-hour visible sun in Antartica, seems secondary to the discussion about the perceived temperatures and winds at the site.  Perhaps the underlying intent is to start a rumor that the whole event was being staged somewhere else and not in Antartica?  In that case the flat earth believers also at the site would have to be taking part.  There were some other misconceptions being tossed around as well.  No, you don't have to have a permit to be South of 60 degrees South Latitude if you are on a ship.  You could easily be in international waters, and you don't need a specific permit for that.  But yes, you will have to have some kind of a permit if you wish to go ashore in Antartica.  Why not wait for the reports to come back from the experiment's participants to see what they have to say?  Maybe there was insufficient controls placed on the experiment?  Perhaps there is a video showing continuous second to second coverage of the entire 24-hour period where the sun was above the horizon, but who would really spend all that time watching it second by second, and what would be the advantage of that over a much shorter time lapse video?  Will the flat earth participants verify the validity of the videos after they return, or will they have some other problems or questions?  I think those would be more relevant subjects for discussions.   

[Action80]

Bottom line is this.

The video proves nothing regarding the shape of the earth.

[AATW]

Bottom line is this.

The video proves nothing regarding the shape of the earth.

Can you explain how the 24 hour sun shown in that video would work on a flat earth?

[Action80]

Bottom line is this.

The video proves nothing regarding the shape of the earth.

Can you explain how the 24 hour sun shown in that video would work on a flat earth?

I believe it has something to do with a dimensional dome and reflectivity.

[Pete Svarrior]

apparently no-one has been scammed.

What makes you think that? As far as I can tell, the opposite happened - known FE grifters teamed up with known RE grifters to get a free holiday and steal a lot of money from fans - all in the name of an "experiment" that FE and RE agreed would produce a consistent outcome long in advance - and you knew this, since you read this thread before posting in it.

So, given that your statement contradicts your own knowledge, one must ask: are you just dim, or are you sinisterly dishonest? "Both" is an option, of course.

Can you explain how the 24 hour sun shown in that video would work on a flat earth?

I don't know if A69 can, but I do  know you can - you've been here for these conversations, and your memory isn't THAT bad yet. In a critical failure scenario, you could have just scrolled up, which you inevitably would do... so, what gives?

[DuncanDoenitz]

Pete's intervention has merit and, if it is a scam, I take my aluminum hat off to them for enterprise. 

On that basis, I'm temporarily suspending the eat-the-hat thing.  It's currently marinading in a red-wine reduction pending further debate and a concensus. 

[Pete Svarrior]

Also, while we're creaming our figurative pantaloons over an "experiment" whose outcome no one ever disagreed about, it's a good time to review the analysis of the scammers' finances. Of course, we still don't know much - that's scamming 101 - but we do know some things.

For example, we can now see a funding breakdown of individual attendees.



We can see that 5 people have been "accepted" for a "free trip", which appear to be paid by the TFE guy that nobody has ever heard about. The TFE guy confirmed that, in Jeran's example, he'd be willing to cover all costs up to and exceeding $45k, including Jeran's clothes. Where did this money come from? Haha, don't ask silly questions, teehee! (We all know where it came from; cope and seethe)

What's more interesting is that 5 of the RE'ers have been openly crowd-funded. If we take a very conservative estimate of $160k (which would cover just the AL&E rates, ignoring all other costs), that's $160k that's been taken from YouTube RE fanatics for precisely nothing. If you feel ethically comfortable with this, well, that's on you. Now, imagine if someone looked into how much money actually went into these fundraisers. Gosh, wouldn't that be fun?!

[mahogany]

I kind of wish that this Flat Earther got an invitation to go to Antarctica to observe the 24 hours of sunlight.

[Longtitube]

It's been fascinating watching the footage from Antarctica: now that the trip has ended there should be more bandwidth-hungry content to enjoy or fulminate at. What's also fascinating is the reactions from both sides, globe and FE, to the expedition, to the videos, to the experiments, to the very idea of going to Antarctica for real. I was interested in Jeran's remarks in his last livestream before leaving for Punta Arenas to head home – he doesn't seem to have enjoyed Antarctica as a destination. There's an undeniable bit of homesickness too.

I've seen a lot in people's comments to gasp, shake head at or just laugh. This thread has its place in the panoply of reactions and opinions from all parties: not as funny as I've seen, not such full-strength seething and coping, and nowhere near as outlandish as some, but a fairly interesting sample all the same. It should be fun to watch what develops, here and elsewhere.