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« on: January 15, 2019, 08:57:07 PM »
Hi, so yep I’m new.
I have many questions, but what do you think of this latest news?

https://apple.news/ALQxxteJ5R3iXoCTALgwgXQ

Just wanting to hear other people’s thoughts and theories.

Emma.

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Re: Newbie
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2019, 04:31:22 AM »
I'd have no reason to doubt their success.  It's just the moon, and not a trip to the heliopause.  I don't see why there would be any need to fake it.  As for the image that has the giant white line - I'd imagine that anyone sending out fake footage of a moon landing would make sure it's as convincing as possible before releasing it.  It would seem counter intuitive to spend all that time making a convincing video only to screw up on the photo with an obvious mistake that everyone can see plainly.

So, I don't think it's faked.  I also believe that there's no space travel conspiracy, and that the Earth, Sun, Moon, and other planets in our solar system are spheroid in nature.
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Re: Newbie
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2019, 11:20:14 PM »
There is plenty of discussion on this topic. Search YouTube for some opinions on the matter.

« Last Edit: January 16, 2019, 11:44:39 PM by Tom Bishop »

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Re: Newbie
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2019, 07:34:42 AM »
After the three minute mark, that video descends into the standard "NASA lies" drivel.

The Chinese lander is on the far side, which would normally preclude radio transmission, so it is relaying signals via a satellite which is in a "halo orbit" around the far side, which has direct line of sight to Earth at all times.

It strikes me that any radio amateur could verify the presence or absence of the Chinese craft by pointing a large enough aerial at the Moon, and scanning for systematic transmissions. Any regular signal would seem to conclusively indicate a man-made presence.

Sort of like the YouTube amateurs who downloaded data themselves from various weather satellites, but at greater distance.
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Re: Newbie
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2019, 09:12:19 PM »
There is plenty of discussion on this topic. Search YouTube for some opinions on the matter.



Another misguided loon who uses the Bible as his basis for scientific fact. Solid evidence there.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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Re: Newbie
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2019, 10:01:05 PM »
Another misguided loon who uses the Bible as his basis for scientific fact. Solid evidence there.

Can you show us where you have debunked every point and clip used in the video?

Unless you've debunked all evidence it remains as evidence.

Re: Newbie
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2019, 10:07:49 PM »
Another misguided loon who uses the Bible as his basis for scientific fact. Solid evidence there.

Can you show us where you have debunked every point and clip used in the video?

Unless you've debunked all evidence it remains as evidence.
I’ll bear that mind next time you dismiss videos which show FE to be wrong.
Like all videos of this kind, it’s supposition rather than evidence but your confirmation bias is going into overdrive.
What I always find puzzling is you simultaneously think space agencies have the budget to fake space travel and yet do it so badly that people with no training in image/video analysis can easily spot the errors.

Obviously the fact those people have a FE/conspiracy agenda is purely coincidental...
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2019, 11:54:54 PM »
What I always find puzzling is you simultaneously think space agencies have the budget to fake space travel and yet do it so badly that people with no training in image/video analysis can easily spot the errors.

And the evidence is in the video and others like it. When you have a better rebuttal than name calling let us know.

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2019, 12:28:16 AM »
Can you show us where you have debunked every point and clip used in the video?

Pick what you think is the best point that it makes, if you have watched it. 

I don't see what looping a fraction of a second of an ISS astronaut's hand movement is meant to show, out of context. Perhaps you have a view on what it shows?
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Re: Newbie
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2019, 01:26:22 AM »
Another misguided loon who uses the Bible as his basis for scientific fact. Solid evidence there.

Can you show us where you have debunked every point and clip used in the video?

Unless you've debunked all evidence it remains as evidence.
Well, for starters the guy who made it has a religious agenda so already he has a reason to go out of his way to try "prove" NASA faked stuff. But I'll ignore the fact that he's quite clearly extremely religious for this.

As for debunking, he shows jpeg pictures with levels turned way up, sees artefacts and that's proof the image is edited? Come on, we all know what a jpeg does to the quality of an image. I happen to have nearly 2 decades of experience using photoshop and I can tell you now if I wanted to fake an earth in a shot from the surface of the moon I could do it without leaving any evidence of tampering, so low quality jpegs aren't proof of anything. The only ones I could see were actually photoshopped have no source, whats to stop some flat earther editing a photo themselves and then making a video about an "obviously edited image from nasa"?

Also the video is misleadingly showing astronauts in training pools, we know they use pools to train in, it's not evidence of any fakery.

And then we have the claims of "harnesses and green screens" on the ISS as well as "bubbles in space". For starters I see no harnesses, point out exactly where you see one because these videos seem to zoom in and circle...nothing.. then claim it's a harness for some reason. And it's safe to assume videos get edited, so when you see someone fade in to view, thats probably because the video was been cut and faded in. What does this prove other than the videos are being trimmed or whatever? Like I wanna look at a blank scene for 15 minutes before the astronauts show up to do whatever it is they're supposed to be doing. Some of the 'transparent' body parts being shown in that video are seemingly just lighting as well. Like the bald astronauts head as he passes close to the ceiling. His head doesn't fade away the lighting changes because ambient occlusion and shadowing. And then he shows scenes from movies or something where people are wearing harnesses to do backflips and such. Cool, but they arent astronauts they are filming movies. You know who else can do flips in mid air? Anyone in zero g conditions.

And the 'bubbles in space' thing is getting old, they could be anything from water droplets to random bits and bobs bouncing around in zero g. They do have water up there for drinking and cleaning etc and the water does form droplets that float around.

The video goes on for a while repeating astronauts random movements. for some reason as if that somehow drives home his point. Cool, a guy looked to the side, it was strange sure but what's that proving? A guy hit a random floating object with his hand, cool, whats that proving?

Let's give a random example. If you're filming a casual walk outside while you're on holiday with a buddy and your friend suddenly trips up, does that immediately mean the holiday is fake? he must have tripped on a wire used to hold up the studio set dressing, it's so obvious! Sometimes I stub my toe on a doorframe as I'm walking through. Must have been my harness getting lose and making me lose balance of course!

At any rate, if you're scrutinising a video with the intentions of looking for anything that could be dubious then chances are you're going to see whatever you want to see. An example of this is people who are scared of dogs. Do you think they pay attention to dogs being cute? Do you think cute dog moments stick in their mind or do you think the only thing they would pay attention to and remember is if they see a dog snarl or bite. In their minds, they only ever see dogs as scary, vicious creatures and they completely ignore the fact that dogs are also loving companions to humans. Funny what the human mind wants to see, right?

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Re: Newbie
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2019, 07:19:34 AM »
There is plenty of discussion on this topic. Search YouTube for some opinions on the matter.



This is not the only video linking satanic symbolism to NASA. Check out these too:






Re: Newbie
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2019, 10:04:46 AM »
if you're scrutinising a video with the intentions of looking for anything that could be dubious then chances are you're going to see whatever you want to see.
What you have described in a lot of your post is confirmation bias, a well known phenomenon which Tom et al are extremely prone to but don't realise they are even when it's pointed out to them.
If you are making your claim without evidence then we can discard it without evidence.

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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2019, 12:46:00 AM »
if you're scrutinising a video with the intentions of looking for anything that could be dubious then chances are you're going to see whatever you want to see.
What you have described in a lot of your post is confirmation bias, a well known phenomenon which Tom et al are extremely prone to but don't realise they are even when it's pointed out to them.

You know better. Keep it in CN/AR. Warned.
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