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What is your Political Party Preference?

Democratic (America)
7 (25.9%)
Republican (America)
0 (0%)
California Peace and Freedom (California)
0 (0%)
Green (America)
0 (0%)
Conservative (UK)
0 (0%)
Liberal Democrat (UK)
0 (0%)
Scottish Nationalist (Scotland)
0 (0%)
Socialist (America or UK)
0 (0%)
Communist (America or UK)
1 (3.7%)
UKIP (UK)
1 (3.7%)
Labour (UK)
1 (3.7%)
Pot Party (America) (No, I am NOT joking)  http://www.thepotparty.org
4 (14.8%)
Other
3 (11.1%)
NONE
7 (25.9%)
Libertarian (America)
3 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 21

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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2014, 07:25:34 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2014, 02:56:23 PM »
They have a common policy on the environment but their economic and social policies are completely independent. which of course they would need to be as not all countries are the same. The UK's particular brand of greens are totalitarians intent on banning all forms of individual expression and personal independence.

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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2014, 03:22:33 PM »
Really? They're one of the few UK parties advocating for an EU referendum (The only one who does so and also supports staying in.) They've called for MP recall if a petition of the constituency calls for it, they support the right to assisted suicide, raising the age of responsibility, giving young people a responsibility over a proportion of youth spending, restricting police stop and search powers, ensuring legal parity for parents.

We do call for higher taxes for high earners, increased taxes on environmentally damaging products, but reducing it on environmentally friendly ones.

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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2014, 03:45:13 PM »
Really? They're one of the few UK parties advocating for an EU referendum (The only one who does so and also supports staying in.) They've called for MP recall if a petition of the constituency calls for it, they support the right to assisted suicide, raising the age of responsibility, giving young people a responsibility over a proportion of youth spending, restricting police stop and search powers, ensuring legal parity for parents.

We do call for higher taxes for high earners, increased taxes on environmentally damaging products, but reducing it on environmentally friendly ones.

They also hate scientific progress.

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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2014, 08:38:12 PM »
They have a common policy on the environment but their economic and social policies are completely independent. which of course they would need to be as not all countries are the same. The UK's particular brand of greens are totalitarians intent on banning all forms of individual expression and personal independence.

Nope. I just had a glance through their rhetoric booklet and they look very similar to the Australian Greens.

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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2014, 03:12:14 PM »
Really? They're one of the few UK parties advocating for an EU referendum (The only one who does so and also supports staying in.) They've called for MP recall if a petition of the constituency calls for it, they support the right to assisted suicide, raising the age of responsibility, giving young people a responsibility over a proportion of youth spending, restricting police stop and search powers, ensuring legal parity for parents.

We do call for higher taxes for high earners, increased taxes on environmentally damaging products, but reducing it on environmentally friendly ones.

They also hate scientific progress.

Their anti-nuclear and and anti-GM crops policies are a bugbear of mine, and I voted to try to change their mind at conference, but it's rare to find a party that I agree so much with otherwise.

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2014, 03:36:12 PM »
Really? They're one of the few UK parties advocating for an EU referendum (The only one who does so and also supports staying in.) They've called for MP recall if a petition of the constituency calls for it, they support the right to assisted suicide, raising the age of responsibility, giving young people a responsibility over a proportion of youth spending, restricting police stop and search powers, ensuring legal parity for parents.

We do call for higher taxes for high earners, increased taxes on environmentally damaging products, but reducing it on environmentally friendly ones.

They also hate scientific progress.

Their anti-nuclear and and anti-GM crops policies are a bugbear of mine, and I voted to try to change their mind at conference, but it's rare to find a party that I agree so much with otherwise.

I honestly cannot support any politician who is anti-GMO. It betrays a complete ignorance that I can only assume translates to every important issue.
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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2014, 03:39:54 PM »
I honestly cannot support any politician who is anti-GMO. It betrays a complete ignorance that I can only assume translates to every important issue.

I don't think many people are against GMO as an objective modification of plants/animals. They are usually against GMO corporations that patent the hell out of everything and sue anyone else for even looking at their crops in an unauthorized manner. I personally don't think you should be able to patent food, especially when most of the new plant they made already existed in nature. Tweaking a few genomes hardly calls for a patent.
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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2014, 04:18:04 PM »
I honestly cannot support any politician who is anti-GMO. It betrays a complete ignorance that I can only assume translates to every important issue.

I don't think many people are against GMO as an objective modification of plants/animals. They are usually against GMO corporations that patent the hell out of everything and sue anyone else for even looking at their crops in an unauthorized manner. I personally don't think you should be able to patent food, especially when most of the new plant they made already existed in nature. Tweaking a few genomes hardly calls for a patent.

This.

They're worried about companies like Monsato trapping third-world farmers on dependence on their non-seeding fruits.

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Re: New Poll, where it can better be seen.
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2014, 07:33:47 PM »
I honestly cannot support any politician who is anti-GMO. It betrays a complete ignorance that I can only assume translates to every important issue.

I don't think many people are against GMO as an objective modification of plants/animals. They are usually against GMO corporations that patent the hell out of everything and sue anyone else for even looking at their crops in an unauthorized manner. I personally don't think you should be able to patent food, especially when most of the new plant they made already existed in nature. Tweaking a few genomes hardly calls for a patent.
I disagree.  I think people are too ignorant of what GMO is and consider it dangerous.  Like "Oh no, all our crops are GMO and they got a super bug that killed them all so now we'll die.  If only we had natural foods that wouldn't have died from this specific super virus".

Or they think "Man-made = mutations for humans!"

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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2014, 07:38:51 PM »
I disagree.  I think people are too ignorant of what GMO is and consider it dangerous.  Like "Oh no, all our crops are GMO and they got a super bug that killed them all so now we'll die.  If only we had natural foods that wouldn't have died from this specific super virus".

Or they think "Man-made = mutations for humans!"

Maybe the people who only hear GMO off-hand and don't actually do any political activity believe this, but the ones that actively push for various regulations tend to lean in the direction I described. If people feel strongly about something, they'll devote at least enough time to study it. If they come to the wrong conclusions, chances are they aren't too bright/motivated and thus won't do any damage anyway.

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2014, 07:43:27 PM »
Maybe it's different in the UK than it is in the US, but in my experience anti-GMO sentiment tends to be associated with obsession over organic food and belief in homeopathy or crystal healing. Anti-Monsanto and anti-GMO are two very different things. The first is completely right, the second is based on ignorance and anti-science.
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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2014, 07:48:43 PM »
What if the GMO plant DNA mutates my DNA and I grow a third arm? I don't think you're thinking through the dire consequences of GMO plants, Tausami.

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Re: Political party preferences poll
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2014, 07:50:45 PM »
What if the GMO plant DNA mutates my DNA and I grow a third arm? I don't think you're thinking through the dire consequences of GMO plants, Tausami.

Maybe you're right. I shouldn't judge so harshly.
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2014, 07:50:54 PM »
What if the GMO plant DNA mutates my DNA and I grow a third arm? I don't think you're thinking through the dire consequences of GMO plants, Tausami.

No you're thinking of MSG.

Re: Political party preferences poll
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2014, 12:28:14 AM »
If people feel strongly about something, they'll devote at least enough time to study it.