[markjo]

That's easy.  It's because, as so many FE'ers have shown time and time again, there is no evidence of curvature that you will accept.

I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking for proof. Not the same thing.

Okay then, what proof would you accept?

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Ok? I know that, but if the Earth is a ball then it must be physical, no?

No.

What do you think the horizon is, then?

I already told you.  The horizon is where the sky and earth appear to meet.  What do you think the horizon is?

[Dual1ty]

That's easy.  It's because, as so many FE'ers have shown time and time again, there is no evidence of curvature that you will accept.

I'm not asking for evidence, I'm asking for proof. Not the same thing.

Okay then, what proof would you accept?

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Ok? I know that, but if the Earth is a ball then it must be physical, no?

No.

What do you think the horizon is, then?

I already told you.  The horizon is where the sky and earth appear to meet.  What do you think the horizon is?

Ok lol. Yeah, I agree because it's true. 

[markjo]

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

Then I suggest you talk with a surveyor because they measure bits and pieces of the earth all the time and a few miles is far enough for them to need to account for the earth's curvature.

[Dual1ty]

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

Then I suggest you talk with a surveyor because they measure bits and pieces of the earth all the time and a few miles is far enough for them to need to account for the earth's curvature.

Do you not understand that a physical (tangible) measurement is not the same thing as an optical measurement?

[markjo]

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

Then I suggest you talk with a surveyor because they measure bits and pieces of the earth all the time and a few miles is far enough for them to need to account for the earth's curvature.

Do you not understand that a physical (tangible) measurement is not the same thing as an optical measurement?

How would you suggest that the curvature along several miles of the earth be physically measured?

[Dual1ty]

How would you suggest that the curvature along several miles of the earth be physically measured?

Well, I would say it's up to you (the globe cult) to figure out the details since you're the ones claiming that the curvature exists and the ones who have pretty much all the resources & money.

Or alternatively - oh well, you can keep not producing proof of curvature for all eternity for all I care.

[markjo]

How would you suggest that the curvature along several miles of the earth be physically measured?

Well, I would say it's up to you (the globe cult) to figure out the details since you're the ones claiming that the curvature exists and the ones who have pretty much all the resources & money.

Apparently none of the modern methods for measuring curvature are acceptable to you, so we seem to be at an impasse.

Or alternatively - oh well, you can keep not producing proof of curvature for all eternity for all I care.

If objects moving past and sinking below the horizon, satellite imagery or any of the other evidence posted isn't enough proof of curvature for you, then I don't know what is. 

[Pete Svarrior]

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Damn, RE light now exists outside of the realm of physics. And you say we're the ones with strange ideas about light.

[markjo]

By the way, the horizon really isn't a physical thing.

Damn, RE light now exists outside of the realm of physics.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't say resembling that.

And you say we're the ones with strange ideas about light.

Do you have anything to add to the discussion or should I report you for low content posting?

[Pete Svarrior]

I'm not sure where you got that from, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't say resembling that.

Of course you did, and I helpfully quoted you saying it. Of course, it's possible that you have a perfectly good explanation for a metaphysical horizon, but so far you chose not to provide it.

should I report you for low content posting?

I would sincerely advise against you trying to troll via the mod report function. You already have a track record of doing that.

[Action80]

Nah, I don't buy it. A conspiracy spanning centuries with no genuine motive in sight just isn't feasible to me, and I'd need more evidence than the fact that a number of these historical astronomers were members of a silly club to convince me otherwise.

What are you talking about? Are you saying that you think heliocentrism is just a coincidence and there is no organized conspiracy associated with it?

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

[Dual1ty]

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

When you're part of a conspiracy, you know that you're selling BS to people.

It's not about Freemasonry as a whole. It never was and it never will be. I can count the Freemasons that "went to the Moon" with my fingers. But they were there... in the hangar faking it lol.

[AATW]

A physical measurement of the ball would be swell. No need to measure the whole ball, a few miles would be enough.

I have literally no idea what you mean by that. You understand that the earth isn't a perfect sphere, right?
So what would a few miles of "physical measurement of the ball" involve and what would it demonstrate?

[Action80]

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

When you're part of a conspiracy, you know that you're selling BS to people.

It's not about Freemasonry as a whole. It never was and it never will be. I can count the Freemasons that "went to the Moon" with my fingers. But they were there... in the hangar faking it lol.

The "Moon landing," was definitely bullshit of course. But that has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

[Dual1ty]

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

When you're part of a conspiracy, you know that you're selling BS to people.

It's not about Freemasonry as a whole. It never was and it never will be. I can count the Freemasons that "went to the Moon" with my fingers. But they were there... in the hangar faking it lol.

The "Moon landing," was definitely bullshit of course. But that has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Yes it does.

If you meant "prior knowledge of the shape of the Earth is not necessary to fake a Moon landing", then sure. They're just working from an authoritative model of the "Solar System" that someone knows is BS but they still push it. But it doesn't really matter who it is. At the end of the day Freemasonry is just a network of people ready to do dirt for their "brothers". Plain and simple.

[Action80]

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

When you're part of a conspiracy, you know that you're selling BS to people.

It's not about Freemasonry as a whole. It never was and it never will be. I can count the Freemasons that "went to the Moon" with my fingers. But they were there... in the hangar faking it lol.

The "Moon landing," was definitely bullshit of course. But that has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Yes it does.

If you meant "prior knowledge of the shape of the Earth is not necessary to fake a Moon landing", then sure. They're just working from a model of the "Solar System" that someone knows is BS. But it doesn't really matter who it is. At the end of the day Freemasonry is just a network of people ready to do dirt for their "brothers". Plain and simple.

Well, I certainly do not and will not do dirt for any "brother." And again, the moon landing was bullshit. And I guess, all the reporting did present a heliocentric viewpoint...

[Dual1ty]

Well, I certainly do not and will not do dirt for any "brother." And again, the moon landing was bullshit. And I guess, all the reporting did present a heliocentric viewpoint...

Good for you. There are good and bad Freemasons. Just like there are good and bad people. It's really not hard at all to understand.

But knowing what I know now about how certain groups operate, I wouldn't be surprised if they could force you to do dirt, if you have a family they can threaten.

[Realestfake]

Freemasonry isn't behind any heliocentric worldview. Masons always meet on the level.

When you're part of a conspiracy, you know that you're selling BS to people.

It's not about Freemasonry as a whole. It never was and it never will be. I can count the Freemasons that "went to the Moon" with my fingers. But they were there... in the hangar faking it lol.

The "Moon landing," was definitely bullshit of course. But that has nothing to do with the shape of the earth.

Proof?

[Action80]

Proof?

Still struggling with basic terminology, I see.

[Action80]

Well, I certainly do not and will not do dirt for any "brother." And again, the moon landing was bullshit. And I guess, all the reporting did present a heliocentric viewpoint...

Good for you. There are good and bad Freemasons. Just like there are good and bad people. It's really not hard at all to understand.

But knowing what I know now about how certain groups operate, I wouldn't be surprised if they could force you to do dirt, if you have a family they can threaten.

Masons do not go around threatening peoples' families.

Think about your basic argumentation here:

1) Masons do dirt for each other, meaning they help each other; and,
B) Masons are gonna kill their brothers if they don't do the dirt.

Sorry, those things just don't line up. Lots and lots of dissonance in the tune your singing there....