[markjo]

Missy is Clara. I'm calling it now.

Incorrect.

[Ghost of V]

Yeah yeah. Don't rub it in. Moffat tricked me.

Anyways, great episode. The Missy reveal was excellent, but raises a few questions that will hopefully be answered in the next episode.

In the Forest of the Night's "next time" was obviously some sort of bait n switch tactic. It clearly made Clara look like the enemy. While she wasn't quite the enemy this episode, she did pull some BS on The Doctor (even if it was in a dream state) that will certainly put some serious strain on their relationship. Looks like we will be saying goodbye to Clara this season (although it will probably be the Christmas episode when we see the last of her), that is if the rumors of her departure are true. I'm sure the opening of this episode has something to do with it as well, but clearly my track record is not impressive here.


Dark Water is probably the best episode of season 8, at least in my opinion. I haven't been this hyped for a Doctor Who finale since The Pandorica Opens. It makes up for some of the dull episodes we've been seeing.

[Ghost Spaghetti]

In a way, I'm disappointed that all of the 'Nethersphere and the creepy watery mausoleum was just a cyberman front, I was really enjoying the creepy 'death is only the beginning' vibe. Especially the Three Words, after seeing my uncle cremated about a month ago, it sent a shiver down my spine.

That said, this was a great episode which is shaping up to cap off a great season of Who. It's had its duff episodes and weak moments (want to scrub 'Robot of Sherwood' from my mind.) but it's had some funny moments, creepy, original stories, some moments of great acting, and a calmer, more grounded Doctor.

bring on 'A Death in Heaven.' (Which is something I rarely say about NuWho's season finales.)

[Ghost of V]

Peter Capaldi just made a video in character for a young autistic kid who just lost his nanny.



Pretty cool.

[Ghost of V]

Season finale tonight!!!

Lord Dave, you need to catch up! 

[Lord Dave]

Season finale tonight!!!

Lord Dave, you need to catch up! 

I'll watch it when it comes out on netflix.  I'm too damn tired at 9pm.

[markjo]

Season finale tonight!!!

Lord Dave, you need to catch up! 

I'll watch it when it comes out on netflix.  I'm too damn tired at 9pm.

lrn2dvr

[Ghost of V]

Clara's gun die. Calling it

Although this would make Clara's time traveling relatives in Listen a paradox, but I'm willing to risk it. Why else would it be called Death in Heaven?

[Lord Dave]

Season finale tonight!!!

Lord Dave, you need to catch up! 

I'll watch it when it comes out on netflix.  I'm too damn tired at 9pm.

lrn2dvr

I don't have cable TV so... that doesn't apply.

[Ghost of V]

Clara's gun die. Calling it

I was wrong again. GDI

[markjo]

Clara's gun die. Calling it

I was wrong again. GDI

At least you're consistent.

[Ghost of V]

I have some serious complaints about Death in Heaven. I don't feel like typing it all up now, but they are coming soon.

[markjo]

I have some serious complaints about Death in Heaven.

BAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW!!!

ftfy

[Ghost Spaghetti]

Finally, an enjoyable season finale and a comforting step back from "I'M GONNA DESTROY EVERY UNIVERSE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!"

[Ghost of V]

Finally, an enjoyable season finale and a comforting step back from "I'M GONNA DESTROY EVERY UNIVERSE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!"

That was refreshing, but Missy thinking that The Doctor would take an army of dead humans and conquer the universe with them was moronic. I thought she knew him better than that. What was her end-game here? I understand she set up The Doctor's and Clara's relationship to save Gallifrey and by extension: save herself. But what about after that? What was the point of all this? She kills Osgood after The Doctor offers her companionship, then practically begs The Doctor to work by her side to conquer the universe? Fuckin'stupid. I felt the entire episode was anti-climatic because everything was so sudden. I understand that death is sudden, but that's no excuse for sloppy writing. Nothing was accomplished. Gallifrey is still lost. Danny is still dead (*thumbs up*). Clara and The Doctor are done. Missy was presumably teleported somewhere. But I still feel like nothing happened.

[markjo]

Finally, an enjoyable season finale and a comforting step back from "I'M GONNA DESTROY EVERY UNIVERSE! BWAHAHAHAHAHAA!!"

That was refreshing, but Missy thinking that The Doctor would take an army of dead humans and conquer the universe with them was moronic. I thought she knew him better than that.

Not conquer the universe, fix the universe, as he is so wont to do.

What was her end-game here?

Have you ever heard the saying "Power corrupts; absolute power sounds kinda neat"?  Obviously she was tempting the Doctor to see if he would fall into the same trap that so many other do gooders fall into.

Clara and The Doctor are done. Missy was presumably teleported somewhere.

No, Missy was presumably disintegrated by the Brigadier.  Whether or not she actually teleported, or still exists in some other timeline, is yet to be determined.

[Ghost of V]

What does Missy care about fixing the universe? And in response to your second response:

I thought she knew him better than that.

Missy's 'plan' was weak (and ended in a deus ex machina), and it felt like Moffat made up the conflict at the last minute because he wanted to add Missy somehow to shock the fans with a female Master. Moffat has also stated that we haven't seen the end of Missy, so she's not dead if Moffat is telling the truth (salt). Every time we saw someone die it was with an orangish hue, but Missy was vaporized with a bluish-hue (which we see earlier in the episode when people teleport).

The whole "cyber pollen" in the rain thing did not make any sense to me. I know this is Doctor Who, and it's Science-Fantasy... but usually the writers tried to make a bit of sense with their 'science', especially with finales. My biggest question: how were skeletons turned into Cyberman? Where did they get the metal? Wtf is going on?

[Ghost Spaghetti]

usually the writers tried to make a bit of sense with their 'science'

The universe is falling through a crack in time which is making the stars go out. but that's ok, because the Doctor can 're-boot' the universe by flying a box of magical immortality light into the perpetually exploding heart of a dying time machine.

The Daleks have stolen a number of planets to make an 'alignment' which will activate a 'reality bomb which will explode everywhere at all times but it's ok because the Doctor can tow the Earth back into place without any negative effects.

Dat's science right dere.

[Ghost of V]

usually the writers tried to make a bit of sense with their 'science'

The universe is falling through a crack in time which is making the stars go out. but that's ok, because the Doctor can 're-boot' the universe by flying a box of magical immortality light into the perpetually exploding heart of a dying time machine.

The Daleks have stolen a number of planets to make an 'alignment' which will activate a 'reality bomb which will explode everywhere at all times but it's ok because the Doctor can tow the Earth back into place without any negative effects.

Dat's science right dere.

'Science' is different than science. And like I said, Doctor Who is science-fantasy. I'm fully aware of how ridiculous some of the stuff in DW is. Believe me. But rain turning people into robots, without any source of metal is way over the top. They didn't even bother to explain it any more than "oh shit cyber pollen!" because they knew it was ridiculous. Dead people turning into robots, good concept, but maybe they should have thought about the execution a bit before airing something that makes absolutely no sense. This is just a small nitpick, and I'm sure you can rationalize it however you want. I just feel like this episode was significantly worse than Dark Water. Dark Water was building up to something great, but Moffat did not deliver.

I did enjoy the episode, and it was easily better than the last two season finales if only for the scene where The Doctor smashes up the TARDIS.

[Ghost Spaghetti]

I don't see how cyber-rain is any less believable than magic universe-curing box, but whatever.