Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2022, 09:04:17 PM »
So, surprise, surprise; we're back to the "faked photo" response. 

Any comment on Pongo's dirisible dirigible, Pete?

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2022, 09:47:26 PM »
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Prove it.

It can’t be proved, or at least not with the resources at our immediate disposal, as I’m sure you know.

However, if you, and the other FEers, were really as curious about the world as you claim to be, you could very easily try something similar yourselves, and see if it works.

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2022, 10:02:52 PM »
With Scott Ferguson's observation, specialized software wasn't used to "see" the ISS. It was used to predict the position of the ISS.
Prove it.


Why are you asking me to prove it if I sent you that specific proof a couple of days ago?

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2022, 10:13:43 PM »
So, surprise, surprise; we're back to the "faked photo" response.
I said nothing of the sort. I simply asked you to prove your assertion. Surely you didn't state something with such great confidence if you didn't have proof?
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2022, 12:30:27 AM »
I can use specialised software to see much more than a magical space station. Be bold, name what you'd like to see. Specialised software will sort it out.

Can you show me some Moon Shrimp?

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2022, 12:50:18 AM »
With Scott Ferguson's observation, specialized software wasn't used to "see" the ISS. It was used to predict the position of the ISS.
Prove it.

https://transit-finder.com/

I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.

If you don't want to take my word for it, you can try it out yourself. The software is free and you can get a small telescope and cell phone adapter for $50 to get a moon transit shot.

The software doesn't have anything to do with the picture itself, you use your own camera for that.

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2022, 01:34:03 AM »
Regardless of the shape of the earth, at ground level to chase the sun one full revolution you’d have to be traveling at approximately 1000 MPH for 24 hours. Doable for let’s say some hi-tech blimp I suppose. But now you have to do the same thing in just an hour and a half. On land, to make one full revolution in 90 minutes, you’d have to be going something like 16x faster, or around 16,000 MPH. Rise in altitude, farther to travel, more speed required. Let me know if my math is wrong.

Well, I am still researching this so I didn't want to prematurely mention it, but I suspect that there are multiple dirigibles. As they move around some can "go dark" and not be visible. The "space station" is not always visible. Even round-earthers agree that you can't see it in day time. Plus there is no need to fly the dirigibles on cloudy nights. So with only a few windows of opportunity (night time, clear skies, outside of a high-light metropolitan area) mixed with having the right equipment to even see the dirigible there are only a handful of people at any given time who can confirm its existence. This severely limits the times and places where the dirigible needs to appear and with multiple dirigibles the illusion can be easily achieved.

On top of all that, if anyone here were to get the proper equipment, go out into a desolate field on a clear night and look for the "space station" and fail to find it? You would 100% chalk it up to user error. Tell me you wouldn't.


With respect to your theory of multiple ISS dirigibles and your research that you are currently doing to look into this further, was curious to know of the specific research you are doing.

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2022, 08:20:16 AM »
I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.
You misunderstood my point slightly. My contention with stack is that he goes out of his way to Google for images that support his assumptions and posts them as if they were authoritative evidence.

The answer here isn't for me to do his work for him. That just lets him carry on being an intellectual slob.
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2022, 01:01:14 PM »
I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.
You misunderstood my point slightly. My contention with stack is that he goes out of his way to Google for images that support his assumptions and posts them as if they were authoritative evidence.

The answer here isn't for me to do his work for him. That just lets him carry on being an intellectual slob.

I would guess that Stack evaluates the images he posts the same way anyone researching would.  He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found, it was from a well known and respected source, one that matched hundreds of other images and sources, the software mentioned he could evaluate himself, and likely match his own observations and make new ones.

Simply asking "Prove it" is unhelpful as you could reply with that to any post on any subject, and repeat endlessly for any answer given.  After all it's impossible to prove anything, except when using pure formal logic such as math.

If you have a doubt about the authenticity of his image, perhaps you could elaborate on your reasons and evidence instead.

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2022, 02:38:30 PM »
Saying ‘prove it’ is a totally disingenuous answer because there are no stated ‘proof’ standards.  How can someone prove something without having acceptable procedures or standards?  Start with clearly defined standards in advance, then design a carefully documented experiment to lead the observers to a logical conclusion.  All the flat earth community would have to do is come up with VERIFIBLE alternatives in response to the round earth extensively verified observations. 
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #70 on: April 23, 2022, 03:36:19 PM »
I have used this specialized software and taken my own pictures of the ISS on many occasions on multiple continents.
You misunderstood my point slightly. My contention with stack is that he goes out of his way to Google for images that support his assumptions and posts them as if they were authoritative evidence.

Kinda sounds like you're describing the wiki.

The answer here isn't for me to do his work for him. That just lets him carry on being an intellectual slob.

What sort of "proof" are you looking for? A sworn affidavit from Scott Ferguson?

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #71 on: April 23, 2022, 09:08:23 PM »
He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found
But he did exactly that. He posted an image with no source (other than imgur, I guess) and made a bunch of empty assertions about it. That you mistake these assertions for a citation is very telling.

the software mentioned he could evaluate himself, and likely match his own observations and make new ones.
Excellent standards of inquiry, I'm impressed. You personally think that something is "likely", therefore it no longer merits scrutiny.

After all it's impossible to prove anything, except when using pure formal logic such as math.
But of course! Nothing is provable, nothing ever requires evidence! We should just state any old shit as fact and demand that others accept it, that'll get us places!

You don't think before you speak, do you?

Kinda sounds like you're describing the wiki.
You will stop shitposting in the upper fora, with immediate effect. The only question is whether you will do so by choice.

What sort of "proof" are you looking for?
My brother in Christ, this is literally your argument. It's up to you to evidence it, not me.
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #72 on: April 23, 2022, 11:39:29 PM »
He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found
But he did exactly that. He posted an image with no source (other than imgur, I guess) and made a bunch of empty assertions about it. That you mistake these assertions for a citation is very telling.

Yes, very sloppy of me, I should have cited the image. Here's the proof, evidence I think you're looking for, from Discovery Magazine:

ISS and Atlantis seen in broad daylight!

This is pretty amazing: on Sunday, July 17, amateur astronomer Scott Ferguson was able to get video of the Orbiter Atlantis docked to the International Space Station when they passed overhead in broad daylight!

The still I posted was a screengrab from Mr. Ferguson's video:



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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2022, 08:05:29 AM »
Here's the proof, evidence I think you're looking for, from Discovery Magazine
Yup, that's much better.
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #74 on: April 30, 2022, 01:44:56 PM »
While we are here, the first fully private trip to the ISS has just returned home.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10750677/First-space-tourists-visit-ISS-heading-home-bad-weather-delayed-return-journey.html

Another avenue for investigation
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #75 on: August 19, 2022, 09:55:27 AM »
Tom: "Claiming incredulity is a pretty bad argument. Calling it "insane" or "ridiculous" is not a good argument at all."

TFES Wiki Occam's Razor page, by Tom: "What's the simplest explanation; that NASA has successfully designed and invented never before seen rocket technologies from scratch which can accelerate 100 tons of matter to an escape velocity of 7 miles per second"

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2022, 04:22:27 PM »
He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found
But he did exactly that. He posted an image with no source (other than imgur, I guess) and made a bunch of empty assertions about it. That you mistake these assertions for a citation is very telling.

Yes, very sloppy of me, I should have cited the image. Here's the proof, evidence I think you're looking for, from Discovery Magazine:

ISS and Atlantis seen in broad daylight!

This is pretty amazing: on Sunday, July 17, amateur astronomer Scott Ferguson was able to get video of the Orbiter Atlantis docked to the International Space Station when they passed overhead in broad daylight!

The still I posted was a screengrab from Mr. Ferguson's video:



You really shouldn't post up stuff like that. Soooo photo shop BS
What kind of person would devote endless hours posting scientific facts trying to correct the few retards who believe in the FE? I slay shitty little demons.

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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #77 on: September 21, 2022, 04:35:17 PM »
photo shop BS

How did you establish that?
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Re: ISS Photo From The Ground
« Reply #78 on: September 21, 2022, 07:08:20 PM »
He didn't just post a random uncredited picture he found
But he did exactly that. He posted an image with no source (other than imgur, I guess) and made a bunch of empty assertions about it. That you mistake these assertions for a citation is very telling.

Yes, very sloppy of me, I should have cited the image. Here's the proof, evidence I think you're looking for, from Discovery Magazine:

ISS and Atlantis seen in broad daylight!

This is pretty amazing: on Sunday, July 17, amateur astronomer Scott Ferguson was able to get video of the Orbiter Atlantis docked to the International Space Station when they passed overhead in broad daylight!

The still I posted was a screengrab from Mr. Ferguson's video:



You really shouldn't post up stuff like that. Soooo photo shop BS

Anybody who is anyone would know that you wouldn't use photoshop to fake that video. More like AE.